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[Applepie_Svk]

Stornskar wrote...



So he does have control over the Reapers

+10 for entertaiment in this thread

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

he's right and were wrong

But he is right. The catalyst has not power over what the crucible does . Even it says so.

um I wasn't agreeing with the Catalyst or Maaaze

I was quoting applepie. I just deleted his ignorate pic so it's not repeated over agein.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Stornskar wrote...



So he does have control over the Reapers

+10 for entertaiment in this thread

He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

[Applepie_Svk]

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

dreman9999 wrote...


He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

 
 
Read few pages of this thread and stop making the same mistakes as did Maaaze...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:26 .

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

maaaze wrote...

at what cost...it is stated in game that he did that.

Your speculations did that ...

The catalyst clear stated the the creators did not agree to be turned in a reaper.

[Mazebook]

Stornskar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

He is all the reapers at one. Legion in ME2 does state that the reapers work via consensus.

As he describes it:
"One ship, one will, many minds. Like the geth."

That runs along the line from the catalyst.
" I am the collective intelligence of the reapers."

Him have not power over what the crucible does is spot on.

So he does have control over the Reapers

I never said something to contrary...i just saying there are different ways to control something...some are direct...and some are indirect.

Modifié par maaaze, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:25 .

[wantedman dan]

maaaze wrote...

He has no imidiate direct control over the reapers. (their goals are programmed /indoctrinated and thats it)  

I forgot to say ...i think... before that statement.

Fact is we don´t know how far his control goes...if it is direct or indirect.


The rest are not headcannons they are conclusion which originated form the evidence.
Shaperd opening the arms.
Him not able to trigger the crucible.
Reapers showing personality and individuality.

We know Shepard is able to assume direct control over the entire Reaper armada when becoming the new Catalyst.

We know the Crucible deactivated after being told the cycle will continue.

Your interpretations are just as valid as others and they still are headcanon. Spin it how you'd like.

[Thaa_solon]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Vendetta states that something is controlling the reapers, catalyst says he controls the reapers..........ERGO catalyst has power over alot of things and is not restricted beyond his programming
(like lost control over the keepers but really he didn't cause they take orders from the citadel)

If the catalyst can affect the outcome of a cycle when the crusible is active(even in a indirect way because he tells shepard what to do), WHY doesn't his superior intellect choose for shepard or use that stupid elevator to dump shepard in the choice he deems most logical, why is the catalyst sooooooooooo stupid.

Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)

I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

If the catalyst was incontrol he would of taken the crucible and just applied synthesis. Which is it's goal. Fact that it does not show he does not have control over the crucible or what it does. Turning it off means nothing if that is not what he wants to do with it.

[dreman9999]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Vendetta states that something is controlling the reapers, catalyst says he controls the reapers..........ERGO catalyst has power over alot of things and is not restricted beyond his programming
(like lost control over the keepers but really he didn't cause they take orders from the citadel)

If the catalyst can affect the outcome of a cycle when the crusible is active(even in a indirect way because he tells shepard what to do), WHY doesn't his superior intellect choose for shepard or use that stupid elevator to dump shepard in the choice he deems most logical, why is the catalyst sooooooooooo stupid.

Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)

I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst

It is doing it's programing. How to do it was never stated. That was left open. The reapers salution is a how to it's salution.

[dreman9999]

maaaze wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

He is all the reapers at one. Legion in ME2 does state that the reapers work via consensus.

As he describes it:
"One ship, one will, many minds. Like the geth."

That runs along the line from the catalyst.
" I am the collective intelligence of the reapers."

Him have not power over what the crucible does is spot on.

So he does have control over the Reapers

I never said something to contrary...i just saying there are different ways to control something...some are direct...and some are indirect.

But he does have control of the reapers.He did say it himself. He just doesn't have control of himself.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

dreman9999 wrote...


He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

 
 
Read few pages of this thread and stop making the same mistakes as did Maaaze...

I'm sorry but this is what the catalyst say himself. No matter how you cut it this is the case. He if forced to do this becasue of his programing. Even he says this.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

dreman9999 wrote...


He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

 
 
Read few pages of this thread and stop making the same mistakes as did Maaaze...

I'm sorry but this is what the catalyst say himself. No matter how you cut it this is the case. He if forced to do this becasue of his programing. Even he says this.

no, he's suppose to keep peace not harvest every cycle, he's not a shackled AI

[Mazebook]

wantedman dan wrote...

maaaze wrote...

He has no imidiate direct control over the reapers. (their goals are programmed /indoctrinated and thats it)  

I forgot to say ...i think... before that statement.

Fact is we don´t know how far his control goes...if it is direct or indirect.


The rest are not headcannons they are conclusion which originated form the evidence.
Shaperd opening the arms.
Him not able to trigger the crucible.
Reapers showing personality and individuality.

We know Shepard is able to assume direct control over the entire Reaper armada when becoming the new Catalyst.

We know the Crucible deactivated after being told the cycle will continue.

Your interpretations are just as valid as others and they still are headcanon. Spin it how you'd like.

We know Shepard is able to assume direct control over the entire Reaper armada when becoming the new Catalyst. 

We also now that

1. Shaperd is not the Catalyst...  he maybe able to do much more.
2. If Shaperd is not able to do more...he can just reprogram them to fulfill his needs...which is helping to rebuild and protect.

We know the Crucible deactivated after being told the cycle will continue. 

yes...but this is only coursed because Shaperd does nothing...pre-EC ending had a gameover screen that stated the crucible got destroyed...meaning the reapers destroyed it...nothing different happens when Shaperd chooses to do nothing... the time is just compressed for a dramatic effect.

[Applepie_Svk]

AresKeith wrote...



no, he's suppose to keep peace not harvest every cycle, he's not a shackled AI

Pointless to argue in this thread...

[Mazebook]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

dreman9999 wrote...


He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

 
 
Read few pages of this thread and stop making the same mistakes as did Maaaze...

I'm sorry but this is what the catalyst say himself. No matter how you cut it this is the case. He if forced to do this becasue of his programing. Even he says this.

no, he's suppose to keep peace not harvest every cycle, he's not a shackled AI

But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.

His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely

Modifié par maaaze, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:37 .

[Memnon]

maaaze wrote...

But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.

His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely

Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal

This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?

Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.

[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?

Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.

+100 just because

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So the Catalyst can shut down the Crucible if Shepard refuse his lunch menu ?... uh uh - he is not in control...
We have probably very different opinion about meaning of word CONTROL...

dreman9999 wrote...


He has control over the reaper but he has no control overhis own will.  His programing has control over the catalyst, making him do what he is doing now. In the end the catalyst may control the reapers but he is still a puppet.

 
 
Read few pages of this thread and stop making the same mistakes as did Maaaze...

I'm sorry but this is what the catalyst say himself. No matter how you cut it this is the case. He if forced to do this becasue of his programing. Even he says this.

no, he's suppose to keep peace not harvest every cycle, he's not a shackled AI

Talk to the catalyst. He states his programing it bring the organic/synthetic to peace and then mantane it.

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?

Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.

When was this? He just tells you what to crucible does and how to stop him.

Think of it this way. If a machine is build  and program to kill you  but tells you the only way to stop it is to reprogram it and you tell it you will not reprogram it, what do you think will happen?

[Mazebook]

AresKeith wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?

Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.

+100 just because

well your opinion above everything else...

but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.

I try to show a valid interpretation that counters this.

Modifié par maaaze, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:48 .

[dreman9999]

Stornskar wrote...

maaaze wrote...

But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.

His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely

Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal

This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI

He makes it clear that he is shackled...

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?

Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.

+100 just because

When was this? He just tells you what to crucible does and how to stop him.

Think of it this way. If a machine is build  and program to kill you  but tells you the only way to stop it is to reprogram it and you tell it you will not reprogram it, what do you think will happen? 

[Isichar]

maaaze wrote...

well your opinion above everything else...

but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.

I try to show a valid speculation that counters yours.

Fixed