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[SgtAmazing]

My character level 20 plus Grenade Capacity V in gear totals 11 grenades (taking max damage in grenade abilities,) and my pylon spits out two at a time. Not spamming grenades keeps a lot in reserves for when needed, I usually try to keep at a minimum of 6 for bosses. If I have to use a thermal pack, I usually only use up to two a match. With that being said, I dont run into this problem much unless 3 or 4 members of the group are grenade users, or there are only two (including myself) and the other player hovers around the supply pylon taking all of the grenades.

I can see both sides of this. I dont mind sharing as it usually takes 4 people to get through a Gold or Platinum (except for a few who can do them by themselves.) Just dont hover around a Demolisher's supply pylon trying to get all of the grenades as the Demolisher only has grenades as her powers.

Bottom line, get on the headset and talk to the rest of the team and get a game plan. If you need to get grenades from the pylon, talk to the demolisher. If your the demolisher, let everyone else know if it is a problem and you are constantly out of grenades. This, believe it or not, does work most of the time.

I actually believe most problems with other players can be solved by communication during the match. If the problem player(s) ignore your requests / advice, that's when you kick them out and block / avoid that player through your console settings.

[przemko877]

I don't need ammo/granades from pylon becouse I've got spare thermal clips. With the introduction of the Demolisher people are more spoiled than ever and suddenly cannot play properly without taking granades from pylon.

[Computron2000]

speedmetal890 wrote...
but I will say.. I have played with a demo as a solider... The pylon wasn't enough for him... emptied the crates too... so it does work both ways..

Yeah and the general view of demolishers is getting worse. I avoid their pylons now and have seen others do so as well.

When using a demolisher in pugs, as a sign of good faith i plant the pylon near the fella that looks most likely to camp but a handful of recent games had the guy actually move away out of the pylon radius after i placed it there. I'll go back to the human engineer instead.

[AshirahTSparkle]

Schneidend wrote...

RamPuppy wrote...

Asking a demolisher to not spam grenades is like asking a drell not to spam reave, a vanguard not to charge, and adept not to throw... its short sited.

Seeing as I'm usually the one playing the Demolisher in my group, I'm not asking a Demolisher to do anything at all. I devastate huge crowds of enemies on a regular basis, but I also don't throw a self-entitled hissy fit every time a drell walks over my pylon. There's a balance that can be achieved, here.

Again, you are missing the point. Read his latest post. They are all fine with a drell or anyone coming to get grenades. But when they hog the pylon ,that's where the hissy fit is justified.

Seriously people, do you have problem reading or something? Or are ya'll so into the whole "Demolisher is my slave" that you don't believe demolishers are fine with sharing, within reason? Seriously

[RamPuppy]

The argument here - is not the middle ground - it's the extremes.

Hoggers are an extreme response to Grenade Slavers. It's an issue that can easily be mitigated by a little understanding, and use of a microphone.

Here is another important point - If you are going into a match w/ a demolisher and going "OOOOH!" and then equipping Grenade Capacity V - you know - your NEVER going to get it filled up. Because chances are - that Demo has GCV on as well - and you have just created an environment where there will be a competition - ammo boxes and pylons together cannot keep you topped off.

I can hold 11 Grenades in my Demo's pockets - but I only expect, and demand, that there be 11 in there at the start of waves 6 & 10. If I'm at Capacity 11 and hovering around 5 or 6 at any given time - and your at 4, hovering aroudn 2 at any given time - were good. You should always have one for emergencies - so when you get down to one or two - come visit my shop.

If your carrying - say - 7 grenades - and your constantly at 7, and im having a hard time getting above 2 - then were in a bad situation - you need to chill and give me time to rebuild my stock pile.

Notice though - in those situations - I'm never saying NO - you can't have em.

[InvincibleHero]

I try to save grendes for judicious use on all classes not spam the heck out of them like everyone else. The only time I run dry is hack objectives to save the team. Too many people unload them all in wave 1 and expect the demolisher to be their restock so they can top the scoreboard.

The demolisher needs them period. All of their powers are reliant on them. Their grenades have debuffs that helps the team.

If I have no need help yourself by all means. I will respawn and fill myself if needed. If it is sitting there empty take them they will spawn more about time someone else wanders by. you can camp in the spot for the excellent buffs. I always spec mine for range and +15 % weapons damage. Please do not hog all the ammo for yourself.

It is amazing people yell about demolisher hogging when they want to do the same. They hit the ammo boxes before anyone else and expect to take yours as well. If a demolisher camps it frees you to resupply as you always did. That is a plus that they are not competing for supplies unlike before.

If there are more than two greande users I will leave the lobby because I almost always play U/U when hosting unless a friend requests something. If you get a low grenade map everyone suffers.

If people didn't spam it would be fine.

[ryoldschool]

Its funny, but the main support I play when using the demolisher is to allow anyone with a harrier to refresh his ammo. When I play with the typhoon, I will never run out of ammo ( I have ammo mod on gun ) or grenades, but grenades is an integral part of the class play. Pylon generates a lot of grenades, but I am constantly throwing them to get tech bursts ( one then the other ). If a drell adept wants to use a lot of grenades, then have them use the ammo clips and ammo boxes like I do when I play the drell adept.

As somebody mentioned in one of these threads, how would an asari justicar like it if somebody took a cooldown from their reave every once in a while because they needed it?

[RamPuppy]

I should also be clear - the worst case of someone camping my pylon and stealing my nades was another demolisher.

You think it's slightly annoying to have another awesome grenade class like the destroyer or MQE or Drell camp your nades - it's 10 times more annoying watching a demolisher do the same and waste them on things like swarmers.

That was partially my fault - i was to new to the class at that point to come up w/ an idea fast. In the end i moved it, he followed, i moved it again - we rinsed repeated, and since he didn't have a microphone - i couldn't say anything - so we just kicked him at the end of the match.

[BouncyFrag]

You can always troll the grenade moochers by putting your pylon on the other side of the map with atlases and phantoms in close proximity so no one can use it. Is this petty? Yes. Is this childish? Yes again. Is this bad for the team? Absolutely, but deep down it just feels so right.

[Atrumitos]

Schneidend wrote...

If you're not going to bother holding onto your grenades for appropriate times to throw them, people taking your grenades obviously isn't the problem.

And, heaven forbid you actually work in concert and synergize with other classes. Don't whine like a child when a Destroyer takes a trip to your pylon. Throw an Arc Grenade and tell him to detonate your Tech Burst with his Multi-Frag.

I stick the pylon in the destroyer's butt! Seriously, destro needs his ammo. I sit next to him and pick up the nades. I don't want to see a destroy spamming nades instead of using his guns though. I saw one who didn't even have his mode on. He just threw nades all the time thanks to the pylon I gave him. I just put it under me next time.

Every class should perform its role. Mine is nades and debuffing. Nobody takes that away from me. Simple as that.

As for people taking my grenades not being the problem, when the bosses come 3+ at a time, yes taking my nades is hurting me.

[HafniumMR]

If there's a demolisher sitting on their pylon for the grenades, that just means there are more grenades for you in the ammo boxes. If demolishers didn't have the pylon, they would constantly have to raid ammo boxes.

[punkt]

WickedTruth 823 wrote...

 If I ever see OP in one of my lobbies he will be kicked to the curb quicker then he found his way in. Demolisher is a support class. NOT A DAMAGE DEALER. Done end of story. She is meant to feed a destroyer class along with the destroyer's Typhoon. Just like me and a bud did last night. He had a demolisher with a Typhoon and I had my destroyer out. You act like grenades are tottally epic and kill everything fast. Base characters maybe. 

Another Douchebag demolisher being greedy right here... 

There's actually a way out: You can have all the ammo my pylon spits out. I need the nades. Win-win:

(1) The Destroyer is a walking turret who needs ammo, ammo and ammo. He's usually specced for weapon damage and chews through enemies with his big ****ing gun. The Multi-Frage Granade damage on the other hand....
(2) The Demolisher is a nade spammer who needs nades, nades and nades. She's usually specced for power damage to maximize her grenade damage and she's equipped with the grenade capacity gear. Her weapon damage on the other hand....

You do a lot more weapon damage. I do more damage with my nades. See the point?

Solution: Don't camp where the grenades are spit out. Or, if you should need the extra shield the pylon provides, don't use too many of your own grenades or specialize in the glitter cannon. You can have all my ammo. But grab the grenades with care.

Outcome: Everything's going to be dead faster.

[AsheraII]

Oh, simple solution: Demolishers can spec out of their pylon if you like? No more pylon hugging, and by the time the rest figures it out, it's too late for them and the Demolisher worked out a nice round to grab all the nades the old fashioned way.

[fulcrum290]

PLAY WITH 4 DEMOLISHER.

PROBLEM SOLVED

I’MA FIRIN’ MAH GRENADES

[TAlTAl]

Relix28 wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

LLMAOOOO

[BouncyFrag]

fulcrum290 wrote...

PLAY WITH 4 DEMOLISHER.

PROBLEM SOLVED

I’MA FIRIN’ MAH GRENADES

I had a FBWGG match with three other Demolishers the other night. It was glorious. So many grenades.

[Sevrun]

Kenadian wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

This is why I don't play my Demo any more. The score ****s feel the need to try and bump you off it any chance they get, as if they are _ENTITLED_ to your supplies. Makes me feel like I'm playing a Space Commie.

You know where the boxes are, ****s! You've used them just fine before my demodyke showed up. I'll supply my team if/when I can. But make no mistake when it begins to interfere with my ability to play, I'm cutting you off, you little nade junkies.

Using one extreme to counter another is idiotic. You should get first priority, but don't be stingy if a teammate needs a grenade or some clips. Especially clips, as they regenerate faster.

I believe that's exactly what I said I do, but thank you for inserting your own meaning into my words as an excuse to call me an idiot.  I really appreciate such asnine attitudes.

[Schneidend]

 

AshirahTSparkle wrote...

Again, you are missing the point. Read his latest post. They are all fine with a drell or anyone coming to get grenades. But when they hog the pylon ,that's where the hissy fit is justified. 

Seriously people, do you have problem reading or something? Or are ya'll so into the whole "Demolisher is my slave" that you don't believe demolishers are fine with sharing, within reason? Seriously

Set up the pylon elsewhere if you think your team is getting too friendly with it. That's what I do.

Also, it'd be difficult to be my own slave. I'm usually the only Demolisher in my groups. 

Atrumitos wrote...

I stick the pylon in the destroyer's butt! Seriously, destro needs his ammo. I sit next to him and pick up the nades. I don't want to see a destroy spamming nades instead of using his guns though. I saw one who didn't even have his mode on. He just threw nades all the time thanks to the pylon I gave him. I just put it under me next time.

Every class should perform its role. Mine is nades and debuffing. Nobody takes that away from me. Simple as that.

As for people taking my grenades not being the problem, when the bosses come 3+ at a time, yes taking my nades is hurting me.

Set up elsewhere, hit the ammo boxes, use the 255 Thermal Clips gathering dust in your inventory. There are solutions. Use them. I always do when I play Demolisher.

[AshTheBrave]

SgtAmazing wrote...

Bottom line, get on the headset and talk to the rest of the team and get a game plan. If you need to get grenades from the pylon, talk to the demolisher. If your the demolisher, let everyone else know if it is a problem and you are constantly out of grenades. This, believe it or not, does work most of the time.

I actually believe most problems with other players can be solved by communication during the match. If the problem player(s) ignore your requests / advice, that's when you kick them out and block / avoid that player through your console settings.

I think people just assume the worst and don't bother talking to people. I always try to make sure people know where the pylon is and to let me know if they need grenades. Just talk to each other. Most of us won't give you kooties.

Modifié par AshTheBrave, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:32 .

[don of all dons]

Why is it every time I'm in the supply pylon YOU in the supply pylon? TAKING up ALL the grenades
Taking up all the arc grenades
Talking up all the inferno grenades
Taking up all the Frag grenades!

I like Arc grenades!
I like Frag Grenades!!
I like inferno Grenades!!!

[Pacificsharp09]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Let me get this straight. You play a support character, and then you get pissed when people expect to be supported.

Riiiiiight.

I do not see this as a support class at all. Those grenades are hers. They are her only damaging ability and they belong with her. If you have a character that uses grenades go to the ammo boxes and get your own.
 If I am playing a Demolisher it is not to support you.

Modifié par Pacificsharp09, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[Sharky_Z]

Blah, when I play my destroyer I never needed a pylon, its not that hard to get to an ammo box, and I have 255 thermal clips. hell I melt stuff with my gun so much I go for rounds without firing a grenade.

I think the best solution is for the demo to be able to regen teammates' ammo by shooting at them. If you heavy melee them they get a grenade. then I can just sit there and shoot and punch these people saying we're a "support" class.

Enkindle THIS!

[MoeRayShep]

Created my own thread regarding the Demolisher and how to fix her.
Not very happy with the caliber of discussion currently going on there, hopefully this shameless plug will forward some meaningful input to it.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

The Demo has the best 2 Grenades in the game which compliment each other against any enemy, The Demo has No other powers besides grenades, without the grenades the team will perish as if they had only 3 players all because that destroyer needed more ammo for his multi-frag which misses 60% of the time. It SUPPORTS the team by keeping the enemy staggered, dazed, wounded, and shieldless, NOT by being a walking ammo box. I personally will share my pylon if my ally knows what they are doing but if you have Cluster, Lift, or Multi-frag stay away from my supply so that the team can actually get some kills

[bendermac]

RamPuppy wrote...


Here is another important point - If you are going into a match w/ a demolisher and going "OOOOH!" and then equipping Grenade Capacity V - you know - your NEVER going to get it filled up. Because chances are - that Demo has GCV on as well - and you have just created an environment where there will be a competition - ammo boxes and pylons together cannot keep you topped off.

camping: use grenade cap 5
mobile: use warfighter or shock tropper 5 (depends if you more a ar or sg user)

i prefer warfighter for my harrier and have a piranha as backup

btw, i just was kicked because i fooled around (just running around and annoy team mates with light melee) the first 3 rounds and very slowly began to play on wave 4. on wave 5 i got in full op-mode... end of game: 90.000 points on first place. 2nd had 85.000 points

feel the power of the mobile demolisher

Modifié par bendermac, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:54 .