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[RamPuppy]

Dear Bioware:

Please nerf the demolisher - apparently you made a mistake by giving it grenade powers. People on the forum say were not supposed to use them. Also - since were only allowed to support - can we change the melee animation so she's wielding a nerf sword or axe? that would be epic. Oh - please also remove the ability to fire weapons - because were supposed to be pedantically waiting to drop our pylon near a REAL damage dealer - we shouldn't be shooting - but watching and waiting for "Need Clips!".

I just want to play it right - but you make it so easy to play it wrong... damn you bioware! damn you!

/sarcasm

[AshirahTSparkle]

RamPuppy wrote...

Demolisher = Support Character = Not allowed to play how you want.

Everyone thinking this - i salute your brilliant well thought out arguments for not allowing a class to be played with all its powers.

As i have said time and time again - i'll freesly share my grenades when you stop using all your powers and skills. cause thats what your asking.

This, though I am starting to see a pattern in these threads. It's mostly one extreme side arguing against Demolishers who thinks that others are hogging pylons too much and deny them their grenades. I do believe many Demolishers out there (including the OP) are okay with sharing and whatnot, it's being denying your grenade all the time by the "Demolisher is a SUPPORT class and my personal grenade-replenishing slave!!" people that annoys Demolishers. When we ask that we need grenades too and to not hog it, we get bombarded instead by these people "YOU SUPPORT class! SLAVE PROVIDE GRENADE FOR ME!". It's getting really tiring.

[AshirahTSparkle]

Atrumitos wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Wow so many demolishers seem to think they are better than everyone else. I think many QMEs are having a secret laugh

They can keep laughing while they're running to the nearest box

You tell 'em brodda!

[Computron2000]

Atrumitos wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Wow so many demolishers seem to think they are better than everyone else. I think many QMEs are having a secret laugh

They can keep laughing while they're running to the nearest box

Thats good, because probably no one will revive you when you run out of grenades in your little camp and get whacked. Still most will come running to the rest like a puppy wanting protection from the big bad enemies 

[Princess Rolf]

Poulpor wrote...

You not a good teammate, i hope i never join your game.

If i have the demolisher, i do my best to refill my team and resupply the pilon every time the cooldown is on.
You also have 5 ammo capacity = 50 grenade

You sir, are so so so wrong! Use your own restock consumables. Why the hell should I need to use my consumalbes, when I have a power to stock me up??? Run to the ammo box like you always do/used to, and let my Pylon support me. You get ammo, and shieldrestore, and extra damage from my Pylon as is, so just shut it.

[vinlandhammer]

i get tired of having to revive demolisher campers that never leave beyond the pylon radius and force each squadmate to spread out for ammo crates making more easy to get kill. having this type of squadmate on Gold matches its like playing with 3 players only ...... just my thought

[Princess Rolf]

Schneidend wrote...

Look. I like spamming grenades as much as the next guy, but when you're playing Demolisher you need to let the Destroyers, Batarians, Kroldiers, Drell, and Vorchinels grab nades too!

No they can get nades the oldfashioned way, like... I don´t know... maybe run to ammoboxes and/or use a restock-consumable.

[RamPuppy]

AshirahTSparkle - your dead on. I don't have a problem sharing - i have a problem going for WAVES without grenades or having to risk a run to an ammo box with my girl of glass because someone wont stop hoggin my nades. Pylon spamming mititgates it some - but i still believe my time is for the most part better spent killing from cover buffed by my pylon.

Its to the point now that i spend the last 30 seconds or so of a wave, the time between waves, and the first few seconds of a wave spamming my pylon trying to get more nades out. That is actually OK.. it does not bother me.

I actually played last night with a Krogan on FBVGR that kept running off and dieing - i asked why he kept leaving the team "to get ammo" to which i replied "I got a pylon bro - just ask" to which he said "I don't want to take your nades" i sighed - this is how out of control this argument is - you need ammo or nades - come get it - but if i ask you to give me a few to restock - please respect that - and i WILL give you warning - or i will wait for a lull - if neither is forthcoming - ops pack - just like you should do.

needless to say i told him to come dine at my ammo candy store and the match went much better after that.

[Yajuu Omoi]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Let me get this straight. You play a support character, and then you get pissed when people expect to be supported.

Riiiiiight.

Its NOT a support class! It CAN be but is not always! Its like the Geth Turret, it can be offensive or supportive.

The Pylon can either refuel the Engineers nades, or keep everyone at high shields.

The Demolisher RELIES on those nades! otherwise it would only be able to use its "powers" a TOTAL 4 time per game without running to an ammo box!!!

They NEED that Pylon. Period.

Princess Rolf wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Look. I like spamming grenades as much as the next guy, but when you're playing Demolisher you need to let the Destroyers, Batarians, Kroldiers, Drell, and Vorchinels grab nades too!

No they can get nades the oldfashioned way, like... I don´t know... maybe run to ammoboxes and/or use a restock-consumable.

 

You mean like...they had to before the Demolishers showed up??...what a thought...

Seriously...why don't people understand that?

Its like once a Demolisher shows up, people think the ammo boxes go away... 

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .

[Atrumitos]

No one will revive me because I am not letting the quarian hog my nades? Is the quarian doing sex favors to the rest of the team in between his runs to the ammo box while laughing? If so, I have boobs.


As a sidenote, I'm usually the one doing the protecting from the big bad enemies. I have that magic box that spawns exploding apples that make bosses of all sorts stagger and melt! Go figure! I actually sit on it and spam those things on bosses and BOOOM they die! Granted I need to use my gun on them too, but details.

[AshTheBrave]

vinlandhammer wrote...

i get tired of having to revive demolisher campers that never leave beyond the pylon radius and force each squadmate to spread out for ammo crates making more easy to get kill. having this type of squadmate on Gold matches its like playing with 3 players only ...... just my thought

Actually everyone needs to stay in the pylon's warm glow. I can keep everyone supplied with grenades just don't leave the Almighty Pylon:devil:. Dying and resurrectiing every 9.23 seconds.

Modifié par AshTheBrave, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:49 .

[przemko877]

Oh excuse me. You mean that the class named: "DEMOLISHER" is a supporter class? Shouldn't it be called, I don't know "Granade Support" or "Free Ammo"? She's called demolisher becouse she's destroying things. With her granades. And without those granades she's nothing.

[PostJazzCore]

I just stand directly on top of my pylon. Good luck getting any of my grenades! Ha-Ha.

[AldarionnEB]

vinlandhammer wrote...

i get tired of having to revive demolisher campers that never leave beyond the pylon radius and force each squadmate to spread out for ammo crates making more easy to get kill. having this type of squadmate on Gold matches its like playing with 3 players only ...... just my thought

Again, let me make the distinction.

On a normal match (IE U/U/G) I play the class differently than I do on a FARM match (FBW/G/G). On a NORMAL match, I place the Pylon conveniently and while I hit it up often enough because I use grenades as a primary means of dealing damage, I also hit up ammo boxes and move the pylon whenever necessary to support the group. Notmally there are no problems when I do this because most of the time on U/U/G people have active mics and keep in communication with me.

On a FARM match, I get dive-bombed by people wanting to just camp my Pylon and not let anyone else use it, including me. They see me as a grenade slave. Enough of my games are farm matches (because that's what I get paired into more than half the time) that it's becoming annoying, especially when people try to kick me from the match for not letting them hog my Pylon.

Having a reasonable cooldown on the Pylon lets me move it often enough that I can keep up with the team and support myself as well as others. I use a Harrier for this reason. It's light, and my Pylon gives me enough ammo that I don't have to constantly be tied down to a box. If you have a problem with that style of play, then I would say you problably have not played with someone who actually knows how to play a Demolisher correctly

[elessarz]

If your plan as a Demolisher is to bunker up somewhere hugging your pylon, you're playing the wrong game. One way or the other, I am going to steal your grenades.

I promise.

[sharif227]

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Modifié par sharif227, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[RamPuppy]

[quote]Princess Rolf wrote...

[quote]Schneidend wrote...

Look. I like spamming grenades as much as the next guy, but when you're playing Demolisher you need to let the Destroyers, Batarians, Kroldiers, Drell, and Vorchinels grab nades too![/quote]

No they can get nades the oldfashioned way, like... I don´t know... maybe run to ammoboxes and/or use a restock-consumable.

[/quote]

Asking a demolisher to not spam grenades is like asking a drell not to spam reave, a vanguard not to charge, and adept not to throw... its short sited.

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

[quote]Atrumitos wrote...

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...
Thats good, because probably no one will revive you when you run out of grenades in your little camp and get whacked. Still most will come running to the rest like a puppy wanting protection from the big bad enemies [/quote]

You obviously don't understand the demolisher class or havent played with good ones... when the big bads show up - my team calls me up to strip the sheilds and sunder the armor. I rarely go down (nor do I camp if I can avoid it) and when my team mates go down - if it's a hot revive we usually send in a heavier class, w/ grenades raining down to cover the revive and extract. Maybe you haven't experienced that because your Demolisher is starving.

[Atrumitos]

On a more serious note. The pylon is relatively spammable. I'm not spamming it for another engineer with pretty much the same powers as me. Such an engineer shouldn't even be in the game. I'm spamming it for myself or the destroyers/turians in my group, or when I hear the dreaded "Need ammo!" from a squadmate.

The demolisher is weak when out of cover. Who would have guessed! She's like a damn shadow when it comes to durability. I'd rather stick to my pylon, but if I can't, well no biggie. I just deploy it left and right as I go, resupply myself with nades and ammo for whoever needs it (objectives tend to make this tactic necessary).

She's great at everything. Just doesn't perform well when an ally is hogging her nades. If he's making reasonable use of them though, it's all good.

I hate demolishers who hog their ammo as much as anyone else. The class has almost no weapon passives/boosts, so yeah you can be damn sure the turian/destroyer/soldier/sentinel would do way better than you when being supplied by that ammo box.

The best game I've had so far was with a guy who understood how the damn class works. He sat next to me (destroyer btw) and I put the pylon under him. I got the nades, he got the ammo. I used my weapon with care and mostly used my nades, while spamming the pylon when possible. He only used his nades when stuff got crazy and close and everything went smooth as a baby's butt.

[AldarionnEB]

RamPuppy wrote...

AshirahTSparkle - your dead on. I don't have a problem sharing - i have a problem going for WAVES without grenades or having to risk a run to an ammo box with my girl of glass because someone wont stop hoggin my nades. Pylon spamming mititgates it some - but i still believe my time is for the most part better spent killing from cover buffed by my pylon.

Its to the point now that i spend the last 30 seconds or so of a wave, the time between waves, and the first few seconds of a wave spamming my pylon trying to get more nades out. That is actually OK.. it does not bother me.

I actually played last night with a Krogan on FBVGR that kept running off and dieing - i asked why he kept leaving the team "to get ammo" to which i replied "I got a pylon bro - just ask" to which he said "I don't want to take your nades" i sighed - this is how out of control this argument is - you need ammo or nades - come get it - but if i ask you to give me a few to restock - please respect that - and i WILL give you warning - or i will wait for a lull - if neither is forthcoming - ops pack - just like you should do.

needless to say i told him to come dine at my ammo candy store and the match went much better after that.

Dead on! You sir are wise in the ways of the Demolisher. I don't have a problem sharing. I just don't like being taken advantage of and forced to never benefit from my own bloody class ability!

[sharif227]

when i play as my destroyer my demolisher buddy always has grenades for me whenever we do two player gold

[Schneidend]

Atrumitos wrote...

Not conserving nades. Every nade on the floor is a waste of time.

Still if he can do it that much better and faster, like they say the Quarian male can, then by all means, allow me to relax and let them do their own stuff and carry me. Promise I'll rez them when they need me to.

If you're not going to bother holding onto your grenades for appropriate times to throw them, people taking your grenades obviously isn't the problem.

And, heaven forbid you actually work in concert and synergize with other classes. Don't whine like a child when a Destroyer takes a trip to your pylon. Throw an Arc Grenade and tell him to detonate your Tech Burst with his Multi-Frag.

[miraclemight]

Let me get this straight. We have people here who are annoyed that Demolishers stay near their pylon and 'force other squad members to spread out for ammo crates'? Didn't we all use to do that before the Earth DLC came out? Now picking up your own ammo has become a chore?

[speedmetal890]

Isn't this a team game
come on people... Share... But don't over stay your welcome...

on gold, need a clip ill take from a pylon... But I won't take from it if I don't need it.

but I will say.. I have played with a demo as a solider... The pylon wasn't enough for him... emptied the crates too... so it does work both ways..

[Schneidend]

RamPuppy wrote...

Asking a demolisher to not spam grenades is like asking a drell not to spam reave, a vanguard not to charge, and adept not to throw... its short sited.

Seeing as I'm usually the one playing the Demolisher in my group, I'm not asking a Demolisher to do anything at all. I devastate huge crowds of enemies on a regular basis, but I also don't throw a self-entitled hissy fit every time a drell walks over my pylon. There's a balance that can be achieved, here.

[DayusMakhina]

Jinx1720 wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

 People's attitudes to Demolishers are just pathetic really.

The player is fully entitled to play the game however they want... if they want to grenade spam it's their choice, if they want to leave it more for other teammates that is equally their choice. None of you that complain that it's a support character and should therefore support others have any right whatsoever to tell somebody how they should play the game.

True, but you can't stop me from replenishing ammo and grenades from "YOUR" box either. The only valuable thing about this class (encountered it only on FBWGP sessions) is that you don't have to leave your cover and be exposed to enemy fire.

I plainly find this "DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY SUPPLY PYLON" attitude quite annoying and I, too, hope I will never come across you in MP.

Nor would I attempt to stop you. If i've left my supply pylon up and am not sat or stood by it then it's pretty evident that anyone can make use of it... BUT if i'm sat directly on it it's also pretty evident that i'm making use of it, thus if people attempt to 'shoot me' or attract my attention to make me move away I won't, not unless im adequately stocked up as it as and just haven't yet moved away. 

Those that expect Demolishers to give up their pylons to satisfy their own thirst for nades are selfish and have no right to moan when Demolishers dont. Equally, Demolishers that refuse to ever let anyone touch their pylon no matter what are also selfish.

I too find the "DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY SUPPLY PLYON" attitude quite annoying; about as annoying as I equally find the "Demolishers are a support character", which is a lot. As I said before, people have a right to play however they want. Those that moan and whine about others whom are just trying to enjoy playing a game need to grow up.