dreman9999 wrote...
The crucible most likely reprogramed the citadel for direct control.Bill Casey wrote...
So, after Shepard becomes the Catalyst... who closes the Citadel arms?
1. What shows that the catalyst has no limits?The fact that it choosed the reaper salution shows it has limits.Thaa_solon wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
There is logic to it. He is limited by his program to beable to make that change to his self. He can't change his programing.Thaa_solon wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It is doing it's programing. How to do it was never stated. That was left open. The reapers salution is a how to it's salution.Thaa_solon wrote...
Because he's flawed? why even bother to speak to shepard in the first place....why not stick to his stupid programming
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE(this is perhaps what sovereign and rannoch reaper was talking about)
I demand logic, even from the stupid catalyst
In his programming he needs to find a solution, now when the crusible is in place then the parameters is changed.
He could choose another way to end the current cycle, but he doesn't.
Instead he tells shepard to chose, and if shepard refuses the cycle continues as usual..........WHY?!
Catalyst has all opportunity to change everything, but decides the most logical path is to let shepard to choose....this is stupid
If I was a AI following a certain program to find a solution, I wouldn't let a inferior being to choose anything.
Because that is what Iam supposed to do, to solve problems.
Programming or not, the catalyst must realize, IT IS STUPID......there is no logic
If a machine is made to kill you but it tells you the only way to stop it is to reprogram it, and you tell it you won't. What do you think is going to happen?
The catalyst is a tool it has no control over it self but to do it's programing. How he does is left open to him but he is still held to pick the best option. He as no control or will over what is going on ...Even he says this...
Even if his programming is limited it is virtually limitless, even so the crusible changed his original programming, making him able to do whatever he wants. The logic of the program tells catalyst to make a choice, and the choice resulted in a illogical decision.
Thus the catalyst is not logical and also is stupid, the crusible made the catalyst stupid and/or if not the catalyst was stupid from the beginning.
How do you tell a limitless machine to restrict to limits, you can't.
Even robocop erased his primedirective, and that was in the 80's
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The crucible most likely reprogramed the citadel for direct control.Bill Casey wrote...
So, after Shepard becomes the Catalyst... who closes the Citadel arms?
Or, with much more sense... kinda, THE CATALYST CAN CONTROL THE CITADEL.
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
KevShep wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
So, after Shepard becomes the Catalyst... who closes the Citadel arms?
good point!
Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
dreman9999 wrote...
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
Modifié par KevShep, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:23 .
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
Control and destroy was not space magic.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
The catalyst was made by organics. One would think that maybe the concept of the catalyst came from the reapers creators.KevShep wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
Also the controls for each of the three choices are on the citadel and not on the crucible...strange!
But, as in the op's like in the open...JShepppp wrote...
My view of the Catalyst is in my sig where I went indepth regarding what I believe to be its correct logic/thought but misguided actions.
I think the Catalyst does have a lot of power, just that it doesn't see fit to use it, and that the Crucible is designed in such a way that the Catalyst cannot fire it. That's all.
dreman9999 wrote...
Control and destroy was not space magic.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
The concept of the crucible...As the prothean vi states this.(And if we go on I will link the conversation.) Is to use the reapers own tech, the citadel and the mass relays , ageints them. The is even more statement of how the crucible works in the codex...
http://masseffect.wi...gy#The_Crucible
The Mars Archives describe a superweapon that the Alliance has named the Crucible, which exploits the technology of mass effect relays. Beyond the basic principles, however, researchers know little about how the weapon actually works.One popular theory suggests that since relays can transfer matter and energy across the galaxy with little regard for distance, it may be possible to create a weapon for which range is barely a factor.
Destroy is a an emp like weapon.(The catalyst even stats it effects all tech.)
Control is a rewrite of the system.(Which is also stated by the catalyst as "replacing him".)
The only space magic here is synthesis.
You still have not awnsered my question.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
it was not Drew K's idea to have a catalsyt.
Edit: Casy and Walters should have NEVER changed the story.
dreman9999 wrote...
The catalyst was made by organics. One would think that maybe the concept of the catalyst came from the reapers creators.KevShep wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
Also the controls for each of the three choices are on the citadel and not on the crucible...strange!
It was hinted at from Lotsb. the sb was looking for any more info the protheans had on the reapers. Afterthe SB is kill Liara contioued form the data the SB left and with it found the crucible. Hackett just allowed her to look on mars. Tim followed up with inside ageints, and Shepard was just ordered to go to marrs and pick it up.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Control and destroy was not space magic.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
The concept of the crucible...As the prothean vi states this.(And if we go on I will link the conversation.) Is to use the reapers own tech, the citadel and the mass relays , ageints them. The is even more statement of how the crucible works in the codex...
http://masseffect.wi...gy#The_Crucible
The Mars Archives describe a superweapon that the Alliance has named the Crucible, which exploits the technology of mass effect relays. Beyond the basic principles, however, researchers know little about how the weapon actually works.One popular theory suggests that since relays can transfer matter and energy across the galaxy with little regard for distance, it may be possible to create a weapon for which range is barely a factor.
Destroy is a an emp like weapon.(The catalyst even stats it effects all tech.)
Control is a rewrite of the system.(Which is also stated by the catalyst as "replacing him".)
The only space magic here is synthesis.
its also space magic how Admrial Hackett, TIM, Shepard, Liara are all after the crucible plans at a very very convenient timing. Also to mention that not even the shadow broker (liara) didnt know about the crucible plans till late. It was dumped on our laps at the last minute.
I didnt say anything about the catalsyt. I said they should have thought about it more before they began with developing THERE own story.dreman9999 wrote...
You still have not awnsered my question.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
it was not Drew K's idea to have a catalsyt.
Edit: Casy and Walters should have NEVER changed the story.
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.
Why would they move it away?What if there was a limit in it programing preventing it from touching the control panels?KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The catalyst was made by organics. One would think that maybe the concept of the catalyst came from the reapers creators.KevShep wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
Also the controls for each of the three choices are on the citadel and not on the crucible...strange!
Then why was it still there? They would have known what it was for.
Please, the catalyst has no power over the quality of the ending or the story. It's just a voice box for the reapers. It not what is the fault of the plot. If ec was te orignal ending no one would be complining about the ending as much.KevShep wrote...
I didnt say anything about the catalsyt. I said they should have thought about it more before they began with developing THERE own story.dreman9999 wrote...
You still have not awnsered my question.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
it was not Drew K's idea to have a catalsyt.
Edit: Casy and Walters should have NEVER changed the story.
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.
dreman9999 wrote...
It was hinted at from Lotsb. the sb was looking for any more info the protheans had on the reapers. Afterthe SB is kill Liara contioued form the data the SB left and with it found the crucible. Hackett just allowed her to look on mars. Tim followed up with inside ageints, and Shepard was just ordered to go to marrs and pick it up.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Control and destroy was not space magic.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That 's the same thing and the point of adding the crucible on to the citadel. The entire plan with the crucible was to take control of the citadel/catalyst with it and use it ageinst the reapers.
No... the entire plan was to provided a MASSIVE energy source to the Citadel so that the built-in functions can make space magic.
You can't control what you don't know exists.
The concept of the crucible...As the prothean vi states this.(And if we go on I will link the conversation.) Is to use the reapers own tech, the citadel and the mass relays , ageints them. The is even more statement of how the crucible works in the codex...
http://masseffect.wi...gy#The_Crucible
The Mars Archives describe a superweapon that the Alliance has named the Crucible, which exploits the technology of mass effect relays. Beyond the basic principles, however, researchers know little about how the weapon actually works.One popular theory suggests that since relays can transfer matter and energy across the galaxy with little regard for distance, it may be possible to create a weapon for which range is barely a factor.
Destroy is a an emp like weapon.(The catalyst even stats it effects all tech.)
Control is a rewrite of the system.(Which is also stated by the catalyst as "replacing him".)
The only space magic here is synthesis.
its also space magic how Admrial Hackett, TIM, Shepard, Liara are all after the crucible plans at a very very convenient timing. Also to mention that not even the shadow broker (liara) didnt know about the crucible plans till late. It was dumped on our laps at the last minute.
dreman9999 wrote...
If ec was te orignal ending no one would be complining about the ending as much.
KevShep wrote...
4. Drew had in mind to use the collector base as well as other prothean devices to win the war and to find out the reapers true purpose. Nothing about the crucible was mentioned or hinted at.
Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .
Modifié par KevShep, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Please, the catalyst has no power over the quality of the ending or the story. It's just a voice box for the reapers. It not what is the fault of the plot. If ec was te orignal ending no one would be complining about the ending as much.KevShep wrote...
I didnt say anything about the catalsyt. I said they should have thought about it more before they began with developing THERE own story.dreman9999 wrote...
You still have not awnsered my question.KevShep wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.KevShep wrote...
davidshooter wrote...
It was the ultimate middle finger as many on this board and elsewhere have noted.
Thing is, we all know it too.
Its the responsibility of the writers and devs at least stay within there OWN lore and please there fans while at the same time keeping it unexpected...instead they slap ...US... in the face for THERE mistake!
it was not Drew K's idea to have a catalsyt.
Edit: Casy and Walters should have NEVER changed the story.
How would the ending be any different without the catalyst? It's interchangable. We can have EDI give us the same options and the ending would be no different.
What? No. The entire problem with the ending was that it made no sense. No , one knew what was going on. For christ sake we had peole who were on the ground fighting with us and suddenly on a planet looking as confused as we were. If ec was the ending at the begining, the ending would not have this big as an out cry. Heck, we can clearly see it because ec doen't even have an out cry.Applepie_Svk wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
If ec was te orignal ending no one would be complining about the ending as much.
I don´t think so, it would be same brain fest...
dreman9999 wrote...
Control and destroy was not space magic.
The concept of the crucible...As the prothean vi states this.(And if we go on I will link the conversation.) Is to use the reapers own tech, the citadel and the mass relays , ageints them. The is even more statement of how the crucible works in the codex...
http://masseffect.wi...gy#The_Crucible
The Mars Archives describe a superweapon that the Alliance has named the Crucible, which exploits the technology of mass effect relays. Beyond the basic principles, however, researchers know little about how the weapon actually works.One popular theory suggests that since relays can transfer matter and energy across the galaxy with little regard for distance, it may be possible to create a weapon for which range is barely a factor.
Destroy is a an emp like weapon.(The catalyst even stats it effects all tech.)
Control is a rewrite of the system.(Which is also stated by the catalyst as "replacing him".)
The only space magic here is synthesis.
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