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[GGW KillerTiger]

People just don't understand that the demolisher is a special kind of caster class. A grenade caster needs her grenades to be of use to the team. Just like a gun toting Destroyer needs his bullets to be of use to the team. If these 2 have to share their grenades/bullets with other classes then they end up being severly crippled.

[GGW KillerTiger]

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Suck it up, you're a support class, if i'm playing as a grenade class i'll follow you all I want. You need a quick 2 grenades? Recast it. Why do you think the power is called SUPPLY PYLON.

Put on a powerful weapon for when you run out of grenades and stop being such a little BEACH.

Great diea except .... BioWare nerfs the "powerful" weapons because fun is not allowed in ME3 MP as shown by all the nerf herders BioWare listens too. Anything a destroyer can use to help stay alive when out of grenades gets nerfed because it is "over powered" meaning it hurt someones epeen at some point because their biotic charachter/infiltrator/tech busrting psycho got outscored by it in a match ..... So erm yea ....

[WARMACHINE9]

OP=EPIC SQUADMATE FAIL. Demolisher=SUPPORT character.

[GGW KillerTiger]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

OP=EPIC SQUADMATE FAIL WIN. Demolisher=SUPPORT GRENADE CASTER character.

Fixed that for you

[Emissary of the Collectors]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

OP=EPIC SQUADMATE FAIL. Demolisher=SUPPORT character.

Supporting by throwing grenades, not by sitting in the corner doing nothing while everyne else throws grenades

[lord_nair]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Ya... A lot of people keep throwing this "support" word around, but I don't think you get what it means, most Support classes can support people WITH OUT worry over losing one ability. The Demo.. all she has are Grenades THAT IT! If she has NO GERNADES She has NO POWERS!

And there more way to support people then ,lending ammo, Like.. Oh I don't know Ripping the shield off of every enemy in the area with more ease then any Energy drain or Overload ever could do, Making a Boss armor into butter... as well as giving a nifty OMFG shield boost when needed.

As for people who say there a spam fest, What.. EXACLY do you want them to do? Not use Grenades? That there class mentality, To bunker down and grenade it from a far while taking pop shots, GET OVER IT! And FYI I rarely die unless it me having to pick up some one else. And if you hate the Demo spam.. then never play with Shadows Or Slayers.

With that said, I don't mind sharing ammo or Grenades.. But If some one hogging my only means to attack you bet I'm going to be pissed.

TC has the point, stealing grenades from Demolisher is a zero-sum tactics, stealing 1 grenade for you means the demolisher is going to be throwing 1 less grenade, which means at the end of the day the team gains NOTHING, only the person who stole the grenade gets more score, while the demolisher score suffers.
The demolisher (and any other classes) have the obligation to contribute to the team, but they have no obligation to sacrifice to make your score higher.

[Schneidend]

RecoonHoodie wrote...

If every single grenades hit, which means enemies must be close. 
The acurrate nature of Arc Grenades plus the auto-aim of Homing Grenades can send things to hell from larger range.

/shrug

If I run up to an Atlas and fire Multi-Frag up its backside, all grenades will hit.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Schneidend wrote...

RecoonHoodie wrote...

If every single grenades hit, which means enemies must be close. 
The acurrate nature of Arc Grenades plus the auto-aim of Homing Grenades can send things to hell from larger range.

/shrug

If I run up to an Atlas and fire Multi-Frag up its backside, all grenades will hit.

Then you die because you werent in cover, that atlas would be dead from across the map if the Demolisher wanted it dead

[reioni]

I sit on top of mine just for the shield bonus and weapon damage bonus. It's not that i'm even trying to hog all my nades and ammo. If other ppl arent smart enough to sit on it too just for the shields and bonus then idk what to tell you.

[DYarritu]

I play as demolisher and I know the others will grab ammo from my pylon, and that is the point, co-op, you have to beat the enemy with your teammates help, not outscore your  teammates...

When I play with friends I'll ask where do they think it will work better for ALL of us...

[Color n Book]

DayusMakhina wrote...

 People's attitudes to Demolishers are just pathetic really.

The player is fully entitled to play the game however they want... if they want to grenade spam it's their choice, if they want to leave it more for other teammates that is equally their choice. None of you that complain that it's a support character and should therefore support others have any right whatsoever to tell somebody how they should play the game.

On Bronze and Silver I would agree but doing U/U/G or even FBW/G/P I know I would a tad over upset if the Demolisher was throwing a fit over sharing ammo. But then again if teammates are just taking your ammo all the time and not running to boxes when its semi safe that's bad comradeship on their part also

[billy the squid]

BlackoutOmega wrote...

AshTheBrave wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...
Why do you think the power is called SUPPLY PYLON.

To supply the demolisher's grenade powers?

Yes, they added a pylon with a radius that can be increased JUST for the Demo, good job you win

^
And this is why I don't share the pylon with most other players.  Oh no! I didn't take that evolution! Sucks for you doesn't it, you'll just have to use that thermal clip consumable.

I've said this before but I think it applies here.

As a Demolisher I sit on the pylon and suck up the grenades and ammo, bite me people, I don't care. I'm using a Cerberus Harrier and I can spam grenades that turns boss armour into butter. Call it camping or whaterver you want, but it works. For all the whining of not being a team player, if I can hold the other side of the map on my own and stop the team getting flanked by 3 phantoms, geth pyros, marauders etc. then I've achieved what I set out to do.

Free everyone else up from getting swarmed, if it means I have to throw a missile in there to get a banshee's attention it comes with the territory. (Last game I had 3 phantoms chasing me while the rest of the team did the objectives, okay I died, but I stayed alive long enough to draw the phantoms away so the escort could succeed.

However, I do upsticks and move when the Hack objectives arrive. Plant the pylon behind some cover and turn the demolisher into a mobile gun turret. When it's finished then I'll move back to my original position and redeploy the pylon.

I don't mind the odd grenade or ammo borrowing by the team now and again. Especially Quarians with Arc grenades, that's all good. But last time I had a Krogan with lift grenades try to push me off the pylon. LIFT GRENADES! when nobody on the team could detonate the biotic primed target. Wasn't a problem, I just redeployed the Pylon 2 feet to the left and sat on it again. Passive resistance all the way demolisher users. Don't rage, get even.

[gimmethegepgun]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Suck it up, you're a support class, if i'm playing as a grenade class i'll follow you all I want. You need a quick 2 grenades? Recast it. Why do you think the power is called SUPPLY PYLON.

Put on a powerful weapon for when you run out of grenades and stop being such a little BEACH.

Great diea except .... BioWare nerfs the "powerful" weapons because fun is not allowed in ME3 MP as shown by all the nerf herders BioWare listens too. Anything a destroyer can use to help stay alive when out of grenades gets nerfed because it is "over powered" meaning it hurt someones epeen at some point because their biotic charachter/infiltrator/tech busrting psycho got outscored by it in a match ..... So erm yea ....

Hey, get your nerf herder/carebear flame war outta this thread, this thread is for the hoarder/nade slave flame war!

[dsprado956]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Let me get this straight. You play a support character, and then you get pissed when people expect to be supported.

Riiiiiight.

[TehMerc]

Drake Malice wrote...
Then you die because you werent in cover, that atlas would be dead from across the map if the Demolisher wanted it dead

If they used somewhere in the ballpark of 4 grenades, sure.

Anyway, just played a game where a Demo set up shop near the ammo box. Usually a good idea, a good spot to bunker down at, but they started grabbing the grenades from the box as soon as they spawned as well. So I was without grenades half the game as a Destroyer.

Do not use up the ammo boxes as well if you aren't going to be remotely helpful with your pylon.

And not enough people seem to know this: if you use the pylon again you get your ammo and grenades as soon as it lands again, even if it's up, start abusing this and leave the ammo boxes to the other grenade users.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

TehMerc wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...
Then you die because you werent in cover, that atlas would be dead from across the map if the Demolisher wanted it dead

If they used somewhere in the ballpark of 4 grenades, sure.

Anyway, just played a game where a Demo set up shop near the ammo box. Usually a good idea, a good spot to bunker down at, but they started grabbing the grenades from the box as soon as they spawned as well. So I was without grenades half the game as a Destroyer.

Do not use up the ammo boxes as well if you aren't going to be remotely helpful with your pylon.

And not enough people seem to know this: if you use the pylon again you get your ammo and grenades as soon as it lands again, even if it's up, start abusing this and leave the ammo boxes to the other grenade users.

But you cant place all the blame with the Demo, other players see Demos as FREE ammo and will hound their pylons instead of using boxes

[Schneidend]

Drake Malice wrote...

Then you die because you werent in cover, that atlas would be dead from across the map if the Demolisher wanted it dead

I run and gun all the time on my Batarians and Krogan. Can't imagine it's that difficult to do the same with a human with potential for over 2000 shields.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Schneidend wrote...

Drake Malice wrote...

Then you die because you werent in cover, that atlas would be dead from across the map if the Demolisher wanted it dead

I run and gun all the time on my Batarians and Krogan. Can't imagine it's that difficult to do the same with a human with potential for over 2000 shields.

Dev mode makes you tough...it also makes you slow. Slow enough to be kill-camed by the Atlas or a phantom

[TeamLexana]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Let me get this straight. You play a support character, and then you get pissed when people expect to be supported.

Riiiiiight.

Demolisher, a SUPPORT CHARACTER?! Surely, you jest.

[NitrAce]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Ya... A lot of people keep throwing this "support" word around, but I don't think you get what it means, most Support classes can support people WITH OUT worry over losing one ability. The Demo.. all she has are Grenades THAT IT! If she has NO GERNADES She has NO POWERS!
 

Are you kidding? You know you're allowed to bring two guns right? Balance it out. I mainly play Demolisher, there's no reason to not share the grenades. My friend plays Destroyer, his multi-frag is just as useful as a demo's grenades. Plus there are ammo boxes on the map too. People seem to forget that. Share your stuff, don't hog the grenades because the Demo has a lot more going for her than just grenades. 

[TehMerc]

Drake Malice wrote...
But you cant place all the blame with the Demo, other players see Demos as FREE ammo and will hound their pylons instead of using boxes

Even if they do, you're getting a guaranteed 2 grenades and ammo at a rate around every 11 seconds you put a pylon down if you have around 80% cooldown speed. That's more than enough to keep the grenades all to yourself when you put them down.

[gabrien]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Ya... A lot of people keep throwing this "support" word around, but I don't think you get what it means, most Support classes can support people WITH OUT worry over losing one ability. The Demo.. all she has are Grenades THAT IT! If she has NO GERNADES She has NO POWERS!

And there more way to support people then ,lending ammo, Like.. Oh I don't know Ripping the shield off of every enemy in the area with more ease then any Energy drain or Overload ever could do, Making a Boss armor into butter... as well as giving a nifty OMFG shield boost when needed.

As for people who say there a spam fest, What.. EXACLY do you want them to do? Not use Grenades? That there class mentality, To bunker down and grenade it from a far while taking pop shots, GET OVER IT! And FYI I rarely die unless it me having to pick up some one else. And if you hate the Demo spam.. then never play with Shadows Or Slayers.

With that said, I don't mind sharing ammo or Grenades.. But If some one hogging my only means to attack you bet I'm going to be pissed.

That is pretty much it.

People seem to think a demolishers only job is to sit at the side of the pylon for shields, pop off a few shots here and there and let everyone else get the ammo and grenades. Pfft. I chew through ammo and grenades so fast blasting shields and blasting the swarms of enemy around rambo wannabe downed players, creating openings so myself or others can go revive.

Sure, come in and grab some if you cant get to an ammo box. But remember that we are usually always the ones smashing down the shields of flamers, primes, banshees, all of em so our teams can do their jobs more effectively. Which for the most part they don't. Heck.. My arc grenades have me on more damage than most the people I pug with.

Usually I notice the people trying so hard to camp the pylon drops and complaining over mic are the ones contributing the least to a group anyway. Focus more on doing your part than worrying about the demo getting the ammo its own ability creates.

[punkt]

gimmethegepgun wrote...

Hey, get your nerf herder/carebear flame war outta this thread, this thread is for the hoarder/nade slave flame war!

Naah... I actually appreciated the hard facts RecoonHoodie, Aldarionn and Schneidend gave us. Although my Demolisher's Arc Grenade miraculously does 860 damage. *scratches forehead* It's just hard to extract the facts out of this mess.

[TehMerc]

Drake Malice wrote...
Dev mode makes you tough...it also makes you slow. Slow enough to be kill-camed by the Atlas or a phantom

With intelligent use of multi frags you can stagger pretty much anything. See why it's kinda important?