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[Tyriael_Soban]

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

[Rebel_Raven]

Jure Simich wrote...

Yep. Just not when they are carrying a couple of heavy weapons like some are suggesting

If they DO, then they should feel a bit of a penalty for not having to care about weight of weapons.

Now, this is all theoretical, since I've yet to meet a demolisher who actually tried to prohibit others from their grenades (mind you, I almost never spec grenades on my guys anyway...), must be from playing on PC. But given all the advantages the demolishers get - not having to care about weapon weight, practically no cooldown on their abilities, defensive/offensive bonuses on the Pylon, they really should think a bit about the team a bit too.

Too many demolishers I've played with seem to think they have a right to pop their pylon somewhere and then stay in that one spot forever, no matter what happens, never moving. Resurrections suffered, objectives suffered, and THAT is a problem.

There is a penalty for carrying heavy weapons. Pylon re-deployment takes a hit.

I'm not really in either extreme here, the "stay off my pylon" or "all your pylon are belong to us" thing. Lemme have my DPS, and you can have what ever grenades are left.

[ParatrooperSean]

Jure Simich wrote...

Yep. Just not when they are carrying a couple of heavy weapons like some are suggesting

If they DO, then they should feel a bit of a penalty for not having to care about weight of weapons.

Now, this is all theoretical, since I've yet to meet a demolisher who actually tried to prohibit others from their grenades (mind you, I almost never spec grenades on my guys anyway...), must be from playing on PC. But given all the advantages the demolishers get - not having to care about weapon weight, practically no cooldown on their abilities, defensive/offensive bonuses on the Pylon, they really should think a bit about the team a bit too.

Too many demolishers I've played with seem to think they have a right to pop their pylon somewhere and then stay in that one spot forever, no matter what happens, never moving. Resurrections suffered, objectives suffered, and THAT is a problem.

"Not having to worry about weapon weight." 

Wrong. The only time weapon weight wouldn't matter is if you're going to camp the whole time. On one hand you're telling the Demo "spam your pylon so people don't steal from  you" and then on the other you're saying "cooldown doesn't matter." 

"practically no cooldown on their abilities" 

There's a long cooldown to setting the pylon, which really matters on big maps. 

"defensive/offensive bonuses on the Pylon" 

ONLY when the engineer is at the pylon, and literally everyone gets the same thing if they're in the gold radius. 

And Demolishers are very squishy. Literally every class/race/gender in the game has powers and weapons buffs they can rely on that don't  involve grenades *except* for Demolishers. Know that you still think Demos don't get priority over their own grendades? 

[ParatrooperSean]

Tyriael_Soban wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

Yes, sure. The thread should have ended with some artibrary label that is hotly contested. 

[Cayse]

People thinking demolishers don't need to care about weapon weight is why those demolishers don't have enough grenades to share.

Bringing a second weapon that you're never going to use means you get half the grenade regeneration. Good work.

[Sgt SuperWae]

Tyriael_Soban wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

You NEITHER OF YOU have even unlocked the Demolisher.  How would you know anything about the complexity of the character?

Modifié par Sgt SuperWae, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[MacGarrus]

Solution:

1. Respec card
2. Spec out of Supply Pylon completely!
3. Relish the tears as people rage at you for not deploying a pylon
4. Laugh at your own genius as you run to the ammo boxes

[TeamLexana]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Jure Simich wrote...

Yep. Just not when they are carrying a couple of heavy weapons like some are suggesting

If they DO, then they should feel a bit of a penalty for not having to care about weight of weapons.

Now, this is all theoretical, since I've yet to meet a demolisher who actually tried to prohibit others from their grenades (mind you, I almost never spec grenades on my guys anyway...), must be from playing on PC. But given all the advantages the demolishers get - not having to care about weapon weight, practically no cooldown on their abilities, defensive/offensive bonuses on the Pylon, they really should think a bit about the team a bit too.

Too many demolishers I've played with seem to think they have a right to pop their pylon somewhere and then stay in that one spot forever, no matter what happens, never moving. Resurrections suffered, objectives suffered, and THAT is a problem.

"Not having to worry about weapon weight." 

Wrong. The only time weapon weight wouldn't matter is if you're going to camp the whole time. On one hand you're telling the Demo "spam your pylon so people don't steal from  you" and then on the other you're saying "cooldown doesn't matter." 

"practically no cooldown on their abilities" 

There's a long cooldown to setting the pylon, which really matters on big maps. 

"defensive/offensive bonuses on the Pylon" 

ONLY when the engineer is at the pylon, and literally everyone gets the same thing if they're in the gold radius. 

And Demolishers are very squishy. Literally every class/race/gender in the game has powers and weapons buffs they can rely on that don't  involve grenades *except* for Demolishers. Know that you still think Demos don't get priority over their own grendades? 

Ding, Ding, Ding. You get a cookie and some 'nades. Enjoy. lol.

[Mendelevosa]

DayusMakhina wrote...

 People's attitudes to Demolishers are just pathetic really.

The player is fully entitled to play the game however they want... if they want to grenade spam it's their choice, if they want to leave it more for other teammates that is equally their choice. None of you that complain that it's a support character and should therefore support others have any right whatsoever to tell somebody how they should play the game.

So what you are saying is that it is perfectly fine for someone to be the opposite of a team player in a co-op game if that is how they want to play?

I hope I never play with you either.

[TeamLexana]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

Tyriael_Soban wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

You NEITHER OF YOU have even unlocked the Demolisher.  How would you know anything about the complexity of the character?

Wow. Really? Seriously? Just wow. lmao.

[Baerdface]

"WAAAH DEMOLISHER IS SUPPORT class GIVE ME NADES FOR MY RANK 3 FRAG GRENADES"

Meanwhile, I sit on my pylon with my Harrier, enjoy killstreaks and say "B***, please".

I believe best support is a cool guy that kills everything and doesn't afraid of anything.

Come at me.


From what I've seen, teams with grenade spamming Demolishers have a higher rate of success overall. Just let them use their nades, you can enjoy pylons ammo and shield/damage boosts. It's a fair deal.

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:26 .

[Cayse]

Also, insisting that someone else's primary class ability exists solely to support you is not really a ringing endorsement for your understanding of what it means to be a "team player."

[punkt]

NewStrings wrote...

Fun times today. Two Demolishers on FBW. Both planted pylons behind the two desks so there's no cover except for the walls. Going into cover meant taking their grenade supply. They didn't like that at all. Apparently me dying was preferable.

Hey! There's an easy way out, too. Just don't spam your grenades as if there was no tomorrow. It's all about the nades. We love giving you ammo and shields and an occasional grenade. Just don't grab anything you can get. We need those nades. Desperately. We have nothing else. You do.

[Baerdface]

Tyriael_Soban wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

Your version of support:

Deploy pylon, and then basically go afk, because properly specced Demolisher doesnt have any weapon damage bonuses and any cooldown powers. Might aswel equip geth pulse rifle.

My version of support:

Spam Arc grenades for spawn clearing and removing shields, homing grenades for DESTROYING bosses, making waves go faster, while giving team extra max shields and extra weapon ammo.

Ok you clearly win. I see your point.

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[Taritu]

No. Sorry. The power is set up to drop the ammo publicly and I'll use it if I feel like it. If you don't want other players to do so it is totally in your hands.  Make sure you have a low cooldown on it, and put it up every time the cooldown happens, grab the grenades.  Players are unlikely to grab those grenades before you.

Modifié par Taritu, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:33 .

[Pyro666999]

AldarionnEB wrote...

More than half the games I end up playing turn out to be FBWGG games, because I queue for U/U/G. I seem to have trouble filling up a lobby set to U/U/G, and for those games I play my Demolisher because it's easy and I can just toss my Pylon at my feet and call it a day.

Last night though, two of my games ended up being FBWGG and in BOTH matches I had people who seemed to be pissed at me for sitting on my own pylon to supply myself with grenades and ammo. One guy kept jumping on my Pylon every time I moved so I couldn't get anything from it, to the point that he wouldn't even move to help with objectives. Every time I moved the Pylon, he would rush to it and push me off of it if I had to run and revive someone or complete an objective. In another game, the host (playing a Destroyer) kept shooting me in the head between waves and voted to kick me at the end of the match. Neither of the others voted to kick, but I ended up leaving because the guy wouldn't ready up until I left.

rant

Demolishers are not your personal grenade suppliers! They need their grenades because they make up a large chunck of a Demolisher's damage (Out of 75+ kills less than 25 were with my gun, in both matches!), especially in a farm match! If it's a farm match, get your own grenades, and run to the ammo crate like you used to between waves. In a regular match, I'm more than happy to share because it helps the team, but in a farm match I can help the team more by setting up and detonating tech bursts, and stunning everyone in a large area with my unlimited Arc Grenades, especially when you insist on running forward to your death. Next time, I'll just let you get executed!

/rant

I'm preatty sure I'm the one that was shooting you in the head you **** ***** ** ****, or not I know I shot at some Demolisher actng in a similar fashion, can't remember the name.
I play the Demolisher a lot, and the Demolisher, remember provides BOTH higer shield and weapon/power damage to your temmates. YOUR job is to be near your teammates, follow them and put the Pylon in places that HELP them. Also, the recharge speed of the Pylon is lower than the time necessary for it to replace grandes, therfore, you must constantly re-make your Pylon, this way both you and your teamates will have: AMMO, GRANADES, HIGER SHIELD, HIGER DMG. OUTPUT,

So stop beeing a selfish *** ** * ***** and HELP your temmates, it is A TEAM GAME, you selfish *** ** * *****.

Also I play the way I described, and only the GI, has topped the score of my Demolsiher, and I throw 1 granade every 4-6 seconds, 4 seconds if noone else uses the granades, 6 seconds if someone does. 
Also, inside of the Pylon cicrcle, your WEAPON does more damage, so take Harrier, Indra, Aveneger, Vindicator, Paladi, or your other favorite mid-long range weapon with a reasonable cooldown, top the chart, help your team, and stop being a selfish *** ** * *****

Modifié par Pyro666999, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .

[robarcool]

Hovering around a demolisher's pylon is definitely not teamplay. Sure, getting a grenade or two in a wave sounds ok, but all of them? Demolishers have grenades as their only powers, so let them have it.

[xdstingray]

WickedTruth 823 wrote...

 If I ever see OP in one of my lobbies he will be kicked to the curb quicker then he found his way in. Demolisher is a support class. NOT A DAMAGE DEALER. Done end of story. She is meant to feed a destroyer class along with the destroyer's Typhoon. Just like me and a bud did last night. He had a demolisher with a Typhoon and I had my destroyer out. You act like grenades are tottally epic and kill everything fast. Base characters maybe. 

Another Douchebag demolisher being greedy right here... 

Yes the demolisher is a support class, but how exactly are you supposed to support someone when you don't have any powers because a drell is constantly trying to take every single grenade that spawns from the pylon, as well as racing you to the ammo boxes at the end of each wave? Her grenades to a ton of damage to bosses. 2 arc grenades wipe off the shields of any shielded bosses and 2 homings kill them? A destroyer can still hurt things well enough without grenades, the demolisher can't.

[Pyro666999]

Also, for the info of everyone the damage is applied EQUALY wheather or not the Demolsiher or someone else throws the frickin granade. It does not matter, however the granads can be taken away from the demolsiher and used somwhere else, also the Demolisher can re-build the Pylon reall fast and get a new bunch of granades!

[gimmethegepgun]

Pyro666999 wrote...

Also, for the info of everyone the damage is applied EQUALY wheather or not the Demolsiher or someone else throws the frickin granade. It does not matter, however the granads can be taken away from the demolsiher and used somwhere else, also the Demolisher can re-build the Pylon reall fast and get a new bunch of granades!

The Demolisher is better with those grenades than almost every other class is.
Both are very long range (unlike MultiFrags and to a lesser extent Clusters), both are very powerful, they can be used together for TBs, making them even more powerful, and he has 1 for shields 1 for armor.
Your grenades won't be as useful.

Oh, and if you're moving around a lot more, chances are you'll be stopping by some ammo boxes.
Use those.

How exactly did you manage to come to the conclusion that all grenades are equal? I'd really like to know that.

[Baerdface]

Before Demolisher came out people didn't seem to care about grenades that much at all.Now suddenly it's a big deal. How on earth did you guys even survive without the pylon since March? Holy s***. If you haven't noticed, there are things called "AMMO BOXES" all around the map. Hello? If any other character is on the team nobody demands anything from him, just to carry his own weight and shoot faces. When a demolisher joins, suddenly he's everyones property. How about no. If a demolisher decides he wants to share grenades and it fits his playstyle, so be it. If he wants to maximize his damage output and keep the nades for himself, you should respect that, the same way you'd respect Asari Justicar speccing bubble into Warp.

Geez.

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .

[Hexi-decimal]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's funny how being a support class = not allowed to get kills

...by some peoples standards.

Don't think anyone said that.  

I think it's funnier how people take something someone says and run way farther with it than they should.

[Baerdface]

Also, pointless thread. These discussions will have no outcome, nobody will suddenly decide "oh wow, I'm totally gonna change the way I play now because mad bros on forums throw walls of incoherent ramblings at me".

Modifié par Baerdface, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:44 .

[Bolo Xia]

Baerdface wrote...

Tyriael_Soban wrote...

WeAreLegion- wrote...

demolisher is a support character... so support your teammates.

This thread should of ended here.

Your version of support:

Deploy pylon, and then basically go afk.

My version of support:

Spam Arc grenades for spawn clearing and removing shields, homing grenades for DESTROYING bosses, making waves go faster, while giving team extra max shields and extra weapon ammo.

Ok you clearly win. I see your point.

dang man... not to mention those lovely killstreaks demolishers can get which is clearly makes it a "support" role.

i know... ammo boxes never gave out grenades before demolishers came about... so i can CLEARLY see how confusing it can be for some.
before we had demolishers nobody played genadiers because it was impossible to get grenades..... right?.... right?!!

on a serious note... not really but still, how come i dont get a damage bonus when some infiltrator teammate cloaks or i dont get DR from a krogan teammate that enters rage mode?.... its not fair!!! (sounds as dumb as people whining about a demolisher keeping their grenades and using them.)

[DarkSolarcrest]

From the character information on the demolisher and i quote

"The demolisher uses grenades to attack at range and to terrorize the battlefield. Demolishers can also create a supply pylon that stocks ALLIES with an unending reserve of grenades and thermal reloads."

Yes you need grenades too but its in your description that you supply your team with them as well dont like it then dont play the class or stay playing solo