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[Shui5986]

We should all just play Demolishers, then everyone gets their own pylon!

[CRUMVIII]

 Bah. Pretty much happens to me too. People say I'm not a teamplayer because I got the pylon jammed up my ass.

Fact is though, I AM a teamplayer because who's the one raining down arc grenades on the enemies to stun them while the teammate at the front is busy reviving the one that got downed next to him?
 Wouldn't you just hate it if I couldn't stun them because my grenades were stolen? It's happened before which is why I keep it to myself whether they like it or not.

I suppose if I could have a slightly better gun like a Typhoon or something, I'd share my main source of damage a bit more. I saw another demolisher end up first in one game with him sharing his pylon for the first 6 or so waves. (Which btw another teammate called him a "****ing moron" for not keeping the pylon to himself.  >_> Gets better though. He was calling me the moron first but then apologised when he realised my pylon was up my backside. XD ) Anywho, the guy had a Typhoon 5 or something so he was killing stuff pretty easily without grenades.
I myself only have a Cerberus harrier 1. It's ok but if there's a large group of enemies overwhelming my allies, it just doesn't cut it compared to a grenade.

Lastly, and not saying this for all involved classes, but all those classes that "need our grenades more", funny but every one of those people who joined my game ffailed with their grenades . To the point, I think to myself, "those grenades you just stole of me and wasted could have been put to much better use if I had been the one to toss em".

Shui5986 wrote...

We should all just play Demolishers, then everyone gets their own pylon!

I've done that once. Quite a barrel of laughs. So many explosions it's a wonder how the map is still intact. XD We got kinda screwed at objective 10 though. Hacking devices and what not. Damn banshees.

Modifié par CRUMVIII, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:49 .

[lord_nair]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

I disagree with this whole "let people play the way they want" argument. It's a team game, so no, it's not acceptable to play any way you want, if playing how you want means playing in a selfish, non-team-oriented way.

Obviously, I can't control how randoms play, but I can kick or leave a lobby.

thats the biggest steaming pile of BS i've heard, coop game has no leader, it is not military, it means each individual determine what to do the help the team suceed, including determining which target to shoot, what power to use and whether or not wanting to share grenades, everyone make their own tactical decision to help the cause.

That means - whether or not it is "selfish" or "non-team oriented" is not for you to say.

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

upinya slayin wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

RamPuppy wrote...
guys, if these people haven't figured out a demolisher needs her nades after 20 pages on this topic, and what, 40 or 50 pages throughout other topics - they are not going to. your wasting your time.

I'd say the problem is that people haven't figured out that the Demolisher doesn't need to hoard every single one of her nades.

exactly. last i chekced you can still equip a gun on it right? i mean its not the only character that isn't allowed a gun and therefor can do nothing without grenades right? Also it doens't have  any power that hurts cooldown so you can carry 2 guns as heavy as you want. If you can't kill with 2 awesome guns then you shouldn't be playing that difficulty

Last I checked, you too can also equip two heavy guns and just fire those.
If you keep a Demolisher from using her powers, you should be the one not using your powers and just firing two awesome heavy weapons.
/hypocrite

[FeralJester616]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

RamPuppy wrote...
guys, if these people haven't figured out a demolisher needs her nades after 20 pages on this topic, and what, 40 or 50 pages throughout other topics - they are not going to. your wasting your time.

I'd say the problem is that people haven't figured out that the Demolisher doesn't need to hoard every single one of her nades.

exactly. last i chekced you can still equip a gun on it right? i mean its not the only character that isn't allowed a gun and therefor can do nothing without grenades right? Also it doens't have  any power that hurts cooldown so you can carry 2 guns as heavy as you want. If you can't kill with 2 awesome guns then you shouldn't be playing that difficulty

Last I checked, you too can also equip two heavy guns and just fire those.
If you keep a Demolisher from using her powers, you should be the one not using your powers and just firing two awesome heavy weapons.
/hypocrite

This...

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

I use the Destroyer alot and beleive me if that pylon is closer, my slow butt is going there for ammo, and yes I have 2 frag grenades and may get one from the pylon. But think about it, my big shielded butt is normally closer to the enemy than you, so I am your cover. My frags are only used in oh crap there's 2 phantom or overwhelming horde style moments. So when I retreat to your pylon and get ammo instead of stepping into the enemy horde at the nearest box, do NOT whine that I also grabbed a precious grenade because it will go into thinning down that horde before it reaches you, therefore making it easier for your MORE squishy girl to fend off our backup position. In advance, thank you for the ammo reload and the nades, and you ARE WELCOME for ME keeping the horde from overwhelming YOU!

Except a Demolisher is better at crowd control than you are.

How about we just put down the Pylon and shoot our guns into space or run head first into a synch kill, since we're apparently incapable of defending ourselves?

[Poulpor]

A destroyer is better to kill a fantom with a grenade than the demolisher.. sorry.

Demolisher is good but the grenade do poor damage to health. if i see a demolisher at my pilon, i try to reply his grenade a little. Its easy in between round, ressuply the pilon and thats it.

Modifié par Poulpor, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[billy the squid]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

I use the Destroyer alot and beleive me if that pylon is closer, my slow butt is going there for ammo, and yes I have 2 frag grenades and may get one from the pylon. But think about it, my big shielded butt is normally closer to the enemy than you, so I am your cover. My frags are only used in oh crap there's 2 phantom or overwhelming horde style moments. So when I retreat to your pylon and get ammo instead of stepping into the enemy horde at the nearest box, do NOT whine that I also grabbed a precious grenade because it will go into thinning down that horde before it reaches you, therefore making it easier for your MORE squishy girl to fend off our backup position. In advance, thank you for the ammo reload and the nades, and you ARE WELCOME for ME keeping the horde from overwhelming YOU!

Hahaha,*facepalm* The daft is strong with you.

Say it with me Demolishers... Grenade Spam. It makes things die fast. The day I need you to save me from getting overrun when I'm running around with a Harrier and half a dozen grenades is the day I try to play drunk by falling on the controller with my face.

I'll keep my grenades and ammo for myself thanks, and don't try dry humping me when I'm sitting on the pylon. Besides actually hiding behind cover is effective at stoping you from dying, just thought I'd point that out incase you missed it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:30 .

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Poulpor wrote...

A destroyer is better to kill a fantom with a grenade than the demolisher.. sorry.

Demolisher is good but the grenade do poor damage to health. if i see a demolisher at my pilon, i try to reply his grenade a little. Its easy in between round, ressuply the pilon and thats it.

I have every character maxed out, cupcake. A Destroyer with the Piranha X and Typhoon and Frags is simply outclassed by spammed Arc and Homing Grenades by a Demolisher.

Nice try, though.

[Poulpor]

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Poulpor wrote...

A destroyer is better to kill a fantom with a grenade than the demolisher.. sorry.

Demolisher is good but the grenade do poor damage to health. if i see a demolisher at my pilon, i try to reply his grenade a little. Its easy in between round, ressuply the pilon and thats it.

I have every character maxed out, cupcake. A Destroyer with the Piranha X and Typhoon and Frags is simply outclassed by spammed Arc and Homing Grenades by a Demolisher.

Nice try, though.

Play a little more, you have a really bad manifest..( cheat inside ? )

You forget one things.. the Destroyer have +2000Newton force, wich stop any enemy progression.

Nice try

Modifié par Poulpor, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:35 .

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Poulpor wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Poulpor wrote...
A destroyer is better to kill a fantom with a grenade than the demolisher.. sorry.
Demolisher is good but the grenade do poor damage to health. if i see a demolisher at my pilon, i try to reply his grenade a little. Its easy in between round, ressuply the pilon and thats it.

I have every character maxed out, cupcake. A Destroyer with the Piranha X and Typhoon and Frags is simply outclassed by spammed Arc and Homing Grenades by a Demolisher.
Nice try, though.

Play a little more, you have a really bad manifest..( cheat inside ? )
Nice try

I have a bad manifest? How so?
Every rare weapon at X, 7 total Commendation weapons.
Every character maxed.
Tons of consumables that I rarely use?

It doesn't really do justice to my 17-Full Extraction Platinum streak on maps other than White or Glacier, haha!

[snfonseka]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

I use the Destroyer alot and beleive me if that pylon is closer, my slow butt is going there for ammo, and yes I have 2 frag grenades and may get one from the pylon. But think about it, my big shielded butt is normally closer to the enemy than you, so I am your cover. My frags are only used in oh crap there's 2 phantom or overwhelming horde style moments. So when I retreat to your pylon and get ammo instead of stepping into the enemy horde at the nearest box, do NOT whine that I also grabbed a precious grenade because it will go into thinning down that horde before it reaches you, therefore making it easier for your MORE squishy girl to fend off our backup position. In advance, thank you for the ammo reload and the nades, and you ARE WELCOME for ME keeping the horde from overwhelming YOU!

As a one who plays as a Destroyer, I have to say that this guy is over reaching....

Modifié par snfonseka, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:36 .

[Emissary of the Collectors]

The Destroyer's MFGs are inaccurate at anything but 2 feet in a narrow space, by that time the Phantom has already killed you

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Poulpor wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

Poulpor wrote...
A destroyer is better to kill a fantom with a grenade than the demolisher.. sorry.
Demolisher is good but the grenade do poor damage to health. if i see a demolisher at my pilon, i try to reply his grenade a little. Its easy in between round, ressuply the pilon and thats it.

I have every character maxed out, cupcake. A Destroyer with the Piranha X and Typhoon and Frags is simply outclassed by spammed Arc and Homing Grenades by a Demolisher.
Nice try, though.

Play a little more, you have a really bad manifest..( cheat inside ? )
You forget one things.. the Destroyer have +2000Newton force, wich stop any enemy progression.
Nice try

I like the edit.
Haha, yes, I don't have every weapon and Equip like you do at X/V but I also don't spend my money. I have 9.3 million credits just sitting there, because I'd get too bored opening all those PSPs.
Hoarding a bunch of stuff doesn't mean I suck at gaming, just because my Manifest hasn't reduced me to Ammo IV drops.
Your lack of applicable logic is amusing.

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

snfonseka wrote...

Kingston Atticus wrote...

I use the Destroyer alot and beleive me if that pylon is closer, my slow butt is going there for ammo, and yes I have 2 frag grenades and may get one from the pylon. But think about it, my big shielded butt is normally closer to the enemy than you, so I am your cover. My frags are only used in oh crap there's 2 phantom or overwhelming horde style moments. So when I retreat to your pylon and get ammo instead of stepping into the enemy horde at the nearest box, do NOT whine that I also grabbed a precious grenade because it will go into thinning down that horde before it reaches you, therefore making it easier for your MORE squishy girl to fend off our backup position. In advance, thank you for the ammo reload and the nades, and you ARE WELCOME for ME keeping the horde from overwhelming YOU!

As a one who plays as a Destroyer, I have to say that this guy is over reaching....

I, too, love the Destroyer. He's not a wall. He's a turret with a punishment level.

[ParatrooperSean]

billy the squid wrote...

Kingston Atticus wrote...

I use the Destroyer alot and beleive me if that pylon is closer, my slow butt is going there for ammo, and yes I have 2 frag grenades and may get one from the pylon. But think about it, my big shielded butt is normally closer to the enemy than you, so I am your cover. My frags are only used in oh crap there's 2 phantom or overwhelming horde style moments. So when I retreat to your pylon and get ammo instead of stepping into the enemy horde at the nearest box, do NOT whine that I also grabbed a precious grenade because it will go into thinning down that horde before it reaches you, therefore making it easier for your MORE squishy girl to fend off our backup position. In advance, thank you for the ammo reload and the nades, and you ARE WELCOME for ME keeping the horde from overwhelming YOU!

Hahaha,*facepalm* The daft is strong with you.

Say it with me Demolishers... Grenade Spam. It makes things die fast. The day I need you to save me from getting overrun when I'm running around with a Harrier and half a dozen grenades is the day I try to play drunk by falling on the controller with my face.

I'll keep my grenades and ammo for myself thanks, and don't try dry humping me when I'm sitting on the pylon. Besides actually hiding behind cover is effective at stoping you from dying, just thought I'd point that out incase you missed it.

I play both, and I play my Destroyer more often. They both do massive damage. Who does more really depends on the player, the map or any number of scenarios.

But who does more damage is really irrelevant. The Destroyer has the survivability to run all over the map from ammo point to ammo point. The Destroyer has massive weapons buffs.

The Demo has zero class related weapons buffs, zero powers without grenades, she's extremely squishy and it's her freaking pylon. And he says the Demo should be greatful he wants to reduce her to a fragile grenade factory because he's too lazy to go get his own ammo?

Something else that's missed in this whole conversation is that when the Demo is grabbing grenades from her pylon she's not grabbing grenades from the ammo points, which frees up more for others.

[j_plemons]

Use light weapons, drop more grenades more often, plenty for everyone.

[ParatrooperSean]

j_plemons wrote...

Use light weapons, drop more grenades more often, plenty for everyone.

Are you sharing how you prefer to play the class or are you dictating to others how they should play?

[billy the squid]

j_plemons wrote...

Use light weapons, drop more grenades more often, plenty for everyone.

Doesn't quite work like that, as I don't feel any inclination to keep droping the pylon eveytime the cooldown is ready for the benefit of everyone else.

[RamPuppy]

upinya slayin wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

RamPuppy wrote...

guys, if these people haven't figured out a demolisher needs her nades after 20 pages on this topic, and what, 40 or 50 pages throughout other topics - they are not going to. your wasting your time.

I'd say the problem is that people haven't figured out that the Demolisher doesn't need to hoard every single one of her nades.

exactly. last i chekced you can still equip a gun on it right? i mean its not the only character that isn't allowed a gun and therefor can do nothing without grenades right? Also it doens't have  any power that hurts cooldown so you can carry 2 guns as heavy as you want. If you can't kill with 2 awesome guns then you shouldn't be playing that difficulty

Your response shows your ignorance of the class - cooldown is important - therefore we carry one gun - usualy of light or moderate weight. Demolishers don't have any class passive buffs to weapons, unless we choose to camp a pylon that has that - and honestly - most of us choose nades.

And if you had read my earlier posts- you would know i am not adverse to sharing as long as i can keep my demolisher stocked.  Your checking into a thread late re-hashing ignorant arguments that have already been swatted aside by simple logic.

It just proves my point - all this was covered in the first few threads - yet here, 20 - 22 pages in - the same crap is being spouted. 

The vast difference between MANY (Not ALL) of the Hoarders and the Nade Slavers is this - the hoarders have been burned by the slavers, and the slavers haven't played the class. 

I predict this argument will die as more and more people get Demolishers and find themselves nadeless or getting killed trying to find nades as people camp their pylon.

It's simple really - neither extreme is right - there is a happy middle.  If you find yourself arguing an extreme or an absolute your pretty much going to find out the hard way your wrong most of the time.

[j_plemons]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Use light weapons, drop more grenades more often, plenty for everyone.

Are you sharing how you prefer to play the class or are you dictating to others how they should play?

Dictating how you should play, if you dont I will cut off your internet.  You have been warned.

Modifié par j_plemons, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:26 .

[Guglio08]

Cheng Chao An wrote...

Ok here is a solution, for every grenade you take from my supply pylon, I want 10 000 credits. This arent no charity, I have 6 space hamsters to feed.

[RamPuppy]

j_plemons wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

j_plemons wrote...

Use light weapons, drop more grenades more often, plenty for everyone.

Are you sharing how you prefer to play the class or are you dictating to others how they should play?

Dictating how you should play, if you dont I will cut off your internet.  You have been warned.

That sir was full of bad ****ery.

[ParatrooperSean]

I don't know how to search posts, but the very first thread I saw debating this topic I initially sided with the "they must share" crowd. I quickly reversed my opinion after reading two or three posts explaining why the Demolisher should get priority over her grenades.

Nobody is saying she shouldn't share, just that she gets priority. There would almost never be a time when she can't share any grenades, ever. But the notion that players who don't create the pylon, who have other powers, weapons buffs and are much more durable have just as much a right to them as the Demolisher is absurd.