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[KotorEffect3]

ME 3 is a great game but haters blinded by their ME 1 nostalgia goggles refuse to admit that it is superior to their precious flawed ME 1.

[D24O]

As a stand alone its alright, but the best moments of the game come from when it connects well with the other parts of the trilogy. It wouldn't be nearly as strong by itself, and people wouldn't care about what's going on if they weren't drawn into caring about the universe in other installments.

[MegaSovereign]

"ME3 is a GREAT stand-alone game"

It's even better if you played the previous games. I would have never understood the impact of the smaller cameo references (Charr's death, Joker's sister, the angry customer, etc) if I hadn't played the rest of the trilogy.

[FlamingBoy]

I thought the game was pretty average

[PoisonMushroom]

I disagree. The big moments are much better with the context of the previous games. Curing the genophage meant a lot to me, because I'd been waiting to do it for 5 years. Mordin's death hit me because I'd had a whole game to get to know him.

I sort of see what your saying. I think a better statement would be 'ME3 doesn't work well as part of the trilogy'.

[KotorEffect3]

FlamingBoy wrote...

I thought the game was pretty average

So that means you no longer hate it then.  In a couple of months you will come around and completely stop being a hater

[Nachtdaemmerung]

No, can't agree here. Both ME1 & 2 could work as stand-alone games and be great, but the only thing ME3 did right was the Tuchanka arc and that does only work when the game is part of the trilogy. As a stand-alone ME3 is just a lame third person shooter with focus on horde mode multiplayer.

[AresKeith]

as a 3rd person shooter ME3 would be a good game, but ME started as an RPG mainly, it was the same problem with ME2

[KotorEffect3]

AresKeith wrote...

as a 3rd person shooter ME3 would be a good game, but ME started as an RPG mainly, it was the same problem with ME2

It has always been a hybrid.  And ME 1's vaunted RPG aspects were pretty flawed.  ME 3 handled armor and weapon customization as well as ability evolution much better.  And I will probably get bashed for saying this but what I liked about ME 2 is that Shepard didn't level up until he was in between missions instead of in the middle of a mission.  It is annoying in ME1 and ME 3 leveling up and having to go to the level up screen in the middle of an important mission.  Would rather do my character building stuff in between missions when I am on the Normandy.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 29 juillet 2012 - 07:04 .

[PoisonMushroom]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

as a 3rd person shooter ME3 would be a good game, but ME started as an RPG mainly, it was the same problem with ME2

It has always been a hybrid.  And ME 1's vaunted RPG aspects were pretty flawed.  ME 3 handled armor and weapon customization as well as ability evolution much better.  And I will probably get bashed for saying this but what I liked about ME 2 is that Shepard didn't level up until he was in between missions instead of in the middle of a mission.  It is annoying in ME1 and ME 3 leveling up and having to go to the level up screen in the middle of an important mission.  Would rather do my character building stuff in between missions when I am on the Normandy.

Yeah I didn't mind that either.

[Apocaleepse360]

frostajulie wrote...

I disagree completely. Without the stage setting taking place in the previous 2 games ME3 would not have had even a fraction of the emotional impact it had. Without the previous 2 games ME3 would have been boring and mediocre.

But half of ME3's "emotional moments" felt forced anyway...

[legion999]

But as a stand alone game parts like Tuchanka, Rannoch and many of the squad interactions wouldn't have had as much of an impact.

[Apocaleepse360]

AresKeith wrote...

as a 3rd person shooter ME3 would be a good game, but ME started as an RPG mainly, it was the same problem with ME2

But at least ME2 managed to keep the one significantly important part of the ME franchise - the dialogue.

[AresKeith]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

as a 3rd person shooter ME3 would be a good game, but ME started as an RPG mainly, it was the same problem with ME2

It has always been a hybrid.  And ME 1's vaunted RPG aspects were pretty flawed.  ME 3 handled armor and weapon customization as well as ability evolution much better.  And I will probably get bashed for saying this but what I liked about ME 2 is that Shepard didn't level up until he was in between missions instead of in the middle of a mission.  It is annoying in ME1 and ME 3 leveling up and having to go to the level up screen in the middle of an important mission.  Would rather do my character building stuff in between missions when I am on the Normandy.

But that still doesn't change the fact that the combat shouldn't have been the main focus of improvement, that broke the balance. The flawed RPG aspects I wanted them improved on for ME3, I'm grateful for the armor, weapons, and abilities but thats basic RPG nowadays. And for the leveling up you could have just waited till the mission was over than pausing to do that. I play many types of game, but I'm mostly RPG, and I thought ME3 was gonna be like ME1 with ME3's graphics and combat system.

Thats how I thought it was gonna when Bioware put in Action Mode, Story Mode, and Roleplaying mode but nope

[comrade gando]

I can see the ending being like "eh whatever" if someone just picked up ME3 and played it. but if you played ME1, ME2, ME3, grew attached to the characters the universe and felt like you were fighting for something great... that ending. oh boy.

[Ticonderoga117]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ME 3 is a great game but haters blinded by their ME 1 nostalgia goggles refuse to admit that it is superior to their precious flawed ME 1.

ME3 is hardly a great game. At best... average.
ME2, now that is a great game.

[WindfishDude]

PoisonMushroom wrote...

I disagree. The big moments are much better with the context of the previous games. Curing the genophage meant a lot to me, because I'd been waiting to do it for 5 years. Mordin's death hit me because I'd had a whole game to get to know him.

I sort of see what your saying. I think a better statement would be 'ME3 doesn't work well as part of the trilogy'.

I'm honestly surprised no one caught me before now.

You win the prize PoisonMushroom.

[Fawx9]

How is ME3 a great stand alone game?

Maybe from the reaper plot line, but anything involving Cerberus would be f'ed up for new players.

Your first conversation with the VS starts with you basically referencing things that happened in 1 and 2. How would new people know why the VS has such trust problems with Shepard,when even long time fans can't really defend it fully. It would be almost impossible for new players to get along with the VS.

Oh then you have Miranda arc where she may or may not mention the whole control chip/resurrection thing, along with the vids at the station giving hints that you may or may not be cloned, both great ways to confuse a new player imo.

It feels like parts of the game were designed for new players but you also have major parts where Characters mention key plot points or act in certain ways that make no sense if you hadn't played the last 2.

[dsl08002]

yes in a way its a stand alone game, a pity

[PoisonMushroom]

WindfishDude wrote...

PoisonMushroom wrote...

I disagree. The big moments are much better with the context of the previous games. Curing the genophage meant a lot to me, because I'd been waiting to do it for 5 years. Mordin's death hit me because I'd had a whole game to get to know him.

I sort of see what your saying. I think a better statement would be 'ME3 doesn't work well as part of the trilogy'.

I'm honestly surprised no one caught me before now.

You win the prize PoisonMushroom.

Ha. Don't worry about it. It happens.

[giftfish]

Greylycantrope wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Too bad it has that pesky problem of being an end to a trilogy, no?

That is why there is still a knot in my stomach. That is why I'm stuck on my 2nd playthrough without any motivation to continue.

I'm 27, I've been gaming forever. Never has a game enarmoured me more than ME1. Never has a sequel annoyed me, and yet excited me more than ME2. Never has a conclusion to any game, movie, comic, book hurt and angered me more than ME3. It feels personal, because I care so damn much.

Ah, yes.  Sums up my feelings nicely.

I see certain parallels between BiowarEA's treatment of Mass Effect and Sony's treatment of SWG, despite one being single player and one being a MMORPG,

Sony took various actions with Galaxies in an attempt to broaden their subscription base, and as a consequence, only succeeded in conjuring the wrath of their existing player base.  BiowarEA, has attempted to "improve" on the third installment of Mass Effect by taking actions to broaden the player-base and create more of a "stand alone" game.  Indoingso, they have succeeded in alienating many of the veteran players of the Mass Effect series.  Furthermore, they exacerbated the agnst of many of these players by putting such a large emphasis on multi-player, in what is historically a single-player game.  

Galaxies tanked shortly after the huge changes Sony implemented, and I  would bet there are alot of players out there that won't be purchasing another BW/EA title in the forseeable future.

EA needs a history lesson.

Modifié par giftfish, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[KotorEffect3]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ME 3 is a great game but haters blinded by their ME 1 nostalgia goggles refuse to admit that it is superior to their precious flawed ME 1.

ME3 is hardly a great game. At best... average.
ME2, now that is a great game.

No, ME 3 is great game as is ME 2.  Now if you say ME 2 is better I won't argue against that.  I think it is a close call but I like the reaper war more than the collector threat but admitedly ME 2 is more polished.  Revise your opinion of ME 3

[WindfishDude]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ME 3 is a great game but haters blinded by their ME 1 nostalgia goggles refuse to admit that it is superior to their precious flawed ME 1.

ME3 is hardly a great game. At best... average.
ME2, now that is a great game.

No, ME 3 is great game as is ME 2.  Now if you say ME 2 is better I won't argue against that.  I think it is a close call but I like the reaper war more than the collector threat but admitedly ME 2 is more polished.  Revise your opinion of ME 3

lol 'Revise your opinion of ME3'

You're a lulzy user KotorEffect3, funny stuff

[AresKeith]

AresKeith wrote...

But that still doesn't change the fact that the combat shouldn't have been the main focus of improvement, that broke the balance. The flawed RPG aspects I wanted them improved on for ME3, I'm grateful for the armor, weapons, and abilities but thats basic RPG nowadays. And for the leveling up you could have just waited till the mission was over than pausing to do that. I play many types of game, but I'm mostly RPG, and I thought ME3 was gonna be like ME1 with ME3's graphics and combat system.

Thats how I thought it was gonna when Bioware put in Action Mode, Story Mode, and Roleplaying mode but nope

posting my own quote just because