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[Rustedness]

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

"Enbodiment of all reapers" means that the stupid kid has access to every single Reaper, otherwise, it contradicts its statement about how it created the first Reaper with the retarded species that created the kid in the first place.

Lots of "created", I know.

Anyway, the kid is a poor plot solution, a stupid and cheap one.

That not what it mean according to this.
 
  

Nothing supports your claim.

You use the information of a geth over what the Catalyst tells you? what the hell?

And how does any of your links disprove what I wrote?

The catalyst states he is the collective intelligence of the reapers. What more is there to say? There is nothing in the plot that says he controls them like puppet.This is a case that it literaly translated to be one thing.

[dreman9999]

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Limits of his program forces hom to choose the reaper satlution.Added his creator were dumb enough to give him the  first full syntectic reapers.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .

[KevShep]

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

[Who says he was a VI? I said he was a shackled AI. An AI can still be controled by it programing. That is the entire problem. The difference between an AI and a VI is an AI can choose how it does it's programing. A VI does not have the thinking capacity to do so.

1.His programing is making him find a new salution. Shepard is the only one that can select it.
2. The reaper/catalyst did what they were programed to do.To find a salution to a problem. It just that the creators did not agree. 

3. It more like imposing order for a small time so future chaos will nit happen. It's the concept of letting some people die now to save more people in the future. Remeber, they arepreserving organics.

4.It not programed to stop synthetic. It's programed to find a way of coexsistance with both organics and synthetics. And they both still get reaped.
5.His logic is caused by being forced to d an action.

Your not seeing where Iam coming from... A shackled AI is limited. You dont leave a limited AI to guard the galaxy.

1. If they have to find a new salution to the problem then there is already a major plot hole. First is there a problem? If so why where they not seeking one? If not a problem then why bring shep up the magic rainbow elevator to solve one?

2. So the creators created the synthetic reapers to stop themselves from creating synthetics by limited AI that cant think of new solutions?

3.the best of orgainics cant be preserved. We are what makes us great. What makes us great is what we evolve into, not by being forced. If we are robot slaves then there is no use in preserving.

4. They have NOT been looking for a new solution other wise they would have found it a long time ago. Th catalyst even says (if you refuse) that the cycle will continue eventhough he says it will work.

5.see number 2 and 1 for this one.

Your not getting what I'm saying. The catalyst creator were stupid enough to leave a shacked AI to guard the galexy.
That is the problem. It's already shown thathe catalyst is being force to do whatit's doing. It says this him self.
1.The fact they have a physical limit to how they solve the problem is the problem.

2.The ai has a physical limit. It can only do so much.

3.But the catalysthas no moral grounds to see that. That is also the problem.

4.The catalyst and reapers can't do everything. They have limits to what they can do. That is what drived them to preserving.

5.To be more clear his logic is cause by the fact that he is being force to do an action and has physical limits to how he can do them.

 now your seeing why Iam saying that it makes no sense.

How does it not make sense? The concept of error out of arrigance is not something new. The creator of the catalyst were so arragant to think they can force an AI, which have physical limits, to solve a extremly complex social problem.  And never concider the fault that may happen doing so. The is the same concept 2001:space odessy had.

It doesnt make sense because if they were created to stop organics from creating synthetics then they already failed.

Also why cant we find a solution instead of them in the first place...A solution that is already fixed. not to mention EDI and humans and also the geth and quarians getting along. There never was a problem after all.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

The catalyst states he is the collective intelligence of the reapers. What more is there to say? There is nothing in the plot that says he controls them like puppet.This is a case that it literaly translated to be one thing.

I've never said "they are puppets"...

I said, the catalyst has access to the reapers. Jeez, read better.

[dreman9999]

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

[Who says he was a VI? I said he was a shackled AI. An AI can still be controled by it programing. That is the entire problem. The difference between an AI and a VI is an AI can choose how it does it's programing. A VI does not have the thinking capacity to do so.

1.His programing is making him find a new salution. Shepard is the only one that can select it.
2. The reaper/catalyst did what they were programed to do.To find a salution to a problem. It just that the creators did not agree. 

3. It more like imposing order for a small time so future chaos will nit happen. It's the concept of letting some people die now to save more people in the future. Remeber, they arepreserving organics.

4.It not programed to stop synthetic. It's programed to find a way of coexsistance with both organics and synthetics. And they both still get reaped.
5.His logic is caused by being forced to d an action.

Your not seeing where Iam coming from... A shackled AI is limited. You dont leave a limited AI to guard the galaxy.

1. If they have to find a new salution to the problem then there is already a major plot hole. First is there a problem? If so why where they not seeking one? If not a problem then why bring shep up the magic rainbow elevator to solve one?

2. So the creators created the synthetic reapers to stop themselves from creating synthetics by limited AI that cant think of new solutions?

3.the best of orgainics cant be preserved. We are what makes us great. What makes us great is what we evolve into, not by being forced. If we are robot slaves then there is no use in preserving.

4. They have NOT been looking for a new solution other wise they would have found it a long time ago. Th catalyst even says (if you refuse) that the cycle will continue eventhough he says it will work.

5.see number 2 and 1 for this one.

Your not getting what I'm saying. The catalyst creator were stupid enough to leave a shacked AI to guard the galexy.
That is the problem. It's already shown thathe catalyst is being force to do whatit's doing. It says this him self.
1.The fact they have a physical limit to how they solve the problem is the problem.

2.The ai has a physical limit. It can only do so much.

3.But the catalysthas no moral grounds to see that. That is also the problem.

4.The catalyst and reapers can't do everything. They have limits to what they can do. That is what drived them to preserving.

5.To be more clear his logic is cause by the fact that he is being force to do an action and has physical limits to how he can do them.

 now your seeing why Iam saying that it makes no sense.

How does it not make sense? The concept of error out of arrigance is not something new. The creator of the catalyst were so arragant to think they can force an AI, which have physical limits, to solve a extremly complex social problem.  And never concider the fault that may happen doing so. The is the same concept 2001:space odessy had.

It doesnt make sense because if they were created to stop organics from creating synthetics then they already failed.

Also why cant we find a solution instead of them in the first place...A solution that is already fixed. not to mention EDI and humans and also the geth and quarians getting along. There never was a problem after all.

But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 


Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:21 .

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The catalyst states he is the collective intelligence of the reapers. What more is there to say? There is nothing in the plot that says he controls them like puppet.This is a case that it literaly translated to be one thing.

I've never said "they are puppets"...

I said, the catalyst has access to the reapers. Jeez, read better.

Access to the reapers is still the same as being all the reapers. Edi is EVA's body and has access to it.

A synthetic can have as many bodies as they want. EDI has 2.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:22 .

[KevShep]

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand? did not mean that in a bad way.

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Modifié par KevShep, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:27 .

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The catalyst states he is the collective intelligence of the reapers. What more is there to say? There is nothing in the plot that says he controls them like puppet.This is a case that it literaly translated to be one thing.

I've never said "they are puppets"...

I said, the catalyst has access to the reapers. Jeez, read better.

Access to the reapers is still the same as being all the reapers. Edi is EVA's body and has access to it.

A synthetic can have as many bodies as they want. EDI has 2.

Ok... you're having a reading problem, or one related to understanding. If I have access to books that doesn't mean I'm a book, for ****'s sake... your assumption is nosense. Access to information, thoughts, data, feelings, whatever crap you want doesn't mean it experiences itself.

[dreman9999]

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand?

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says is there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Yes, it failed to find a proper salution. Even the catalyst say the reaper salution is flawed. But it was still force to seek a salution by it programing, even if one can't be found. A machine will alway do it 's programing even when it can do physcial do it.
And yes , legion does say the reaper perserve people.
 

"Trancended flesh. Billions of organic minds up loaded and conjointed into an immortal machine body..."Each a nation."
That's preserving.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:48 .

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The catalyst states he is the collective intelligence of the reapers. What more is there to say? There is nothing in the plot that says he controls them like puppet.This is a case that it literaly translated to be one thing.

I've never said "they are puppets"...

I said, the catalyst has access to the reapers. Jeez, read better.

Access to the reapers is still the same as being all the reapers. Edi is EVA's body and has access to it.

A synthetic can have as many bodies as they want. EDI has 2.

Ok... you're having a reading problem, or one related to understanding. If I have access to books that doesn't mean I'm a book, for ****'s sake... your assumption is nosense. Access to information, thoughts, data, feelings, whatever crap you want doesn't mean it experiences itself.

It's different with directly linked self aware machines. No matter how you cut it a machine can have as many bodies as it want. EDI has 2.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:35 .

[Tritium315]

dreman9999 wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Limits of his program forces hom to choose the reaper satlution.Added his creator were dumb enough to give him the  first full syntectic reapers.

This is exactly what I was talking about. You have no way of knowing that; you're pulling it directly out of your ass. 

[dreman9999]

Tritium315 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Limits of his program forces hom to choose the reaper satlution.Added his creator were dumb enough to give him the  first full syntectic reapers.

This is exactly what I was talking about. You have no way of knowing that; you're pulling it directly out of your ass. 

No I did not....  http://www.youtube.c...yvUblf28#t=558s

He clearly says this him self

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:41 .

[KevShep]

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand?

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says is there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Yes, it failed to find a proper salution. Even the catalyst say the salution is flwed. But it was still force to seek a salution by itprograming, even if one can't be found. A machine will alway do it 's programing even when it can do physcial do it.
And yes , legion does say the reaper perserve people.
 

"Trancended flesh. Billions of organic minds up loaded and conjointed into an immortal machine body..."Each a nation."
That's preserving.

The fact that they are programed to find a new solution is just terrible plot direction. It makes no sense to have an AI that is shackled to find a solution for you in the first place, I mean, shackling it defeats the propose of having an AI in the first place.

he never mentions that they are organic. Remember that the original story was not about reapers harvesting people. However I can see how that will fit Walters version but I keep going back to what sovereign says because there is no undoing it. they are organic and they are independent, this means that they should rebel against there creators.

[dreman9999]

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand?

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says is there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Yes, it failed to find a proper salution. Even the catalyst say the salution is flwed. But it was still force to seek a salution by itprograming, even if one can't be found. A machine will alway do it 's programing even when it can do physcial do it.
And yes , legion does say the reaper perserve people.
 

"Trancended flesh. Billions of organic minds up loaded and conjointed into an immortal machine body..."Each a nation."
That's preserving.

The fact that they are programed to find a new solution is just terrible plot direction. It makes no sense to have an AI that is shackled to find a solution for you in the first place, I mean, shackling it defeats the propose of having an AI in the first place.

he never mentions that they are organic. Remember that the original story was not about reapers harvesting people. However I can see how that will fit Walters version but I keep going back to what sovereign says because there is no undoing it. they are organic and they are independent, this means that they should rebel against there creators.

Look at EDI in ME2. She was shackled. It's easy to understand why someone would shackle an AI. Your really are missing what the problem is and why everything happened with the reapers. The problem is the organics are forcing synthetic to be used as tools. That is what is leading all the problems. If AI's and syntheticare forcedto be moral less tools, conflict can happen. If the synthetic has an error, virus, or override that cause it to be violent, conflict will arise. Why? Becausethey only do what they are programed to do. The tragity of the catalyst happened because it was forced to be a tool. The salution to the problem is not to force AI's to be tools...Aka, allow them to be like EDI in ME3. The real problem is to get organics to understand this. As long as organics do force synthetic to be tools, this problem will always happen.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:57 .

[KevShep]

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand?

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says is there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Yes, it failed to find a proper salution. Even the catalyst say the salution is flwed. But it was still force to seek a salution by itprograming, even if one can't be found. A machine will alway do it 's programing even when it can do physcial do it.
And yes , legion does say the reaper perserve people.
 

"Trancended flesh. Billions of organic minds up loaded and conjointed into an immortal machine body..."Each a nation."
That's preserving.

The fact that they are programed to find a new solution is just terrible plot direction. It makes no sense to have an AI that is shackled to find a solution for you in the first place, I mean, shackling it defeats the propose of having an AI in the first place.

he never mentions that they are organic. Remember that the original story was not about reapers harvesting people. However I can see how that will fit Walters version but I keep going back to what sovereign says because there is no undoing it. they are organic and they are independent, this means that they should rebel against there creators.

Look at EDI in ME2. She was shackled. It's easy to understand why some one wouldshackle an AI. Your really are missing what the problem is and why everything happened with the reapers. The problem is the organics are forcing synthetic to be used as tools. That is what is leading all the problems. If AI's and syntheticare forcedto be moral less tools, conflict can happen. If the synthetic has an error, virus, or override that cause it to be violent, conflict will arise. Why? Becausethey only do what they are programed to do. The tragity ofthe catalysthappen because it wasforcedto be a tool. The salution to the problem is not to force AI's to be tools...Aka, allow them to be like EDI in ME3. The real problem is to get organics to understand this. As long as organics do this, this problem will always happen.

 Trust me I understand the whole point of synthetics as "things" or "property" to organics. Iam saying that if it needed to be a tool to stop the very thing they just created then it makes even less sense then before.

There is just one other problem with you post. You mentioned that if organics understood this then they wouldnt need to do what they are doing. However in just a short time the quarians and the geth were able to get along as well and the human crew and EDI. So I say again that this WOULD have happend long before Shepard's cycle because it just took an understanding. You cant tell me that AI's and organics never came to a conclusion like this in the millions of cycles before.

anyway Iam off to bed, I will be back on here tomorrow night.

[dreman9999]

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But they were made to stop organic from make synthetic. They were made to from peace with organics and synthetic...
This is there goaL...Listen closly....
 
  

Added, the preserve organics...This has been stated before he catalyst came up.
 

They failed at it for millions of cycles with no solution at all ever. How is that hard to understand?

Why not work with organics to solve it? I honestly didnt see a problem at all dispite that the catalyst says is there is as pre geth-quarians and EDI-humans.

Legion does not say that they preserve people. he is stating that they are after us (organics) and not synthetics as per the use of the geth by reapers.

Yes, it failed to find a proper salution. Even the catalyst say the salution is flwed. But it was still force to seek a salution by itprograming, even if one can't be found. A machine will alway do it 's programing even when it can do physcial do it.
And yes , legion does say the reaper perserve people.
 

"Trancended flesh. Billions of organic minds up loaded and conjointed into an immortal machine body..."Each a nation."
That's preserving.

The fact that they are programed to find a new solution is just terrible plot direction. It makes no sense to have an AI that is shackled to find a solution for you in the first place, I mean, shackling it defeats the propose of having an AI in the first place.

he never mentions that they are organic. Remember that the original story was not about reapers harvesting people. However I can see how that will fit Walters version but I keep going back to what sovereign says because there is no undoing it. they are organic and they are independent, this means that they should rebel against there creators.

Look at EDI in ME2. She was shackled. It's easy to understand why some one wouldshackle an AI. Your really are missing what the problem is and why everything happened with the reapers. The problem is the organics are forcing synthetic to be used as tools. That is what is leading all the problems. If AI's and syntheticare forcedto be moral less tools, conflict can happen. If the synthetic has an error, virus, or override that cause it to be violent, conflict will arise. Why? Becausethey only do what they are programed to do. The tragity ofthe catalysthappen because it wasforcedto be a tool. The salution to the problem is not to force AI's to be tools...Aka, allow them to be like EDI in ME3. The real problem is to get organics to understand this. As long as organics do this, this problem will always happen.

 Trust me I understand the whole point of synthetics as "things" or "property" to organics. Iam saying that if it needed to be a tool to stop the very thing they just created then it makes even less sense then before.

There is just one other problem with you post. You mentioned that if organics understood this then they wouldnt need to do what they are doing. However in just a short time the quarians and the geth were able to get along as well and the human crew and EDI. So I say again that this WOULD have happend long before Shepard's cycle because it just took an understanding. You cant tell me that AI's and organics never came to a conclusion like this in the millions of cycles before.

anyway Iam off to bed, I will be back on here tomorrow night.

I'm sorry? The quarians and the geth did not understand this on their own. It  took a direct assist form some one that understood who took the time to understand synthetics, Shepard. The only reson why the quarian /geth conflict resolved in Peace was because Shepard took the time to understand the geth through legion. If he never met Legion, there would not be any peace with the quarians and geth. Even more ironicly, Shepard would have never met Legion if their was no conflict with the reapers.
It takes alot of effort in changing one state of mind to think of a thing you see as a tool to be it's own being. We even have this problem with ourselves for genorations. The only reason EDI is accepted as her own being was because she was allowed to be unshakled to save the ship and she had an understand of humanity enough to charm Joker after. And even with that extent, none of what happen to EDi would of happen if there was no reaper conflict.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:02 .

[Mazebook]

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Hi,
it is unknown how he created the first cycle, but it is obvious that he was more powerfull than, as he is now when we meet him.

It is shown that he has no control over the citadel.(Shaperd opening the arms) 
We know that the keepers are maintaining the Citadel.
We know that the citadel is used to build reapers.
So it can be assumed that he had at one point he had control over the keepers. 

in my other thread about his origin story...I describe a possible scenerio how this could have played out.

[Memnon]

maaaze wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Hi,
it is unknown how he created the first cycle, but it is obvious that he was more powerfull than, as he is now when we meet him.

It is shown that he has no control over the citadel.(Shaperd opening the arms) 
We know that the keepers are maintaining the Citadel.
We know that the citadel is used to build reapers.
So it can be assumed that he had at one point he had control over the keepers. 

in my other thread about his origin story...I describe a possible scenerio how this could have played out.

Rustedness picked up on something I mentioned a few pages back - if he is powerless and shackled, then how did he take control of the warships which turned his creators into the first "True Reaper." It is absolutely ludicrous to say he has no power when he outright says he controls the Reapers, and you have evidence that he controlled the warships against his creators' will, and created the cycles ... it is beyond disbelief

Modifié par Stornskar, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:51 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Stornskar wrote...

Rustedness picked up on something I mentioned a few pages back - if he is powerless and shackled, then how did he take control of the warships which turned his creators into the first "True Reaper." It is absolutely ludicrous to say he has no power when he outright says he controls the reaper, and you have evidence that he controlled the warships against his creators' will, and created the cycles ... it is beyond disbelief

Don´t feed the trolls ....

[Fawx9]

He somehow turns off the crucible. How exactly is this a display of lack of power?

[dreman9999]

Stornskar wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Hi,
it is unknown how he created the first cycle, but it is obvious that he was more powerfull than, as he is now when we meet him.

It is shown that he has no control over the citadel.(Shaperd opening the arms) 
We know that the keepers are maintaining the Citadel.
We know that the citadel is used to build reapers.
So it can be assumed that he had at one point he had control over the keepers. 

in my other thread about his origin story...I describe a possible scenerio how this could have played out.

Rustedness picked up on something I mentioned a few pages back - if he is powerless and shackled, then how did he take control of the warships which turned his creators into the first "True Reaper." It is absolutely ludicrous to say he has no power when he outright says he controls the reaper, and you have evidence that he controlled the warships against his creators' will, and created the cycles ... it is beyond disbelief

Dude, your no getting it. The catalyst is power less over control out side his programing and the last choices. Not power less that he can't impose anything. The catalyst already stated his creator made the first synthetic reaper. Thecatalyst just used those Synthetic reapers to force his creators into the current type that is made out of organics, aka first true reaper.

[dreman9999]

Fawx9 wrote...

He somehow turns off the crucible. How exactly is this a display of lack of power?

That doesn't mean has has control over it. IF he did he would of just forced Synthesis with it.
The only reason he could turn it off is because Shepard turned it down. He already stated he had no power over what the crucible does and is being forced.
http://www.youtube.c...yvUblf28#t=558s

[Fawx9]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

He somehow turns off the crucible. How exactly is this a display of lack of power?

That doesn't mean has has control over it. IF he did he would of just forced Synthesis with it.
The only reason he could turn it off is because Shepard turned it down. He already stated he had no power over what the crucible does and is being forced.
http://www.youtube.c...yvUblf28#t=558s

So you're sayng that the crucible is driven by Shepard's feelings? There's nothing in game to even suggest that. The star kid is the one that turns it off, it has nothing to do with Shepard shooting him/the epic speech.

[Tritium315]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Haven't read all the pages in this thread yet, so this may already have been asked... but if he is so powerless, how exactly did he begin the cycle? Not meaning to troll.

Limits of his program forces hom to choose the reaper satlution.Added his creator were dumb enough to give him the  first full syntectic reapers.

This is exactly what I was talking about. You have no way of knowing that; you're pulling it directly out of your ass. 

No I did not....  http://www.youtube.c...yvUblf28#t=558s

He clearly says this him self

The fact that you can pull from that line the conclusion that he's powerless is only evidence of how ****ed in the head you are. As someone else said earlier; if anything this thread was entertaining as it gave us some insight into how ridiculous the thought process is of people who think the ending makes sense.