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[ParatrooperSean]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is your laziness. Go visit an ammo box. In the mean time use a non-grenade related power, since every class but the Demolisher has one.

Or here's a crazy idea. Get on the mic and ask the Demolisher player if you can grab a grenade. :gasp: 

Is it really so baffling why it is the Demolisher should get priority over his grenades?

[curly haired boy]

if i'm a demolisher and i queue with a nade-spamming batsoldier or asari vanguard or male quarian engineer, i'm gonna let them have all the nades they want, cause they can use them to better effect than i can.

if they're not on the team, i'm keeping my nades. human soldiers who throw a nade mebbe 3 times a match are not my concern.

[Lofrof]

You're welcome to the leftovers, but that's it. Deal with it.

[ryoldschool]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

If you don't understand the point, well yes.  I actually use my ammo clips even when I play the demolisher, why shouldn't you?

[FeralJester616]

psrz wrote...

WickedTruth 823 wrote...

Rolenka wrote...

I place my pylon in a central area of the map far from other 'nade boxes, then I use them as well as my pylon. I expect everyone to share it. I specced it to spit out more grenades. It never occurred to me to hoard them.

thats because you're what's considered a good team player... You want to help the team. Not just yourself. My buddy runs the demo all the time and I run the destroyer. Together we make perfect harmony of destruction. Then again we learned how to share in school. 

My friend got a Demolisher and she put the Pylon close to her and starting spamming granades. I was what's considered a good team player and let her have all of them to maximize her damage. She laid waste on those Reapers. I did what I always do with my Krogan Sentinel: I scavenged every ammo box I could find. My friend getting her own granades really helped me. I always got granedes from boxes

I think you're what is known as a good team player.
A good team player not only helps the team but also does all they can by fu*king up the enemies so that they don't so the same to the team.
With the Demo this means using all the grenades given by the pylon... there for freeing up the grenades in the ammo boxes... 

[your-friendly-noggin]

KayB1991 wrote...

Taking what you need from the demolisher's pylon is fine by me, just don't camp on top of it the entire match. Refilling your ammo when you need to is ok but we're not you're personal ammo ***ch. Aside from that feel free to take what you need, just make sure we can at least get some grenades restocked since we kind of don't have any powers, and those grenades work wonders on large groups of enemies.

This is all I want, I don't want your grenades because I hardly ever touch grenade classes but it would be nice to have a safer location to get ammo from, especially if I'm running with the harrier or claymore without ammo mods on. 

I'm going to put this out there: Someone dry humping you or your pylon is not cool, but you don't need to do the same to your pylon, decent players should understand that you have grenade priority.

However when you do sit right on top of the pylon every bullet you fire uses up a thermal clip that someone else might have put to better use,  that is the reason people are dry humping you in the first place.

Play a little friendlier and people might treat you and your pylon a bit better.

Modifié par your-friendly-noggin, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[Mac_33]

Maybe this thread is why no one came close to my pylon today...

[LaZy i IS]

I agree with the OP, I get priority for my supplies but I don't mind sharing. In a farming game though, it's ALL mine.

[your-friendly-noggin]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is your laziness. Go visit an ammo box. In the mean time use a non-grenade related power, since every class but the Demolisher has one.

Or here's a crazy idea. Get on the mic and ask the Demolisher player if you can grab a grenade. :gasp: 

Is it really so baffling why it is the Demolisher should get priority over his grenades?

Notice the word "ammo" not grenades, I'm pretty sure Phattee was referring to gun ammo that many other classes are more effective with than the Demolisher.

[ryoldschool]

Dream-Maker wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Whats's the problem? You want to decide that your drell adept or MQI is entitled to throw more grenades than before, just because there is a demolisher on the team?

The same can be said for the opposite side you can't expect your demolisher to get all the grenades when there are other grenade users on the team.



Also the Demolisher absolutely needs her nades argument because she only has that is dumb. There are many other builds who depending on their setup only use grenades as a main damaging power. The ones coming to my mind right now being the Krogan and the Vorcha Sentinel, the Krogan Soldier with builds ignoring incinerate, flamer and carnage. I could also add the Destroyer or the no consussive shot Human Soldier but they have a power to support weapon firing so it's not as much of an issue for them.

I play the Krogan sentinel all the time ( incinerate-free build ) and they can only shoot and throw grenades.  But the Krogan is a sentinel and has better health, melee etc.   And I also play a human soldier that is concussive shot free.  Those classes have something going for them besides guns and grenades.  I don't go into a match thinking I can spam grenades, particularly if there is another grenade user on the team.  You take away grenades from a demolisher and you diminish their damage output, its just that simple.

[ryoldschool]

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is your laziness. Go visit an ammo box. In the mean time use a non-grenade related power, since every class but the Demolisher has one.

Or here's a crazy idea. Get on the mic and ask the Demolisher player if you can grab a grenade. :gasp: 

Is it really so baffling why it is the Demolisher should get priority over his grenades?

Notice the word "ammo" not grenades, I'm pretty sure Phattee was referring to gun ammo that many other classes are more effective with than the Demolisher.

Also, the ammo boxes never run out of ammo ( except the condor map ), but they will run out of grenades.

[ParatrooperSean]

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is your laziness. Go visit an ammo box. In the mean time use a non-grenade related power, since every class but the Demolisher has one.

Or here's a crazy idea. Get on the mic and ask the Demolisher player if you can grab a grenade. :gasp: 

Is it really so baffling why it is the Demolisher should get priority over his grenades?

Notice the word "ammo" not grenades, I'm pretty sure Phattee was referring to gun ammo that many other classes are more effective with than the Demolisher.

And if you look at the post he replied to he was exclussively speaking about grenades, so that makes Phattee's reply make even less sense.

I think the vast majority of Demolishers are far more protective of their grenades than their ammo.

[ryoldschool]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
Well with this class it brings its own grenades, so you can still have one player who can visit all the ammo boxes exclusively to get grenades, and have the demolisher who can bring her own..

So you're saying that if I'm completely out of ammo and there's a Pylon two feet away from me, I should nonetheless run to the nearest ammo box just so the Demolisher doesn't get upset?

Makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is your laziness. Go visit an ammo box. In the mean time use a non-grenade related power, since every class but the Demolisher has one.

Or here's a crazy idea. Get on the mic and ask the Demolisher player if you can grab a grenade. :gasp: 

Is it really so baffling why it is the Demolisher should get priority over his grenades?

Notice the word "ammo" not grenades, I'm pretty sure Phattee was referring to gun ammo that many other classes are more effective with than the Demolisher.

And if you look at the post he replied to he was exclussively speaking about grenades, so that makes Phattee's reply make even less sense.

I think the vast majority of Demolishers are far more protective of their grenades than their ammo.

^ a guy with a harrier can visit me all the time.  I think maybe 
Phattee Buttz has not played the class yet.   If s/he does then maybe it should become obvious why the demolisher needs the grenades.

[Wild Wolfie]

What do players do when there is not a demolisher in the game? Do they just sit and pull an empty trigger until the enemy kills them? Was no one able to complete a game before this character made an appearance? Frankly it's this characters ability and how they want to play it, it's completely up to them. It does not make them a bad team player. If I see some one playing this character I leave them be. It is no hassle to do what I do in any other game and go to an ammo box even if they are right next to me. If they choose to share then that's up to them.

[robarcool]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how being a support class = not allowed to get kills

...by some peoples standards.

Don't think anyone said that.  

I think it's funnier how people take something someone says and run way farther with it than they should.

Straw man argument.

[ToaOrka]

I agree - Demolishers are crippled without grenades, even if you give them really bad-ass weapons.

[RiflemanUK]

When I play Destroyer I get my nades from the ammo boxes or from my consumables, I might pick up some from a pylon every now and again if the demolisher isn't getting nades from it but I can keep myself perfectly well stocked up from the boxes around the map. I do this because as a Destroyer I have a constant 50%+ DPS increase on my weapons and can chew through bosses with a Hurricane, Revenant etc. The way I see it the Destroyers grenades are to be used for clearing out large groups quickly, doing damage spikes to bosses that get too close and to protect yourself and overs from the instakill enemies and my main source of damage is my guns.

I think it's selfish to take all of the grenades a Demolisher can get from their pylon, their grenades are their only powers meanwhile the Destroyer and other grenade classes all have other powers and honestly, what would you have to do if there were no Demolishers? You'd have to use the ammo boxes or consumables like everyone else used to. Sure you can say the Demolishers can take two weapons but that's going to affect the cooldown on their pylon and also they don't even have much weapon damage bonus.

What I'm saying is that the pylon is there to get grenades from when its fair to do so and ammo, it isn't fair to treat the Demolisher like your personal grenade factory.

Modifié par RiflemanUK, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:57 .

[UKillMeLongTime]

just all be demolishers makes gold games a laugh and platinum as well

[Wheatax]

Sharing is caring,
Now stop fighting,
And let pylons be pylons.

On a serious note this is a pretty similar scenario when another class steals an ammo box from an Engineer in Team Fortress 2 when he's in need of some metal from ammo box to "Erectin' a Dispenser" or repairing the sentry turret in combat situation.

When playing with an N7 Demolisher teammate, all you need to do is have some common sense. Most of their powers are grenades based so the pylon is needed  to constantly supply them since ammo box takes time to resupply grenades. That doesn't mean they can't share the grenades with other teammates AND that doesn't mean their job is to mainly supply the teammates only. Take turns or prioritize it accordingly given on the current situation. It has 20 seconds cooldown in terms of grenades replenishing. So if the demo isn't using the grenades at that time or probably has more but you don't, hop in for supply and get back to action.

No need to camp at that pylon 24/7. It's the sacred place of every N7 Demolisher! *joking*

If you're so much in need of grenades (other classes that is), well run to an ammo box. You've done it before the pylon was even born in Mass Effect, so it shouldn't be a problem. Ammo boxes are literally everywhere. Or better, in dire situation, press that 8 button to instantly get back your full ammo and grenades. Perfect time to spend that ammo pack rather than leaving it to 300+ in your consumable stockpiles (well, at least for me anyway lol). And if you reallllllllly in need of grenades and other ammo box are out, turn on that mic, just ask for it from the Demo if he's in spamming mode. Never hurts to ask.

Think of it back to Engineer in TF2. You took the ammo box (= grenades in ME) from the Engie when he needed it to build a sentry ASAP since enemies are pushing. Now, he had to wait for the ammo box to respawn or scavenge other ammo box. By the time he got 1 and went back to rebuilding/upgrading the sentry, enemies might have already destroyed it and are nearing the checkpoint. There goes your defense. Same thing can be applied with N7 Demo. Their grenades are great at CC-ing large number of enemies and even deals spread out damage which will help a ton in reducing the enemies health quicker especially at higher difficulty. So it's fine for them to prioritize the plylon for themselves (hey, it's their pylon anyway), but it's ok to once in awhile hop into the pylon range and back out to quickly replenish your ammo/grenades if ammo box are out of option and you forgot the button 8 provided there are left over grenades. If not wait for ammo boxes. Demolisher need the pylon more than others.  

Uh oh wall of text

Modifié par Drotter, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:30 .

[joker_jack]

Had a player playing a BF3 solider and the dude was camping on top of the pylon no matter where the demolisher went. BF3 guy finally got massacred by 3 primes. In the final wave. It was after that everyone in the lobby proceeded to kick the person and file a griefing report. Seems to happen alot with those BF3 promo characters.

[Midnite Ryu]

One more reason ti stick with my N7 Slayer ammo is almost an non issue and if i need it ill teleport to the nearest crate for it lol.

[ElementL09]

I can understand what your saying OP.  I roll with with a N7 Destroyer with Multifrags and while it is nice to have a demolisher on the team, I can understand that they do need their own steady supplies of grenades, so I usually only go to the supply pylon only for ammo.

[ajburges]

There are two classes that use gernades better than Demolisher:
Drell Adept (BEs)
Quarrian Infiltrator (TC)

There are two classes that use gernades to simular effectiveness as a Demolisher:
Devastator (occasional MIRV to stumble everything)
Quarrian Engineer (1 Gernade to Tech Burst)

Every class listed above takes 3-4 levels of fitness MINIMUM. This makes them better suited to box scrubbing. Category 1 can take my Pylon gernades if I can still get some (no you are not allowed to throw them that much more often than me) and Category 2 should probably forrage.

[ajburges]

ElementL09 wrote...

I can understand what your saying OP.  I roll with with a N7 Destroyer with Multifrags and while it is nice to have a demolisher on the team, I can understand that they do need their own steady supplies of grenades, so I usually only go to the supply pylon only for ammo.

If there is a Demolisher willing to work with me, it brcomes a beautiful thing. If I'm the only one taking ammo, the Typhoon can run non-stop. The Demolisher can proceed to stun, strip, and de-buff enemies as needed when they have exclusive gernade access.

[DAO MAdhatter]

I never count on demolisher temmates for anything. In fact. I make it a point to try to & avoid their pylon & or use a class with no granades at all as to avoid accidentially stealing theirs. After all, If you do onto others, they than shalt do onto you. Hopefully.