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[gh0st wh1sp3r]

The Demolisher needs grenades. It's their Pylon and it's their right to hog all the grenades as they want. That's like claiming a Krogan Sentinel is hogging all their Lift Grenades while you're playing a Geth Infiltrator.

The Pylon belongs to the Demolisher. And no one else. Support your team by using your Overload, Warp, etc. the Demolisher supports the team via their grenade spam, like it or not.

Anyone who says, "Oh, share your Pylon, it's for the team!" is an obvious Pylon troll.


That being said, I've gotten to the point where I don't even put my Pylon down, when there's 3 Destroyers in the PUG thinking they can pounce upon my Demolisher's goodies. They run around spamming their Multi-Frags and then look around saying WTF as if I'm SUPPOSED to give them a Pylon.

THAT is entitlement. And it saddens me that this community thinks that they can simply exploit other players and justify it as, "it's your duty to the team herp derp."

[Bolo Xia]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

In what situation are you going to use all 14 grenades in less than 10 seconds?

so you get 14 grenades every 10 secs from your pylon? how interesting.

I put my pylons beside ammo boxes.

goody for you, but if you are full on grenades then you are not doing your full damage potential.
might as well be a leecher giving away grenades and not even trying for kill streaks.

Or my Mates are being nice and killing things aswell.
Or it could be the fact I have a gun which works quite well against those troopers.
Or it could be the fact I don't have to spam every single thing I see with 'nades and can conserve them for when the big robots come out to play.
Or it could be this rare thing called common sense.

^^ when you get some let us know.

big boss types are cake when they dont have all their little cronies running around....
YAY!!! we just discovered what arc grenades are for.... good thing you are all about common sence and how bountyful you are of it.

ever notice that its everything else that kills you or your teammates when the big robots come out?
sure using a few homings on boss types will end the threat fast, but sitting there with full grenades in fear of a boss is just silly. 

ever hear of how some people claim that a good offence is a good defence?.... i dunno maybe not killing things works better for you i guess.

[Pavs719]

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Pavs719 wrote...

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

There's a difference when people are dry-humping you to steal all of your grenades. Sharing is cool, but the exploitation of Demolishers is getting out of hand by those who feel entitled.

[Pavs719]

I have a great team so I don't mind, especially when hacking and such, comes in handy on gold to, but I understand what you are saying though.

[ryoldschool]

Pavs719 wrote...

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

I'm not selfish either, but I can use the grenades better than they can.  Its a friggin grenade based class.  Its been said a bunch of times already - before this class existed people had to plan when to use their grenades and were still every effective with them - so why take grenades away from somebody whose job is to toss them.

[Phattee Buttz]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Pavs719 wrote...

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

There's a difference when people are dry-humping you to steal all of your grenades. Sharing is cool, but the exploitation of Demolishers is getting out of hand by those who feel entitled.

What exploitation? If the Pylon were meant to be used only by the Demolisher, then Bioware would've made it so it refills ONLY the Demolisher's ammo and grenades. That's not the case, which means the Pylon was made to be used by everyone. As long as the team doesn't wipe, I could care less who takes what from the Pylon.

[KayB1991]

Taking what you need from the demolisher's pylon is fine by me, just don't camp on top of it the entire match. Refilling your ammo when you need to is ok but we're not you're personal ammo ***ch. Aside from that feel free to take what you need, just make sure we can at least get some grenades restocked since we kind of don't have any powers, and those grenades work wonders on large groups of enemies.

[Ledgend1221]

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

In what situation are you going to use all 14 grenades in less than 10 seconds?

so you get 14 grenades every 10 secs from your pylon? how interesting.

I put my pylons beside ammo boxes.

goody for you, but if you are full on grenades then you are not doing your full damage potential.
might as well be a leecher giving away grenades and not even trying for kill streaks.

Or my Mates are being nice and killing things aswell.
Or it could be the fact I have a gun which works quite well against those troopers.
Or it could be the fact I don't have to spam every single thing I see with 'nades and can conserve them for when the big robots come out to play.
Or it could be this rare thing called common sense.

^^ when you get some let us know.

big boss types are cake when they dont have all their little cronies running around....
YAY!!! we just discovered what arc grenades are for.... good thing you are all about common sence and how bountyful you are of it.

ever notice that its everything else that kills you or your teammates when the big robots come out?
sure using a few homings on boss types will end the threat fast, but sitting there with full grenades in fear of a boss is just silly. 

ever hear of how some people claim that a good offence is a good defence?.... i dunno maybe not killing things works better for you i guess.

1. Arc grenades are good for stripping shields and barriers, which allows my mates to effectively start doing damage against its armour and allows me to use my homing nades. Since I've used my Harrier to kill all those mean troopers you're afraid of, I have had ample time for me and my teammates to replenish our grenades. Or do you use all your Arc nades at once?

2. What do you mean? Those troopers I could easily take down with my harrier? Those troopers my mates just killed? Two Arc nades for the Barrier/Shields, Two homings for damage. Sitting with full grenades in case of a boss may be silly, but sitting with no grenades when a boss does come is stupid.

3. So if you want a good offence, why are you playing a defensive class?

Common. Sense.

[xX 7heGuy Xx]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Pavs719 wrote...

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

There's a difference when people are dry-humping you to steal all of your grenades. Sharing is cool, but the exploitation of Demolishers is getting out of hand by those who feel entitled.

What exploitation? If the Pylon were meant to be used only by the Demolisher, then Bioware would've made it so it refills ONLY the Demolisher's ammo and grenades. That's not the case, which means the Pylon was made to be used by everyone. As long as the team doesn't wipe, I could care less who takes what from the Pylon.

Yes the pylon is supposed to be used by all, but people should keep in mind that the Demo has only grenades for powers and they are nasty. Personally i'll hit up a pylon here and there if an ammo box is not closer but i wont camp on top of it as i want the Demo to have her grenades.

[FeralJester616]

I have to say that there does seem to be alot of fools on this thread, call me a troll of you like I'm walking away after I put in my two cents...

The demolisher is a grenade spam class and as such, needs the grenades it creates for itself. Now I have no problem sharing my grenades on this class on the rare occassions that myine are full but most of the time I'm fighting with the pylon for more. With me sat there it frees up the ammo boxes for the other classes to refill from too, ever think of that?

Nope, didn't think so. You just see the pylon as a movable ammo box for the team to use. I'm afraid its not, unless I say it is. Call me a dick if you like, call me what you want. But how can I reach my full dps (thusly help the team) if I can't get at my grenades because the rest of the team has them?

All other classes with grenade use have another power they can call on for when they run out, the demolisher does not.

See the difference?

[Dream-Maker]

With just thermal clip packs you can have like around 50-60 grenades per match without even hitting an ammo box or your pylon.

Setting up a pylon is like 2 guaranteed free grenades for yourself.

And people are complaining about teammates taking grenades from the pylon ? WTF seriously. I've played demolisher with other grenade users countless times on gold and rarely ran out of grenades. If this happens just be more mobile or bother using your consumables.

Complaining about teammates taking advantage of a skill that has been designed as a team support skill is just retarded.

And if for whatever reason it is that vital to you that other players stay away from your pylon just use your mic and explain them politely.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[AshirahTSparkle]

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

Before Demolisher came out people didn't seem to care about grenades that much at all.Now suddenly it's a big deal. How on earth did you guys even survive without the pylon since March? Holy s***. If you haven't noticed, there are things called "AMMO BOXES" all around the map. Hello? If any other character is on the team nobody demands anything from him, just to carry his own weight and shoot faces. When a demolisher joins, suddenly he's everyones property. How about no. If a demolisher decides he wants to share grenades and it fits his playstyle, so be it. If he wants to maximize his damage output and keep the nades for himself, you should respect that, the same way you'd respect Asari Justicar speccing bubble into Warp.

Geez.

The thing is that no one is asking the demolishers to give up everything, they are of course the priority, but not letting anyone have any ammo or grenades from the pylon is just selfish.

Yes there are ammo boxes but apart from maybe 1 or 2 of them they are all out in the open, requiring some risk to get to them, whereas the pylon can comfortably supply two people at a time. I've played with many people who set their pylons down in a safe area and the whole team can pop over and resupply without getting their heads shot off in the open.

Actually, it sounds more like the opposite. People want Demolishers to be their personal slave and give them ALL their grenades drops. Read what some of us said, we don't mind sharing, but please don't hog the damn plyon and deny us usage.

Modifié par AshirahTSparkle, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[Kyerea]

It works both ways bro. You can't realistically expect people to leave your grenade factory alone, and yes you do need them because you are a grenade spammer. But you can also re-cast your own SP for additional grenades when your cooldown is up and since you are a gun-toting camping character, you can also have the added benefit of just shooting **** from your shield-buffing, thermal clip spawning, grenade spamming and weapon-buffing Pylon camp.

So yeah, there's that and you also have Thermal Clips.

Modifié par Kyerea, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:03 .

[Phattee Buttz]

FeralJester616 wrote...

I have to say that there does seem to be alot of fools on this thread, call me a troll of you like I'm walking away after I put in my two cents...

The demolisher is a grenade spam class and as such, needs the grenades it creates for itself. Now I have no problem sharing my grenades on this class on the rare occassions that myine are full but most of the time I'm fighting with the pylon for more. With me sat there it frees up the ammo boxes for the other classes to refill from too, ever think of that?

 

I'm sure those 3 Primes and 12 Pyros will kindly step aside and stop shooting at me while I run out to resupply instead of  hopping over to the ammo-pooping box two feet away from me.

Nope, didn't think so. You just see the pylon as a movable ammo box for the team to use. I'm afraid its not, unless I say it is. Call me a dick if you like, call me what you want. But how can I reach my full dps (thusly help the team) if I can't get at my grenades because the rest of the team has them?

Who cares about "full dps"!!! It's all about getting that space money at the end. Topping the scoreboard is completely irrelvant.

All other classes with grenade use have another power they can call on for when they run out, the demolisher does not.

See the difference?

Not sure if you've noticed, but you're allowed to carry this thing called a "gun". Hell you can take two with you if you want.

[Bolo Xia]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

In what situation are you going to use all 14 grenades in less than 10 seconds?

so you get 14 grenades every 10 secs from your pylon? how interesting.

I put my pylons beside ammo boxes.

goody for you, but if you are full on grenades then you are not doing your full damage potential.
might as well be a leecher giving away grenades and not even trying for kill streaks.

Or my Mates are being nice and killing things aswell.
Or it could be the fact I have a gun which works quite well against those troopers.
Or it could be the fact I don't have to spam every single thing I see with 'nades and can conserve them for when the big robots come out to play.
Or it could be this rare thing called common sense.

^^ when you get some let us know.

big boss types are cake when they dont have all their little cronies running around....
YAY!!! we just discovered what arc grenades are for.... good thing you are all about common sence and how bountyful you are of it.

ever notice that its everything else that kills you or your teammates when the big robots come out?
sure using a few homings on boss types will end the threat fast, but sitting there with full grenades in fear of a boss is just silly. 

ever hear of how some people claim that a good offence is a good defence?.... i dunno maybe not killing things works better for you i guess.

1. Arc grenades are good for stripping shields and barriers, which allows my mates to effectively start doing damage against its armour and allows me to use my homing nades. Since I've used my Harrier to kill all those mean troopers you're afraid of, I have had ample time for me and my teammates to replenish our grenades. Or do you use all your Arc nades at once?

2. What do you mean? Those troopers I could easily take down with my harrier? Those troopers my mates just killed? Two Arc nades for the Barrier/Shields, Two homings for damage. Sitting with full grenades in case of a boss may be silly, but sitting with no grenades when a boss does come is stupid.

3. So if you want a good offence, why are you playing a defensive class?

Common. Sense.

keep telling yourself you are awesome on bronze bro, maybe someday you will make it to silver. that may take awhile in your case.

im only posting since we are playing this cat and mouse game about common sence, maybe some day you will be able to compete with me on the subject.

i would point out what is wrong with all 3 points but i think you would do some other sock puppet scenerio to try to defend it.

i would play with you to show you how its done, but im too afraid of the troopers on bronze. plus you would probably camp my pylon lol..

oohhh... dont forget common sence.

[shurryy]

The demolisher CAN be a support class with their little device thingy, giving ammo and grenades + shield buffs for their teammates...
But they would be far more useful if they got their device thingy's ammo for themselves.

Bunkered down, raining grenades and sniper bullets from far off is a far more useful action than having your entire team camping around their little device thingy expecting it to keep you safe. It doesn't.

If the entire team can co-operate and find positions that won't get the demo flanked, the demo can support the rest of the team by removing shields and destroying armor of painful or groups of targets.

What people should forget about is the mindset of "Being the best", the point system. It gives a reason for people to be competitive, and hence causes reckless actions and lack of teamwork. People run off in order to hoard the most points, they grow careless and in the end they get flanked, downed, stomped and eventually lure the rest of the team into a cluster**** they can't get out of without using a bazillion missiles.

Other peoples support gadgets come in handy, but they are nothing to be relied on because they are unreliable. If the demo doesnt get her nades, she becomes unreliable.

[DullahansXMark]

I only take as I need. Otherwise I just leave the Pylon alone. It's just courtesy, you know? I can't kick her off her own Pylon, because
A) It's... well, her Pylon.
I might have other allies who use grenades, too.
And again, that's only when ammo crates are just being stingy. Take them as you need them, guys. Don't be hording.

[Fishbulb]

I always place my pylon next to me, so I can reap the benefits of the grenades and ammo, if someone happens to sit next to me, that's fine, they can come in on some of the ammo love. But I am nothing without my grenades, so you'll never see me going out of my way to place a pylon down by another group and go off into another area on my own, like I've been told to do in the past.

Pylon always stays next to me. Every class is a support class. Every one of them. I am not there to be anyone's personal ammo and grenade stash. I am not doing my job when I am out of ammo and grenades. I am sick of this argument.

Modifié par Fishbulb, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:08 .

[Ledgend1221]

@Bolo Xia
You resort to insults and don't even try to debate my points.
You say you can point out flaws in all three of my points but don't, because you can't.
You have just made yourself out to be a fool and nothing more.

Modifié par Ledgend1221, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:08 .

[WeAreLegion-]

AldarionnEB wrote...

More than half the games I end up playing turn out to be FBWGG games, because I queue for U/U/G. I seem to have trouble filling up a lobby set to U/U/G, and for those games I play my Demolisher because it's easy and I can just toss my Pylon at my feet and call it a day.

Last night though, two of my games ended up being FBWGG and in BOTH matches I had people who seemed to be pissed at me for sitting on my own pylon to supply myself with grenades and ammo. One guy kept jumping on my Pylon every time I moved so I couldn't get anything from it, to the point that he wouldn't even move to help with objectives. Every time I moved the Pylon, he would rush to it and push me off of it if I had to run and revive someone or complete an objective. In another game, the host (playing a Destroyer) kept shooting me in the head between waves and voted to kick me at the end of the match. Neither of the others voted to kick, but I ended up leaving because the guy wouldn't ready up until I left.

rant

Demolishers are not your personal grenade suppliers! They need their grenades because they make up a large chunck of a Demolisher's damage (Out of 75+ kills less than 25 were with my gun, in both matches!), especially in a farm match! If it's a farm match, get your own grenades, and run to the ammo crate like you used to between waves. In a regular match, I'm more than happy to share because it helps the team, but in a farm match I can help the team more by setting up and detonating tech bursts, and stunning everyone in a large area with my unlimited Arc Grenades, especially when you insist on running forward to your death. Next time, I'll just let you get executed!

/rant

never mind what i said before, just got the demolisher and totally know how you feel

[shurryy]

Bolo Xia wrote...

Wow... I wanna say that this level of arrogance and douchebagery is a rare breed...

Oh wait this is the interwebz.
 
moving on. 

[FearTheReaper94]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Pavs719 wrote...

I share with all classes that has grenades, its a game, team work plays an important part, so im not selfish.

There's a difference when people are dry-humping you to steal all of your grenades. Sharing is cool, but the exploitation of Demolishers is getting out of hand by those who feel entitled.

What exploitation? If the Pylon were meant to be used only by the Demolisher, then Bioware would've made it so it refills ONLY the Demolisher's ammo and grenades. That's not the case, which means the Pylon was made to be used by everyone. As long as the team doesn't wipe, I could care less who takes what from the Pylon.

Actually, if the pylon was meant to support the team, they would have made it so that it refills anyone and everyone in the area, not the first come first serve that it is right now.

[Lee80]

People do tend to steal grenades, and when we place the pylon under us it means we are planning to use those grenades ourselves. Like most characters there are different way to play the demolisher-one being an offensive build that uses grenades and isn't meant to be a support character.

When you steal their grenades they have no way to fight as they have no spamming powers like the rest of the characters in the game-nor any bonus gun damage that some have.