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[Porenferser]

I thought it would be interesting to see.
Lets assume DA3 offers us the choice to end the conflict betwen those 2 fractions by annihalating the other one in a ME3 Geth-Quarians-matter.
Just minus the peace-option, I highly doubt that either of those 2 would be willing to negotiate^^

Who would you side with?
Please vote
social.bioware.com/2251068/polls/37513/

[Porenferser]

Bump

[Face of Evil]

Could there be an option to wipe them both from the face of Thedas? Otherwise, I have to side with the Tevinters, but only because they're the lesser of two evils.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Xilizhra]

It's implied that Tevinter is weaker, so that's a point for supporting them right there. Aside from that, while technological knowledge can always be obtained, magical knowledge has a way of being lost, and I'd far rather see what Tevinter has preserved than have the qunari march over everything.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I can't honestly make an intelligent decision about which I would support/save without knowing far more about them.

[Anvos]

How is this a question? Tevintar losing means there is nobody left holding the qunari back from launching a full invasion of Thedas whenever they want.

Also if Tevintar was about to fall they would likely spite the whole world by sundering the veil over every city they had left.

[ladyofpayne]

Qunari. Slavetraders must be Qunarized.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 08 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[CelestJP]

actually the Antivan's would hold the Qunari back as even the Qunari are afraid of the Crows but then again its a nation that has an assassin lurking around every corner

Modifié par CelestJP, 08 août 2012 - 08:06 .

[nightscrawl]

Hm... Well... If I were absolutely forced to make the decision, I would have to side with the Tevinter. Acknowledging of course that thousands of innocents would die on either side, the deciding factor for me is long term danger. The Imperium seem content to be by themselves, supporting their own way of life (Black Divine, blood magic, slaves, etc), and don't really seem to give a damn about the rest of Thedas. The Qunari on the other hand seem a far greater threat in the long term, and for exactly the reasons we saw in DA2. I think there will come a time where they just can't stand the thought of these other nations and peoples, living their chaotic lives of self-destruction, wallowing in greed and self-absorption. Then they will finally do something about it.

I think that even Fenris would say that the Qunari are a bigger threat.

[ShadowLordXII]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Qunari. Slavetraders must be Qunarized.

This is the decider for me.  The Qunari aren't really nice either, but at least they have a sense of honor and they only acted out in DA2 due to extrenuating circumstances (Isabella stealing their tome; being stranded in Kirkwall; getting picked on by the Chantry extremists and other parties; constantly being pulled into Kirkwall's corruption).

The Imperium on the other hand...brought the darkspawn and blight in the world; destroyed Arlathan; and have practiced slavery since the day they learned what a whip was.

[Xilizhra]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Qunari. Slavetraders must be Qunarized.

They already have been. Every qunari is a slave.

[EricHVela]

A choice of absolute, unwavering order (Qun) or controlled chaos (Magisters)?

Neither exist. One adapts to chaos. One doesn't control it. Chaos exits despite all efforts and unwavering order will not adapt to it.

Yet, it's not a question of whether either can truly exist. It's a question of having to choose to help one losing side over the other losing side. It's a question of how to be less of a loser.

Qunari have pride (despite their claims) even though they have no choice. There is no moral judgment. It's the Qun or not.

Tevinter leaves no choice for those not in power (and they do not disguise it) and care nothing about pride or decency. Codes of conduct are the products of whims and fancy in the claim of order.

By what standards would you be willing to live?

[Porenferser]

Xilizhra wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

Qunari. Slavetraders must be Qunarized.

They already have been. Every qunari is a slave.

How are the Qunari slaves if they are willingly how they are?
They think their way of life is right, they don't have a problem with fullfilling their roles, even the mages.
Everyone is a little brushstroke in the big picture.

The Imperium on the other hand enslaves elves/people against their wills and treats them like dirt.

Modifié par Porenferser, 09 août 2012 - 03:35 .

[KainD]

I want my protagonist to be part of Tevinter Imperium, so Tevinter.

[Anvos]

Porenferser wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

Qunari. Slavetraders must be Qunarized.

They already have been. Every qunari is a slave.

How are the Qunari slaves if they are willingly how they are?
They think their way of life is right, they don't have a problem with fullfilling their roles, even the mages.
Everyone is a little brushstroke in the big picture.

The Imperium on the other hand enslaves elves/people against their wills and treats them like dirt.

Because if you live in qunari land and don't sumbit to the qun your either drugged into complacency or have to live as an outlaw.  Not to mention if you live in the qun 99% of your life is determined by them and if you like the arts but they say toilet scruber its too bad for you.  At least in the imperium you have the chance of rolling the luck card and be born with magic.

Modifié par Anvos, 09 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[esper]

I vote Tevinter, slavery > brainwash + slavery.

As Fenris stated, Qunari never waste anything, the fate that awaited Isabella had they caught her is slavery.

[The Hierophant]

I wish their was an option to get rid of them both.

Anvos wrote...

At least in the imperium you have the chance of rolling the luck card and be born with magic

Don't forget that slaves are used as fuel for blood magic like Orana's father, and friends were by Hadriana. Both of the Factions look equally craptastic to me, but if you get rid of one the other will pose a clear threat to the rest of Thedas.

[Dave of Canada]

Depends on who the protagonist is.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Tevinters, Qunari, they're all thieves, all tyrants. They'll bend the knee or I will destroy them.

[Anvos]

The Hierophant wrote...

I wish their was an option to get rid of them both.

Anvos wrote...

At least in the imperium you have the chance of rolling the luck card and be born with magic

Don't forget that slaves are used as fuel for blood magic like Orana's father, and friends were by Hadriana. Both of the Factions look equally craptastic to me, but if you get rid of one the other will pose a clear threat to the rest of Thedas.

Orana's father and friends died because a murderous elf with a chip on his shoulder against all magic was coming with a group of skilled friends to kill her.  In truth there is little difference between that and if they had been cut down by Fenris trying to buy their master time to retreat.

Also as a whole it seems less likely tevintars go about killing their slaves on a day to day basis as its just bad economics to destroy a renuable resource that can still be of useful to you while its renuing.

[MisterJB]

Can't I just destroy both?

If I had to pick the least of two evils...Qunari. At least they have a sense of compassion for others.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 août 2012 - 10:26 .

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Can't I just destroy both?

If I had to pick the least of two evils...Qunari. At least they have a sense of compassion for others.

Only others who submit to the Qun. Those who don't are mindraped into brainless slavery. One can at least change one's position in Tevinter, though generally with difficulty.

[The Hierophant]

Anvos wrote...

Orana's father and friends died because a murderous elf with a chip on his shoulder against all magic was coming with a group of skilled friends to kill her.  In truth there is little difference between that and if they had been cut down by Fenris trying to buy their master time to retreat.

Orana's father and friends were killed because Hadrianna chose to do so, like how she chose to antagonize Fenris whom she had abused on more then one occasion. Going by Orana's emaciated appearance I seriouly doubt the slaves had the strengh, or energy to hold back Fenris who's capable of running right through them in ghost mode with no harm to anyone.

Also as a whole it seems less likely tevintars go about killing their slaves on a day to day basis as its just bad economics to destroy a renuable resource that can still be of useful to you while its renuing.

This doesn't change the fact that slaves are sacrificed to fuel the magisters rituals during their petty political feuds, so i don't see any justification in using an already down trodden people as batteries.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 10 août 2012 - 11:14 .