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[RobertM525]

Would anyone else like to see Smash get some more range to have a bit more parity with Biotic/Electric Slash? Given that Smash has an 8 meter range and Biotic/Electric Slash have a 20 meter default range (spec'd up to 30), I don't think it would be unreasonable to see an option on, say, its Rank 6 evolution to increase it to something like 15 meters (in addition to or in place of the radius/target increase on Rank 6).

It'd certainly make my Ex-Cerberus Adept feel a bit more useful.  (Not quite as necessary on the Vanguard, IMO.)

[Mr_Happy]

Imagine an ability like Smash (which does massive damage to armor and goes right through walls) with a base range of 20m on a map like Glacier... yeah, sorry but I don't think that would be a good idea.

[Chashan]

Low-range, wall-bypassing firepower still is the one trait Defectors excel at.

I see no reason to change that; the cast-animation is near-enough instant, as such still deals more damage compared to the "Power BladeRUUU" skills which still have some travel-time. Only thing required is to try and keep hard cover between yourself and the mooks.

[IllusiveManJr]

No, Smash is already extremely powerful.

[Yuanrang]

Sure, remove its devastating offensive power and the god awful screen rumble and you can get that.

Buffing its range from what it is in the current state? No, I would rather have the Phoenix classes rejoin Cerberus as a new enemy unit, just so we could kill them.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Nope. Already sick of seeing Shadows and Slayers spam it, dont want the other Cerberus class being cheap as well

[Bolo Xia]

Smash can prime for BE or TB, so it does still have its uses.
Ex-Cerb Vanguard is a beast, i use the hurricane on him and plow faces on Gold just fine.

Ex-Cerb Adept is not my cup of tea because i never did like singularity in ME3, but i have seen people rape on all difficulties and they were not camping behind a wall the whole match either. (except i havent played much platinum so i cannot say for that difficulty)

this skill and character's are still great IMHO.
smash is high risk high reward, plus lash gives a way to deal with ranged low to mid tier enemies.

also Smash can hit on different elevations ( enemies on platforms above or below), far as i can tell Biotic/Electic Slash can only go horizontal on the same elevation as the caster.

summery: no change needed IMO.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Yuanrang wrote...

Sure, remove its devastating offensive power and the god awful screen rumble and you can get that.

Buffing its range from what it is in the current state? No, I would rather have the Phoenix classes rejoin Cerberus as a new enemy unit, just so we could kill them.

Well...then we would get lashed off of the maps...not very fun

[Conduit0]

No, that would make Smash stupidly OP and would result in it getting nerfed harder than the Krysae and Falcon combined.

[Blind2Society]

On the subject of smash/slash, I feel smash should stagger (which it doesn't unless the enemy is within a meter of you) and BS should prime for detonations.

Then again, when looking at the difference between 8m and 20m, maybe they should increase it to an even 10m.

[Unfair_Banana]

I think Smash with that kind of range would be epic. Maybe a little TOO epic. Smash has a far faster cast time than BS, and doesn't' break cover. I think that trade off kinda balances things out.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Smash was horrible at first. Then it got a buff. It's one of the best buffs we've gotten other than gear. So, no. There's no reason to buff it much more.

[RequiemPrime]

Nope. I love my Phoenix Boys the way they are. Spot on perfect.

[Trakarg]

Smash is fine. It hits extremely hard. If it was given as much range as the slash powers it would be way overpowered.

[Dasher1010]

Yes. And then I want the old Krysae back.

[TheAdventurer29]

Nope because that's its only weakness. If we have like 15 meters range, that would be unbalancingly powerful.

[Slawtercidal]

If you gave Smash the Range of Biotic Slash it would just become Biotic Smash, Idential powers, different animations, they're different powers for a reason, smash is a short range boss killer, Slash is a long range weakener/killer, if you want a longer ranged Smash, just roll N7 Slayer.

Modifié par Slawtercidal, 29 juillet 2012 - 10:35 .

[Poison_Berrie]

I'd rather give Smash a small DR during casting (50%) so it's a bit more viable when not behind a wall.

[GallowsPole]

No, plus you can self detonate BE's with smash.

[Kalas Magnus]

I'm sure it wont be broken at all. It already primes/detonates be or tb. Apparently it is not enough.

Modifié par Kalas321, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:25 .

[Poison_Berrie]

death_for_sale wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...

I'd rather give Smash a small DR during casting (50%) so it's a bit more viable when not behind a wall.

Smash has DR already.

It has? I was under the impression that it didn't. Well you learn something everyday. How much?

[RobertM525]

Well, it might be interesting to be able to exchange damage for range (e.g., -40% damage, +40% range.)

As for the claim that Smash does more damage than Biotic Slash and that's why it makes sense for it to have less range, according to this...

Smash
Drive the lash into the ground to cause area-of-effect damage and devastating direct damage.
Recharge Speed: 1.54s
= 5(base value) / (1 + 2.25)
2.25 =
+0.25 Smash 2
+2 Weight Cooldown Bonus
Damage: 1045
= 550 (base value)
+20% (110) Smash 3
+30% (165) Smash 4
+40% (220) Smash 5
Range: 8m
= 8m (base value)
Force: 855N
= 450N (base value)
+20% (90N) Smash 3
+30% (135N) Smash 4
+40% (180N) Smash 5
Radius: 1.5m
= 1.5m (base value)
Add a biotic effect to a target that can be detonated. Smash 4
Increase effectiveness against armor and barriers by 75%. Smash 6


Biotic Slash
Charge your sword with biotic energy and slash nearby enemies in a wide swath, flattening unshielded opponents.
Recharge Speed: 1.54s
= 5(base value) / (1 + 2.25)
2.25 =
+0.25 Biotic Slash 2
+2 Weight Cooldown Bonus
Damage: 1100
= 550 (base value)
+20% (110) Biotic Slash 3
+30% (165) Biotic Slash 4
+50% (275) Biotic Slash 6
Range: 20m
= 20m (base value)
Radius: 2m
= 2m (base value)

Modifié par RobertM525, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .

[sigma_draconis]

A skill that does more damage than both Slashes, has evolutions that almost doubles its damage to barriers and armor, ignores elevation and allows you to set up BE/TB does not need any range boost whatsoever.

Modifié par sigma_draconis, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[Pedactor]

Fix Shockwave on PC.

Smash is fine.

Shockwave doesn't work 90% of the time in my experience.