Isichar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
well your opinion above everything else...
but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.
I try to show a valid speculation that counters yours.
Fixed
maaaze wrote...
please don´t change my words. If you can´t express yourself through your own words...leave it be.
it is not speculation...it is based on facts...which makes it a valid interpretation.
dreman9999 wrote...
It is doing it's programing. How to do it was never stated. That was left open. The reapers salution is a how to it's salution.Thaa_solon wrote...
Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)
I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst
No . he didn't . You thought my words were his.Applepie_Svk wrote...
maaaze wrote...
please don´t change my words. If you can´t express yourself through your own words...leave it be.
it is not speculation...it is based on facts...which makes it a valid interpretation.
He doesn´t need too change your words, you already did it in this thread.
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
dreman9999 wrote...
No . he didn't . You thought my words were his.
maaaze wrote...
He has control...but they are also independent...which is shown as they activly communicate with each other.
He simply programmed his goals into them. Like he was programmed to by gis creators.
maaaze wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
his creators are the First Reaper
who did not liked to be turned into a reaper...so he reprogrammed them.
There is logic to it. He is limited by his program to beable to make that change to his self. He can't change his programing.Thaa_solon wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It is doing it's programing. How to do it was never stated. That was left open. The reapers salution is a how to it's salution.Thaa_solon wrote...
Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)
I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst
In his programming he needs to find a solution, now when the crusible is in place then the parameters is changed.
He could choose another way to end the current cycle, but he doesn't.
Instead he tells shepard to chose, and if shepard refuses the cycle continues as usual..........WHY?!
Catalyst has all opportunity to change everything, but decides the most logical path is to let shepard to choose....this is stupid
If I was a AI following a certain program to find a solution, I wouldn't let a inferior being to choose anything.
Because that is what Iam supposed to do, to solve problems.
Programming or not, the catalyst must realize, IT IS STUPID......there is no logic
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
maaaze wrote...
Isichar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
well your opinion above everything else...
but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.
I try to show a valid speculation that counters yours.
Fixed
please don´t change my words. If you can´t express yourself through your own words...leave it be.
it is not speculation...it is based on facts...which makes it a valid interpretation.
Modifié par Isichar, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:04 .
How many time do I have to say this?AresKeith wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
he wasn't programmed to turn people into Reapers
maaaze wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?
Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.
+100 just because
well your opinion above everything else...
but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.
I try to show a valid interpretation that counters this.
dreman9999 wrote...
How many time do I have to say this?AresKeith wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
he wasn't programmed to turn people into Reapers
He was give a problem to solve which he was never give any statement to how to solve it out side not killing off organic and syntheticsand it has to be the best salution. How he solves the problem is left open to him. That mean the salution can be anything as long it's the best salution on hand and does not kill anything off. Preseving organics does that. It a salution. He is just programed to find a saltion not programed to find a salution in a limited moral perspective.Machines don't hvave moral unless the have the freedom to find them and gain them. The catalyst has no morals so no moral ground will every prevent him from selcting a salution no matter how horrible it is. That the very reason HAL FOR SPACE ODYSSY 2001 killed off his crew.
AresKeith wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
How many time do I have to say this?AresKeith wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
he wasn't programmed to turn people into Reapers
He was give a problem to solve which he was never give any statement to how to solve it out side not killing off organic and syntheticsand it has to be the best salution. How he solves the problem is left open to him. That mean the salution can be anything as long it's the best salution on hand and does not kill anything off. Preseving organics does that. It a salution. He is just programed to find a saltion not programed to find a salution in a limited moral perspective.Machines don't hvave moral unless the have the freedom to find them and gain them. The catalyst has no morals so no moral ground will every prevent him from selcting a salution no matter how horrible it is. That the very reason HAL FOR SPACE ODYSSY 2001 killed off his crew.
if he had to solve the problem itself and chose to do this, then the Starbrat has more control than a Shackled AI would
dreman9999 wrote...
There is logic to it. He is limited by his program to beable to make that change to his self. He can't change his programing.Thaa_solon wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It is doing it's programing. How to do it was never stated. That was left open. The reapers salution is a how to it's salution.Thaa_solon wrote...
Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)
I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst
In his programming he needs to find a solution, now when the crusible is in place then the parameters is changed.
He could choose another way to end the current cycle, but he doesn't.
Instead he tells shepard to chose, and if shepard refuses the cycle continues as usual..........WHY?!
Catalyst has all opportunity to change everything, but decides the most logical path is to let shepard to choose....this is stupid
If I was a AI following a certain program to find a solution, I wouldn't let a inferior being to choose anything.
Because that is what Iam supposed to do, to solve problems.
Programming or not, the catalyst must realize, IT IS STUPID......there is no logic
If a machine is made to kill you but it tells you the only way to stop it is to reprogram it, and you tell it you won't. What do you think is going to happen?
The catalyst is a tool it has no control over it self but to do it's programing. How he does is left open to him but he is still held to pick the best option. He as no control or will over what is going on ...Even he says this...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
maaaze wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Catalyst is powerless? What's with its "my way or the highway" bull**** then?
Face the facts. Walters can't write. That ending sucked. He had brilliance within his grasp and he blew it.
+100 just because
well your opinion above everything else...
but these are not facts...this is your interpretation...which when thought out ...contradicts itself...and which you yourself don´t even seem to like.
I try to show a valid interpretation that counters this.
Actually Shepard had the power. Hence, Shepard is the real Catalyst. Shepard is the one who can make things happen. This thing is just a propaganda machine.
It's that Walters can't write for ****. If he was Arthur C Clarke he may have sold Synthesis and Control without putting those stupid stipulations on Destroy, Or since EDI was capable of deceit, made this so-called Catalyst capable of deceit, and when the player actually did hit the Destroy button there was no genocide or massive damage to the mass relays, etc.
I mean just because something is tech that was used and developed by the bad guys why is that tech "evil"? It's just tech. Leave the ****ing tech alone.
No. This is Mac Walters picking up his marbles and going home and destroying the ME universe so he doesn't have to write in it anymore, and he doesn't want to turn it over to anyone else to carry on. Bottom line.
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
Modifié par Stornskar, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .
Stornskar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
He makes it clear that he is shackled...Stornskar wrote...
maaaze wrote...
But he is...because he has no other purpose...that is what EDI´s arc is all about...she wants to be more than just the A.I. on the ship...the Catalyst was never able to evolve past his purpose. He was never encouraged to do so.
His only purpose was to find a solution that works indefinitely
Shepard: So you're just an AI?
Catalyst: Inasmuch that you are just an animal
This means the Catalyst is MUCH more than a shackled AI
We have a different threshold on what is "pretty clear." That he would be forced to accept the space magic of the Cruicble does not mean he is shackled. Why didn't he say, "why yes I am a shackled AI Shepard" instead of using language that indicates he has transcended well beyond that
Modifié par maaaze, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:29 .
Lord Goose wrote...
Actually, Crucible is probably blasted in Refuse.
And, yeah. We do not see much evidence that Catalyst can do anything himself.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Lord Goose wrote...
Actually, Crucible is probably blasted in Refuse.
And, yeah. We do not see much evidence that Catalyst can do anything himself.
Except operate the Citadel and control the Reapers. Oh yeah... he's powerless alright. <_<
maaaze wrote...
like i said, he has no power over the Citadel otherwise shaperd would not be able to open the arms.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
maaaze wrote...
like i said, he has no power over the Citadel otherwise shaperd would not be able to open the arms.
But he opens it after the elevator takes Shepard up to him, which he also controls.
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