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[Phattee Buttz]

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

Let me put it in simple terms

It's THEIR power.
It's THEIR Pylon.
It's THEIR Ammo.
It's THEIR Grenades.
They NEED them because that's all their powers are, grenades.
A Demolisher is more effective when they have free access to all their ammo and grenades, take that away and they offer no power support for the team, because you just took their grenades, their powers. Simple

Nah, I have a couple of guns and some non-retarded teammates, so it's all good. No need to hoard. Also, I don't need to be at the top of the score chart, which is the only thing grenade-spamming is good for.

Modifié par Phattee Buttz, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:17 .

[snackrat]

Demos NEED their 'nades. 'Nades are the only powers they have (barring the pylon itself), that share cap, and they don't get any weapon damage bonuses - beyond the standard in their training tree, assuming you even build that.

I'm fine with people taking my grenades if I don't need them or am not at the pylon at the time; if they don't get taken they 'expire' anyway when they are 'replaced' by new drops (you can't stack 'em up). Need 'nades? Ammo boxes empty, or too dangerous to approach? Go ahead. You can also feel free to take the ammo too; I will usually place the pylon in a safe place to bunker down that doesn't already have ammo or could benefit from some extras.

But I do get pissed when male quarians or krogans or what have you squat motionless on my pylon and refuse to let me ever have any when, without 'nades, the demolisher is practically useless. In those cases, I'll bugger off and replace my pylon elsewhere so I can get at least ONE grenade, thank you very much.

All these people complaining of demos hogging 'nades because it prevents them doing the same...

[lord_nair]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

The Demolisher needs grenades. It's their Pylon and it's their right to hog all the grenades as they want. That's like claiming a Krogan Sentinel is hogging all their Lift Grenades while you're playing a Geth Infiltrator.

The Pylon belongs to the Demolisher. And no one else. Support your team by using your Overload, Warp, etc. the Demolisher supports the team via their grenade spam, like it or not.

Anyone who says, "Oh, share your Pylon, it's for the team!" is an obvious Pylon troll.


That being said, I've gotten to the point where I don't even put my Pylon down, when there's 3 Destroyers in the PUG thinking they can pounce upon my Demolisher's goodies. They run around spamming their Multi-Frags and then look around saying WTF as if I'm SUPPOSED to give them a Pylon.

THAT is entitlement. And it saddens me that this community thinks that they can simply exploit other players and justify it as, "it's your duty to the team herp derp."

well said!

[FeralJester616]

Phattee Buttz wrote...



Who cares about "full dps"!!! It's all about getting that space money at the end. Topping the scoreboard is completely irrelvant.

Not sure if you've noticed, but you're allowed to carry this thing called a "gun". Hell you can take two with you if you want.

My full dps will help with getting the job done, and my full rotation does include firing so your point is unvalid.
So just because I can give you grenades and such means that I have to?
Get a clue... If you've run out of grenades, Fire Your Own Damn Gun!
Fire off your other powers too.
Unfortunatly I can't because even under different specs I'm forced to take grenades with this class.
All classes are for support and I support best with my 'nades. Take my ammo all you like but the 'nades are for me unless I'm not there to take them (ie: off escorting the drone or getting other objectives)

WeAreLegion- wrote...
 never mind what i said before, just got the demolisher and totally know how you feel

I think some needs a pat on the back...

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

Let me put it in simple terms

It's THEIR power.
It's THEIR Pylon.
It's THEIR Ammo.
It's THEIR Grenades.
They NEED them because that's all their powers are, grenades.
A Demolisher is more effective when they have free access to all their ammo and grenades, take that away and they offer no power support for the team, because you just took their grenades, their powers. Simple

Nah, I have a couple of guns and some non-retarded teammates, so it's all good. No need to hoard. Also, I don't need to be at the top of the score chart, which is the only thing grenade-spamming is good for.

...other than killing large groups of enemies so they dont overrun the team...yeah other than that

[Phattee Buttz]

Drake Malice wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

Let me put it in simple terms

It's THEIR power.
It's THEIR Pylon.
It's THEIR Ammo.
It's THEIR Grenades.
They NEED them because that's all their powers are, grenades.
A Demolisher is more effective when they have free access to all their ammo and grenades, take that away and they offer no power support for the team, because you just took their grenades, their powers. Simple

Nah, I have a couple of guns and some non-retarded teammates, so it's all good. No need to hoard. Also, I don't need to be at the top of the score chart, which is the only thing grenade-spamming is good for.

...other than killing large groups of enemies so they dont overrun the team...yeah other than that

Yeah, maybe if you're playing with a team full of level 1 Novaguards and Batarian Sentinels, but like I said, it's not an issue if you have non-retarded teammates.

Modifié par Phattee Buttz, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:24 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

Let me put it in simple terms

It's THEIR power.
It's THEIR Pylon.
It's THEIR Ammo.
It's THEIR Grenades.
They NEED them because that's all their powers are, grenades.
A Demolisher is more effective when they have free access to all their ammo and grenades, take that away and they offer no power support for the team, because you just took their grenades, their powers. Simple

Nah, I have a couple of guns and some non-retarded teammates, so it's all good. No need to hoard. Also, I don't need to be at the top of the score chart, which is the only thing grenade-spamming is good for.

...other than killing large groups of enemies so they dont overrun the team...yeah other than that

Not an issue if you have non-retarded teammates.

Some of us are not so lucky to find golden randoms

[ryoldschool]

This thread is way out of hand.

Before this class existed, on gold anyway, you would hardly have two grenade classes play in the same match - why? because the grenade supply on some maps is horrible. Still the community adjusted and found out that maybe its not such a good idea to have two players competing for grenades out of the boxes.

Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own.

Whats's the problem? You want to decide that your drell adept or MQI is entitled to throw more grenades than before, just because there is a demolisher on the team?

The argument that the demolisher has guns and should use them instead of throwing grenades is hollow. An adept has guns also, but adepts are better off using their powers instead.

[Phattee Buttz]

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

[Bolo Xia]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

@Bolo Xia
You resort to insults and don't even try to debate my points.
You say you can point out flaws in all three of my points but don't, because you can't.
You have just made yourself out to be a fool and nothing more.

fine fine..... to adress those 3 points you made.

1. arc grenades do strip shields/ barriers like you said, but they also apply a DoT, setup tech bursts, also staggers,  and are very easy to get kill streaks off of. also catching the enemy when they spawn a demolisher can annihlate the enemy fast.
you know kinda the same way cluster,inferno, arc, and lift grenaders do the same thing. doesnt have to be a farming map either. 

2. troopers and mid tier enemies are dealt with 1st, the guy kiting a banshee has more of a chance dieing from a cannibal than they do getting killed by the banshee. most people agree killing the shooters 1st makes killing boss types easy especially since most boss's are big and slow. getting killed by a ravager also counts or what about those centurians shooting you while you are fighting a phantom. i could go on and on here.

3. demolisher is not a defensive class, they are not a support role either. they can help the team with ammo but when they are out of grenades you are a gunner without any powers. using up half the grenades on an enemy spawn eliminates enemies from the wave faster than picking them off one by one.
the pylon can be moved, so we can fight and push around the map and be ressuplied wherever we go. also it can be a base of your opperations... a place to return after bombing a group.
on farming maps it is both offensive and defensive because you do not have to leave your area but still able to reign down death.

so either you rethink how you argue or at least know what you are talking about in the 1st place.
i did not bring up the common sence as a hidden insult in the 1st place so get your facts together friend.

also if the counter points im making do not make sence to you, i seriously dont know what would help you.
anyway im outa here because for the most part im sick of explaining game basic's and then argueing about them to people that either, do not care about how things really work or are only interested in trading forum punches.

[DullahansXMark]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

If it makes no difference, then yes. The Pylon is a last resort for non-Demolishers.

[cgj]

this should have been obvious from the get go and i don't even really play the demolisher (Turian soldier + harrier ,with a demo in the team FTW), the support is 25/50% more shield 15% more weapon/power damage, weapon ammo and OCCASIONAL grenades

the grenades from the pylon were obviously meant for her 90% of the time, and playing with my friends, they always ask her whether she needs the nades or not before they take some, taking the nades while she needs them would be like taking away energy drain and incinerate from the salarian or overload and turret from the geth

[Dream-Maker]

ryoldschool wrote...
Whats's the problem? You want to decide that your drell adept or MQI is entitled to throw more grenades than before, just because there is a demolisher on the team?

The same can be said for the opposite side you can't expect your demolisher to get all the grenades when there are other grenade users on the team.

The pylon is like a bonus ammo box on the map which also gives shields and power/weapon bonuses. The demolisher has the advantage to set it up wherever she wants and whenever she wants.

Seriously this thread is a non-issue or at least as much of an issue as 2 non demolisher grenade users competing for grenade boxes before the DLC. This thread is just selfish people who want to play their game and not be bothered by other players complaining about other selfish people in their team.

There are plenty of ways to counter the lack of grenade supply. Using grenade gear, using thermal clip packs, being mobile to hit as many boxes as possible, or just being smart and trying to organize the team so that everyone can get their grenades. On top of that, it is the demolisher who actually has an advantage over all : she controls the pylon set up so whenever she needs grenades she can move it and get some of them right away.

Also the Demolisher absolutely needs her nades argument because she only has that is dumb. There are many other builds who depending on their setup only use grenades as a main damaging power. The ones coming to my mind right now being the Krogan and the Vorcha Sentinel, the Krogan Soldier with builds ignoring incinerate, flamer and carnage. I could also add the Destroyer or the no consussive shot Human Soldier but they have a power to support weapon firing so it's not as much of an issue for them.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .

[Rolenka]

I place my pylon in a central area of the map far from other 'nade boxes, then I use them as well as my pylon. I expect everyone to share it. I specced it to spit out more grenades. It never occurred to me to hoard them.

[Vlta]

people can have the ammo, the grenades are mine though...all mine...

[NucularPikinic]

Some people... seriously... HEY YOU'RE A SUPPORT class, I DEMAND SUPPORT BECAUSE I THINK I'M ENTITLED TO IT.

Guess what? You did just fine without the N7 Engineer Demos before, you'll do fine now. In a pinch, sure, go for it. At least try to do the courteous thing and let them have constant access to their one and only power?

[WickedTruth 823]

Rolenka wrote...

I place my pylon in a central area of the map far from other 'nade boxes, then I use them as well as my pylon. I expect everyone to share it. I specced it to spit out more grenades. It never occurred to me to hoard them.

thats because you're what's considered a good team player... You want to help the team. Not just yourself. My buddy runs the demo all the time and I run the destroyer. Together we make perfect harmony of destruction. Then again we learned how to share in school. 

[SnakeEyes]

I'm sorry guys but when I run as a Demolisher, I run with 11 Grenades so my pylon is for me. To make up for it, I won't grab them from the Ammo Crates though. Also, remember that the Demolishers have a POOL of grenades to access, it's not like they get seperate numbers for each of the grenade types.

Modifié par Kurt-Niisan2, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[Kingston Atticus]

So ppl use your grenades?! That's what they are their for. You do NOT need to just spam grenades. You can use any gun and not care about how heavy they are since you don't need to constantly place the pylon and your grenades don't have a recharge time. Take better guns and there is NO problemo dude!

[psrz]

WickedTruth 823 wrote...

Rolenka wrote...

I place my pylon in a central area of the map far from other 'nade boxes, then I use them as well as my pylon. I expect everyone to share it. I specced it to spit out more grenades. It never occurred to me to hoard them.

thats because you're what's considered a good team player... You want to help the team. Not just yourself. My buddy runs the demo all the time and I run the destroyer. Together we make perfect harmony of destruction. Then again we learned how to share in school. 

My friend got a Demolisher and she put the Pylon close to her and starting spamming granades. I was what's considered a good team player and let her have all of them to maximize her damage. She laid waste on those Reapers. I did what I always do with my Krogan Sentinel: I scavenged every ammo box I could find. My friend getting her own granades really helped me. I always got granedes from boxes

[xXdmndmnXx]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Good one Exter
In all seriousness though, Demolisher was meant to be a support character, buuut it is your game and you can play it how you want to. However, do share once in a while and everyone will be happy

[Fang92]

xXdmndmnXx wrote...
Good one Exter
In all seriousness though, Demolisher was meant to be a support character, buuut it is your game and you can play it how you want to. However, do share once in a while and everyone will be happy

As a demolisher, this is what i do. I dont mind that. And im pretty sure most demolishers in this thread would do so as well.

My problem is when:
The lobby switches to all grenade users
Theres an idiot on my pylon 24/7 OR is dry humping my character 24/7 so they can get on the pylon
RACING me to my own pylon.
Spamming their grenades and expecting me to restock them everytime.
Expecting me to use my powers for their personal benefit.

[DS Monkfish]

I love playing as the Demolisher. As far as I'm concerned, it's open season on the nades and ammo. My pylon helps everyone - I normally place it in high-traffic areas or good defensive spots, so anybody running through gets their weapons topped up. Generally I play with friends, and we work to complement each other, but I have met a few greedy randoms in pugs. I just kick 'em afterwards or leave and find a new game.

[richcz3]

Hmm - I see my Demolisher as a support for ammo and grenades and I see it as a way to get the team. It's right there in the specs "allies", meaning the pylon is meant to aid the team. With that said, Bioware needs to make the pylon able to give some form of priority to the Demolisher.

[Star fury]

This thread is pure gold.