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[gimmethegepgun]

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

From the character information on the demolisher and i quote

"The demolisher uses grenades to attack at range and to terrorize the battlefield. Demolishers can also create a supply pylon that stocks ALLIES with an unending reserve of grenades and thermal reloads."

Yes you need grenades too but its in your description that you supply your team with them as well dont like it then dont play the class or stay playing solo

Yes, because flavor text irrevocably defines a class.

[Baerdface]

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

From the character information on the demolisher and i quote

"The demolisher uses grenades to attack at range and to terrorize the battlefield. Demolishers can also create a supply pylon that stocks ALLIES with an unending reserve of grenades and thermal reloads."

Yes you need grenades too but its in your description that you supply your team with them as well dont like it then dont play the class or stay playing solo

Wait, so if I can do a lot more damage than anyone else on the team by keeping the nades for myself, why should I play another class? How is it exactly bad for the team?

A char that can infinitely spam amazing damage dealing grenades while giving teammates extra ammo and weapon/shield boost is a char that I would have no problem with on my team.

All chars have different builds and playstyles, description means nothing.

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[InvincibleHero]

Pyro666999 wrote...

Also, for the info of everyone the damage is applied EQUALY wheather or not the Demolsiher or someone else throws the frickin granade. It does not matter, however the granads can be taken away from the demolsiher and used somwhere else, also the Demolisher can re-build the Pylon reall fast and get a new bunch of granades!

Except on gold and plat it is often risky to redeploy because you stand still for a few seconds to do so. People need to use their own grenades with restraint and get their own source.

If you are mobile (I do this with any class) I stop by ammo crates when I am near and it is safe to do so. You don't need to throw all your grenades to just kill everything near to hey look I leet I number 1 in score now give me more. I use guns powers and grenades to kill things. If you're dumping over a dozen every round you're spamming just for score. Remember need not greed.

Honestly people expect other gamers to let them score higher by using all the grenades. Nuking spawn points doesn't make you a great player in fact the opposite. It is a weak strategy done to advance one player over the team.

[DarkSolarcrest]

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

[Pyro666999]

gimmethegepgun wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

Also, for the info of everyone the damage is applied EQUALY wheather or not the Demolsiher or someone else throws the frickin granade. It does not matter, however the granads can be taken away from the demolsiher and used somwhere else, also the Demolisher can re-build the Pylon reall fast and get a new bunch of granades!

The Demolisher is better with those grenades than almost every other class is.
Both are very long range (unlike MultiFrags and to a lesser extent Clusters), both are very powerful, they can be used together for TBs, making them even more powerful, and he has 1 for shields 1 for armor.
Your grenades won't be as useful.

Oh, and if you're moving around a lot more, chances are you'll be stopping by some ammo boxes.
Use those.

How exactly did you manage to come to the conclusion that all grenades are equal? I'd really like to know that.

I'm not saying that nades are all equal, but I prefer to see a teammate with two granades, than me with 6 instead of 4 granades. If done right, you can spam granades, without ever falling bellow 8-9 granades, which means you can easily spare two or even four granades to your teammates. Also when a really bad wave comes, you can alway resupply all of your granades with the termal clip pack. 

The point of granades, besides the dmg. delaing is the fact that they can be used in risky situations as sort of a emergancy button. And it's better for your teammate and you if he has the option to use it.

Also, since all of this is written with platinum in mind, it is sometimes very risky for your teammate to get out of cover to get granades, you beeing there helping with that, shields, weapon dmg., nades, ammo is a HUGE help to the fella.

I honestly feel usless playing Demolisher, while beeing the only class using granades, I literally have more granades than I need -..- 
Thre is no point, in throwing Arc granades if you've already taken down the enemy's shields, and there is no point of using Homing granads, unless you need to kill bosses quickly, and until the bosess stay at long range it is much more efficient ot strip their shields, use 1 Homing granade for ovr time dammage, and shoot at it, therfore making the most out of the Homing granades, generally leaving you with extra granades, and a really high score-..- That's the generally principle, it dosen't always work like that but, most every scenaryo, fits inside the generall parameters of this tactic.

[your-friendly-noggin]

Baerdface wrote...

Before Demolisher came out people didn't seem to care about grenades that much at all.Now suddenly it's a big deal. How on earth did you guys even survive without the pylon since March? Holy s***. If you haven't noticed, there are things called "AMMO BOXES" all around the map. Hello? If any other character is on the team nobody demands anything from him, just to carry his own weight and shoot faces. When a demolisher joins, suddenly he's everyones property. How about no. If a demolisher decides he wants to share grenades and it fits his playstyle, so be it. If he wants to maximize his damage output and keep the nades for himself, you should respect that, the same way you'd respect Asari Justicar speccing bubble into Warp.

Geez.

The thing is that no one is asking the demolishers to give up everything, they are of course the priority, but not letting anyone have any ammo or grenades from the pylon is just selfish.

Yes there are ammo boxes but apart from maybe 1 or 2 of them they are all out in the open, requiring some risk to get to them, whereas the pylon can comfortably supply two people at a time. I've played with many people who set their pylons down in a safe area and the whole team can pop over and resupply without getting their heads shot off in the open.

[Pyro666999]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

Also, for the info of everyone the damage is applied EQUALY wheather or not the Demolsiher or someone else throws the frickin granade. It does not matter, however the granads can be taken away from the demolsiher and used somwhere else, also the Demolisher can re-build the Pylon reall fast and get a new bunch of granades!

Except on gold and plat it is often risky to redeploy because you stand still for a few seconds to do so. People need to use their own grenades with restraint and get their own source.

If you are mobile (I do this with any class) I stop by ammo crates when I am near and it is safe to do so. You don't need to throw all your grenades to just kill everything near to hey look I leet I number 1 in score now give me more. I use guns powers and grenades to kill things. If you're dumping over a dozen every round you're spamming just for score. Remember need not greed.

Honestly people expect other gamers to let them score higher by using all the grenades. Nuking spawn points doesn't make you a great player in fact the opposite. It is a weak strategy done to advance one player over the team.

I only play Gold/ Plat, check my manifest, I know how to play, better than you I dare say.


And, no, it's not to risky, you throw an Arc, granade, everythign is stunned, you remake the pylon, get two granades+ammo, shoot at everyhting you've stunned before, use a granade, re-make the pylon, and WHOLA youre 1 granade up in this exschange, and you've used two granades! Time to move to the teammates, and let the have a nade or two.

Also don't forget, your Nades, do dmg over time, so don't waste granades on things that are already taking dmg, wait for a new wave, or until the effect ends, or if they get too close use the nades again, but don't just throw them at everything. 

Modifié par Pyro666999, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:55 .

[Parallax Demon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how being a support class = not allowed to get kills

...by some peoples standards.

The next time I play on Gold, I'll just place a Pylon and get into cover. Apparantly that's Demolisher is supposed to do according to all the smart remarks.

[Baerdface]

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:58 .

[Pyro666999]

Baerdface wrote...

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

GI

[InvincibleHero]

Pyro666999 wrote...

I only play Gold/ Plat, check my manifest, I know how to play, better than you I dare say.

Wow that's your proof. The manifest just means you put lots of time and or money into maxing out ultra rares if obtained legitmately. it says nothing of player skill and strategy. I am not going to claim I am better than you because that is fallacious without first habnd experience.

Placing the pylon can mean instant down and that's a fact. Prime burst you are done a hunter sneaks on you bye bye. A phantom will give you a sword to the gut and so on. It is not an easy thing.

Also one other point is time spent deploying is time the demolisher player could be putting out DPS to help the team. So yes it is a fail strategy that should only be done to resupply the demolisher player at their choice. It isn't let everyone take and you twiddle your thumbs and risk going down while everyone else whoops it up with grenades and tops 100K.

[Baerdface]

Pyro666999 wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

*easy mode class that doesnt even need grenades therefore the argument remains invalid*

Of course

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[Bolo Xia]

Pyro666999 wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

GI

so tell us, how does a demolisher hogging their own grenades affect your GI that does not have grenades?

maybe im confused here, but are you saying demolishers should not pick up grenades and let them disappear when you are around on your GI?

edit add:
forgot to ask but how is a GI less of a solo'er than a demolisher?

Modifié par Bolo Xia, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:08 .

[AmicusHumaniGeneris]

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

I don't usually play grenade classes, but if people like you who are so afraid to be outscored that they want to hog the main weapon of the Demolishers in my lobby, please get out. I don't play with game breakers who blatantly sacrifice the overall team performance just to score. They may not be doing more damage than you with 'nades, but they sure as **** does way less than they should without them. Most likely, they're stuck with no ranged attack at all since the favourite Demolisher gun looks to be the Piranha. For other classes, grenade powers are secondary weapons, and you should be able to do a lot of damage using your primaries without sacrificing other's efficiency.

[Pyro666999]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

I only play Gold/ Plat, check my manifest, I know how to play, better than you I dare say.

Wow that's your proof. The manifest just means you put lots of time and or money into maxing out ultra rares if obtained legitmately. it says nothing of player skill and strategy. I am not going to claim I am better than you because that is fallacious without first habnd experience.

Placing the pylon can mean instant down and that's a fact. Prime burst you are done a hunter sneaks on you bye bye. A phantom will give you a sword to the gut and so on. It is not an easy thing.

Also one other point is time spent deploying is time the demolisher player could be putting out DPS to help the team. So yes it is a fail strategy that should only be done to resupply the demolisher player at their choice. It isn't let everyone take and you twiddle your thumbs and risk going down while everyone else whoops it up with grenades and tops 100K.

It's the best I've got as far as proof goes :/, so nothing I can do there. And yes I got I think 3x1600 bioware points for birthday from my sister, so that's what I spent of realy money.

And I dunno what to tell ya I play the way I told you, most of the times I top the score, and I do make sure that my teamates have the granades they need if they need them.
I do use this on Platinum and yes I do die 6-7 times during the gameplay often, yes while resetting the Pylon.
However I reset the Pylon every 11-13 seconds, so me dying 6-7 times is really not bad, also I'm always near my teammates, so no problem there -..- Also since I resupply my granades more often I throw more of them, and if you try playing the way I described you will see the difference in your performance. Also if you're unable to dodge and roll a lot, you won't really have much succes. 

[OblivionDawn]

Best solution is to drop a Pylon in a suicidal spot, and watch the hilarity ensue.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:08 .

[Pyro666999]

Bolo Xia wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

GI

Didn't really read the whole  thing, so if able please ignore my comment. I do so apologize.

so tell us, how does a demolisher hogging their own grenades affect your GI that does not have grenades?

maybe im confused here, but are you saying demolishers should not pick up grenades and let them disappear when you are around on your GI?

Didn't really read the whole thing, so if able please ignor my comment. I do so apologize

Modifié par Pyro666999, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[Bolo Xia]

Pyro666999 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

DarkSolarcrest wrote...

Trust me your not doing more damage then the classes i play dont fool yourself.

If yes you wanna do nothing but try and get points be a douche and try and claim all the grenades and remember if ya see me get out of my lobby i dont play with soloers

Oh noes, now I'm gonna miss out on some quality games. My jimmies are extremely rustled.

I trust in your hypothetical classes doing more damage than my hypothetical Demolisher. Very strong argument bro.

GI, i can do this to and not answer questions because my argument is lame and i think i am so awesome for editing in stupid things to others posts.

Didn't really read the whole  thing, so if able please ignore my comment. I do so apologize.

so tell us, how does a demolisher hogging their own grenades affect your GI that does not have grenades?

maybe im confused here, but are you saying demolishers should not pick up grenades and let them disappear when you are around on your GI?

[Baerdface]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Best solution is to drop a Pylon in a suicidal spot, and watch the hilarity ensue.

Ah yes, the same stuff that happened when Asari Justicar came out. Good times.

[corkey sweet]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Let me get this straight. You play a support character, and then you get pissed when people expect to be supported.

Riiiiiight.

This^

[OblivionDawn]

Baerdface wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Best solution is to drop a Pylon in a suicidal spot, and watch the hilarity ensue.

Ah yes, the same stuff that happened when Asari Justicar came out. Good times.

Right. The bubble also has actual offensive capability, so you have the dual advantage of killing enemies AND weeding out stupid teammates.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[BouncyFrag]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Best solution is to drop a Pylon in a suicidal spot, and watch the hilarity ensue.

That could lead to potential tension in the lobby after the match. Trolling moochers ftw!

[Baerdface]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Best solution is to drop a Pylon in a suicidal spot, and watch the hilarity ensue.

Ah yes, the same stuff that happened when Asari Justicar came out. Good times.

Right. It also served the purpose of having actual offensive capability, so you have the dual advantage of killing enemies AND weeding out stupid teammates.

Yea, deploying Bubble meant deploying 1 to 3 decoys aswell.

[InvincibleHero]

Pyro666999 wrote...

It's the best I've got as far as proof goes :/, so nothing I can do there. And yes I got I think 3x1600 bioware points for birthday from my sister, so that's what I spent of realy money.

And I dunno what to tell ya I play the way I told you, most of the times I top the score, and I do make sure that my teamates have the granades they need if they need them.
I do use this on Platinum and yes I do die 6-7 times during the gameplay often, yes while resetting the Pylon.
However I reset the Pylon every 11-13 seconds, so me dying 6-7 times is really not bad, also I'm always near my teammates, so no problem there -..- Also since I resupply my granades more often I throw more of them, and if you try playing the way I described you will see the difference in your performance. Also if you're unable to dodge and roll a lot, you won't really have much succes. 

Score is not everything. Your tactics hurt the team. If you are going down 6-7 times every wave then that is putting risk on your team and both of you are doing zero DPS while they revive you. I'd rather someone score a paltry 40-50K and I don't have to revive them often. It leaves everyone to focus on killing things.

Is this perchance camping and farming? With a good team you don't need to do that. It only works on a few select maps anyway.

[iTz JoNeSy]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Ya... A lot of people keep throwing this "support" word around, but I don't think you get what it means, most Support classes can support people WITH OUT worry over losing one ability. The Demo.. all she has are Grenades THAT IT! If she has NO GERNADES She has NO POWERS!

And there more way to support people then ,lending ammo, Like.. Oh I don't know Ripping the shield off of every enemy in the area with more ease then any Energy drain or Overload ever could do, Making a Boss armor into butter... as well as giving a nifty OMFG shield boost when needed.

As for people who say there a spam fest, What.. EXACLY do you want them to do? Not use Grenades? That there class mentality, To bunker down and grenade it from a far while taking pop shots, GET OVER IT! And FYI I rarely die unless it me having to pick up some one else. And if you hate the Demo spam.. then never play with Shadows Or Slayers.

With that said, I don't mind sharing ammo or Grenades.. But If some one hogging my only means to attack you bet I'm going to be pissed.

This.