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[Aurora313]

 How do you guys think the rest of the games would have gone? If both VSs had survived Virmire and if the developers decided to turn on of them into a martyr?

edit: Or perhaps if they both had died on Virmire?

Modifié par Aurora313, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:22 .

[Taboo]

It would be interesting, although it might cause some issues.

I think it creates too many variables.

[justafan]

I actually think it would have led to more character developement on both their parts.

As is, they both have to be carbon copies of eachother, Kaiden and Ashley must both have a reason to be on horizon, both have to be attacked by EVA, both must become spectres etc... Without having to be interchangeable, they could have gotten more unique storylines that set them apart more so than they are now.

[Rick Lewis]

Kaiden surviving Virmire is not canon. The majority of fans chose to save Ashley. Therefore Ashely Williams is the canon survivor.

[Taboo]

Rick Lewis wrote...

Kaiden surviving Virmire is not canon. The majority of fans chose to save Ashley. Therefore Ashely Williams is the canon survivor.

No she isn't. Certain aspects are not canon. Bioware has stated this.

[v TricKy v]

Would have been nice actually. That way I could play a pro-human shep throughout the whole game instead of being forced to take alien in my squad after Virmire.

[SpamBot2000]

Virmire isn't gonna be canon once the movie gets made.

[blueumi]

Rick Lewis wrote...

Kaiden surviving Virmire is not canon. The majority of fans chose to save Ashley. Therefore Ashely Williams is the canon survivor.

speak for your game not mine Kaidan always lives on my games and i'm sure there are lots of Kaidan fans besides me

lots of people leave ash to die it's none of that is cannon

[Aurora313]

Ladies and gentlemen, we can argue about 'Canon' and 'non-canon' until the cows come home. What I'm asking is, how do you think the game would change if both Kaidan and Ashley survived Virmire?

[Spitfire017]

For one, I would be fracking thrilled!!! I love both Kaidan and Ash and it would be great to have my two favorite Alliance Marines with me throughout the entire trilogy.

It would have been easy to have both survive Virmire, and have the same impact it had, while feeling the burden of command that Bioware was trying to push in this one decision. (Hell, it would be interesting if you could lose both of them on Virmire)

Bioware would probably put more effort into both characters (especially Ash) and each would have different story arcs, now both being alive in ME2 and 3. In ME2, one would remain on Horizon (I vote Kaidan, since it makes more sense for an officer and a tech expert to be there) and one is encountered during another event.

In ME3, both would be serving under Anderson when the Reapers hit. I hope Ash wouldn't be a Lt.Cmdr, but perhaps a 2nd or 1st Lt, serving as commander of the Marine detachment. Kaidan would be the same rank as Shepard, acting as second in command of the Normandy. During the game you could propose that one or the other becomes a Spectre during the game. I really hate the idea of losing one of them for an entire act of the game, but it could be that Shepard has to choose again, similar to Vimire, but only one of them gets injured. Totally cut out the coup (since that a stupid plot anyway, and only gives Ash/Kaidan haters a chance to kill them), or change it entirely.

[Han Shot First]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Virmire isn't gonna be canon once the movie gets made.

The movie won't override game canon.

It is sort of like Game of Thrones. The HBO series is based on the A Song of Ice of Fire novels, and while the series is mostly faithful, there have been some deviations. That doesn't mean however that the books are no longer canon. Although the both the books and televesion series contain many of the same stories and plotlines, they have to be taken seperately and one doesn't override the other, almost as if the stories are taking place in two seperate universes.

Film Mass Effect and game Mass Effect would also be two seperate things, even if the same story was being told.

[Tritium315]

As someone else said in a similar thread: Bioware would have had to write more than 1 character since Ash and Kaiden were carbon copies of each other in ME2 & 3.

Personally it'd make me sad because I'd have to deal with Kaiden (I gleefully anticipated Virmire every ME1 play through).

[Inquisitor Recon]

Shepard dies of terminal boredom from talking to Kaidan, reapers win.

[blueumi]

Tritium315 wrote...

As someone else said in a similar thread: Bioware would have had to write more than 1 character since Ash and Kaiden were carbon copies of each other in ME2 & 3.

Personally it'd make me sad because I'd have to deal with Kaiden (I gleefully anticipated Virmire every ME1 play through).

i felt that too and smiled knowing ash would be blown to tinly little bits and I would never have to put up with her
 and the only time she is in my game is on edan prime where i skip her scenes as fast as possible hate her so much not even funny

Modifié par blueumi, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:00 .

[caffinefiend23]

Hmmm...

ME2:
Ash would be on Horizon, part of a special forces group sent to uncover Cerberus activity.
Kaidan probably would have been on the Citadel, acting as a guard when you meet with Anderson.
Probably get the same hate speechs though...

ME3:
Ash replaces Vega as a ground pounder, whereas Kaidan acts as the XO of the Normandy.

Or not... Either way, the stories behind each would probably be better developed.

[Han Shot First]

I don't think there would be a major difference for Ashley in ME2. I think she'd still get the Horizon plotline, as the confrontation about Cerberus makes more sense for Ashley than it does Kaidan.

Kaidan would have some changes however. Since Liara is on Illium and Ashley would be on Horizon, they'd probably have you run into Kaidan on the Citadel. He still wouldn't join, but they'd probably tone down his reasons for not joining. Instead of being angry about the Cerberus connections he'd probably be 'busy' with some other assignment from the Alliance.

It is hard to say what impact that would have on ME3 other than Vega probably not being a squadmate. Likely only one of them would become a Spectre as well.

[Rhayak]

How curious that the majority of people saved Ashley. All my chars except one chose Kaidan O_O

Perhaps they would've both ended in a mexican standoff with you in front of the council.... and both smashed against a car by Doctor Eva XDDD

Modifié par Rhayak, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[en2ym3]

justafan wrote...

I actually think it would have led to more character developement on both their parts.

As is, they both have to be carbon copies of eachother, Kaiden and Ashley must both have a reason to be on horizon, both have to be attacked by EVA, both must become spectres etc... Without having to be interchangeable, they could have gotten more unique storylines that set them apart more so than they are now.

Exactly my thoughts.  Though I think for the same reason they probably couldn't have done it, or would somehow have to get rid of one anyhow.  As Taboo mentioned, causes a lot of variables when there's the additional third option of both staying alive.

Rhayak wrote...

How curious that the majority of people saved Ashley. All my chars except one chose Kaidan O_O

Perhaps they would've both ended in a mexican standoff with you in front of the council.... and both smashed against a car by Doctor Eva XDDD

 

I saved Kaiden because my father saved Ashley.   I liked both characters, and couldn't think of any other reasoning as to who I'd choose over the other, so I went for seeing the difference between the two.  In the second playthrough, I made it up to Ashley by saving her that time, I guess.  I always feel extremely guilty after they die. 

Modifié par en2ym3, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .

[LanceSolous13]

Spitfire017 wrote...

For one, I would be fracking thrilled!!! I love both Kaidan and Ash and it would be great to have my two favorite Alliance Marines with me throughout the entire trilogy.

It would have been easy to have both survive Virmire, and have the same impact it had, while feeling the burden of command that Bioware was trying to push in this one decision. (Hell, it would be interesting if you could lose both of them on Virmire)

Bioware would probably put more effort into both characters (especially Ash) and each would have different story arcs, now both being alive in ME2 and 3. In ME2, one would remain on Horizon (I vote Kaidan, since it makes more sense for an officer and a tech expert to be there) and one is encountered during another event.

In ME3, both would be serving under Anderson when the Reapers hit. I hope Ash wouldn't be a Lt.Cmdr, but perhaps a 2nd or 1st Lt, serving as commander of the Marine detachment. Kaidan would be the same rank as Shepard, acting as second in command of the Normandy. During the game you could propose that one or the other becomes a Spectre during the game. I really hate the idea of losing one of them for an entire act of the game, but it could be that Shepard has to choose again, similar to Vimire, but only one of them gets injured. Totally cut out the coup (since that a stupid plot anyway, and only gives Ash/Kaidan haters a chance to kill them), or change it entirely.

Kaidan actually gets promoted to Major Alenko before ME3 (Possibly under Udina's influence as I see no way Ashley could realistically jump 5 ranks in 6 months). I see no reason why he wouldn't should Ash and Kaidan be alive.

[Han Shot First]

I saved Ashley because she was on the AA Tower with the Salarians.

For me it was a choice between saving one man, or saving several lives. Also since Kaidan was babysitting the bomb, I figured with his tech abilities he'd be able to make sure it went off even if his position got overrun.

I liked both characters, and it boiled down to a purely tactical decision.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

If Kaidan and Ashley both survived Virmire I would have to shoot both of them....

[LanceSolous13]

Han Shot First wrote...

I saved Ashley because she was on the AA Tower with the Salarians.

For me it was a choice between saving one man, or saving several lives. Also since Kaidan was babysitting the bomb, I figured with his tech abilities he'd be able to make sure it went off even if his position got overrun.

I liked both characters, and it boiled down to a purely tactical decision.

The Salarians survive as long as you do the four objectives on the way to the base.

[Han Shot First]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I saved Ashley because she was on the AA Tower with the Salarians.

For me it was a choice between saving one man, or saving several lives. Also since Kaidan was babysitting the bomb, I figured with his tech abilities he'd be able to make sure it went off even if his position got overrun.

I liked both characters, and it boiled down to a purely tactical decision.

The Salarians survive as long as you do the four objectives on the way to the base.

The Salarians shouldn't survive if you go back for Kaidan, and Ashley is on the AA Tower. Perhaps they do in the game, but if so it doesn't make much sense.

At any rate it would be metagaming to save Kaidan in that instance just because you know the Salarians will survive even if you leave them.

Going into it unspoiled, there is no reason to expect that they would survive unless Shepard rescues them.

[Binary_Helix 1]

blueumi wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

As someone else said in a similar thread: Bioware would have had to write more than 1 character since Ash and Kaiden were carbon copies of each other in ME2 & 3.

Personally it'd make me sad because I'd have to deal with Kaiden (I gleefully anticipated Virmire every ME1 play through).

i felt that too and smiled knowing ash would be blown to tinly little bits and I would never have to put up with her
 and the only time she is in my game is on edan prime where i skip her scenes as fast as possible hate her so much not even funny

You're just jealous because you're not as pretty.