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How many squaddies have you killed/let die? (Polls on first post - Please Vote!)


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earendil87

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I'm starting this thread to see how many people have chosen the options to kill/let die your companions throughout the three games. Most of us have played different times choosing different options but when you answer this polls it's very important that you have in mind your main playthrough, the one you like the most or the one that you consider the "real" one. Please vote, it won't take you more than a minute:

 -  Did you kill Wrex on Virmire? [ME1]

 -  Did any of your squaddies die on the suicide mission? [ME2] 

 -  Did you save Samara or Morinth? [ME2] 

 -  Did you kill Ashley/Kaidan after the Citadel coup? [ME3]

 -  Did Mordin die in your ME3?

 -  Do you think there should have been an option to save Thane? [ME3] 

 -  Did you side with the Quarians or the geth? [ME3]

BioWare has given us many options to interact with the other characters. Which ones do you prefer? Is there any option you would never choose? Do you think there should have been more? which ones?

Modifié par earendil87, 30 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .


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zapphoman24

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Wrex/Virmire- Never!

Suicide mission- On my first playthrough, Legion died. On my second one, Samara and Mordin.

Samara or Morinth- Samara everytime.

Ashley/Kaidan Citadel coup- They lived.

Mordin/ME3- I almost cried, but yeah.

Thane- He died a hero. I prefer it that way (sorry Thane lovers)

As for an option I would never choose...siding with the Geth on Rannoch.

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earendil87

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Well, the Thane thing would just be and option, you don't have to choose it if you don't want. There's the option of killing Wrex and I would never use it but I'm not against it...

But I agree with you in everything else

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Serenade22

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zapphoman24 wrote...
Thane- He died a hero. I prefer it that way (sorry Thane lovers)

The question is not what do you prefer, or if you like Thane dying. The question is if you agree with having an option to save him, for the ones who want to take it.

Good polls earendil !
Maybe you can add one poll about the Virmire survivor on ME1 too ^^.

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 I think you should add vote for: "Did you chose Geths / Quarians? Or did you made peace between them?";)

I chose Quarians because of Tali but it made me very sad when Legion dies :crying: But I'm going to play ME2 again to make right decisions so I can make peace between them ^_^

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Voted yes for Thane. The sihas deserve a better ending.

*Siha!*

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earendil87

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@Gamecontact done it! ^^

Thanks Serenade :) I didn't add the VS poll because I supposed that would be around 50% and I specially want to check to options that are very unpopular, like killing Samara that has already 0% votes (with 48 voters) XD

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- Talked it out with Wrex and let Ash be the hero on Virmire.
- Everyone lived through the SM (still cannot believe I pulled that off blindly...)
- Saved Samara.
- Kaidan trusted me in the Citadel coup.
- I had to kill Mordin to ensure the sabotage, Wrex too after he discovered it.
- I think it is silly that you can rebuild a human out of a brain but you cannot grow some new lungs for a Drell.
- I sided with the Geth, but luckily the Quarians saw reason just in time to not drive themselves to extintion (once more).

Modifié par Rubios, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:20 .


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Killed Wrex
Tali and Kasumi died on suicide mission
Shot Mordin
Samara off'ed hedself then I shot Falere
Saved Ash ...my only paragon moment(s)
Raan off'ed herself

Yeah, renegade in ME3 is pretty gruesome. But I loved it.

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What was so compelling about the sacrifice of every other character is that if you wanted to save them you had to sacrifice something of equal value, a life, an opportunity, etc. I think that's what ME is all about, choices, hard choices but they are your choices.

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Ashley died on Virmire, Mordin got blown up in the tower, Thane and Legion both received fatal stabbings, and EDI got wiped out by red space magic.

Everyone else lived.

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- Did you kill Wrex on Virmire? [ME1] most games no 1 game yes

- Did any of your squaddies die on the suicide mission? [ME2] some games no some games yes

- Did you save Samara or Morinth? [ME2] Always Samara

- Did you kill Ashley/Kaidan after the Citadel coup? [ME3] No

- Did Mordin die in your ME3? yes

- Do you think there should have been an option to save Thane? [ME3] His death made me cry but I didn't have a problem with it so no. They did need more interaction with him and really a much better romance comment besides the make out in the hospital lobby.

- Did you side with the Quarians or the geth? [ME3] Yes. and a couple where they worked together.


edit - I was going to answer the poll but i don't have one Shepard that is THE Shepard.  Each one is important to me.

Modifié par mopotter, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:47 .


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thearbiter1337

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 -  Saved Wrex

 -  None

 -  Samara 
 
 -  Nope

 -  Yes

 -  Meh

 -  Peace

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Sarcastic Tasha

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For my canon Shep:
- Saved Wrex but went on to kill him in ME3
- All survived SM
- Saved Morinth
- Talked Ashley down after the coup
- Shot Mordin in the back
- Didn't want a cure for Thane but wouldn't minded him living a bit longer
- Made peace

But I've also had a playthrough where Ashley shot Wrex, 4 squaddies died in the SM, Mordin survived ME3 and the Quarians killed the Geth.

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Okay ... so far:

- Wrex saved
- All characters survived SM
- Samara
- Ashley survived and rejoined the crew
- Mordin sacrificed himself
- I'd like to see a "semi-cure" for Thane, buying him more time till a real cure can be found (hope for Thane!)
- Peace, of course. Two guns are better than only one, right?

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@earendil87 - Very nice set of polls. My thoughts on the Thane poll follow (and should be noted that I think this poll is good, but it will have resistance.....which I explain below.)

I think the problem with the Thane poll, is that it is the ONLY example (of the polls you created) that doesn't represent an option that was made in the game (when BW created me3) from the very beginning (unlike the option we DID get to kill/not kill Wrex, choose Samara or Morinth, ect...).

Thus, some people have a hard time seeing beyond what was already made, or because it was how it was made, they were fine with it to begin with. Simply put; he dies no matter what, as it stands.

Those that wanted an option, didn't get it. Those that didn't care, or were fine with the results of his outcome (as they were written in me3), see this as a non-issue. Choices are best when presented from the start; people having to "imagine" how it could have been different after the fact, generally don't bother to, since they don't have to.

If the game would have provided an option from the very beginning, I think the way it would be viewed by many, would be no different than how most see the option to kill/not kill Wrex, choose Samara or Morinth, or any other life/death coice we have made throughout the series. Some would still say that he should die, but had the choice already been offered, they could still have him die.

The option should have been presented from the very beginning. Alas, it was not. I will always believe that there are options even now to allow for choice, however I have very little hope that this will happen. Pity.

Happy gaming, everyone!

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earendil87 wrote...

@Gamecontact done it! ^^


Thanks :P

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zapphoman24

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Serenade22 wrote...

zapphoman24 wrote...
Thane- He died a hero. I prefer it that way (sorry Thane lovers)

The question is not what do you prefer, or if you like Thane dying. The question is if you agree with having an option to save him, for the ones who want to take it.

Good polls earendil !
Maybe you can add one poll about the Virmire survivor on ME1 too ^^.


Well...then I would have to save him because my Shepard would want to save him and if he didn't do it, there would be something there to make him feel bad about it. So no...I don't agree.

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darthnick427

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Saved Wrex

No one died in suicide mission. (Though I might go back and kill Jacob)

Chose Samara

Mordin sacrificed himself. *sniff* I'll miss that glorious bastard :')

There should have been a way to save Thane though I'm totally fine with him going out like a hero

Got peace between the Geth and Quarians.....Legion should have lived in the peace one.....but that's just me still being sad that Legion dies no matter what....

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Nice polls, Earendil.  Thanks for putting them up.


Wrex = lives

Suicide Mission = everyone lives

Save Samara/kill Morinth.....I couldn't even kill Smara on my single Renegade playthrough, lol

VS  = lives through Citadel Coup

Mordin = died....I cried like a freaking baby

Thane = Needs an option to live



What's really obvious from the results so far is that most players will save their squadmates when the option is presented.  Mordin is the exception to the rule, because you can only save him if:  A--Wreav is alive (and Wrex would be dead), B--the player destroyed Maelon's data on Tuchanka (renegade option, I  think), which resulted in Eve's death.  What's also really obvious...big surprise....is that players like happy endings!


As for Thane, while there are already many thread on this topic, and I  don't want to hijack this thread, I do have a few comments...

1. Non-romancers of Thane tend to like his death and handling in ME3, as it flows quite well with his non-romanced character in ME2.  Especially if you went renegade.  That is fact.  However, there is another fact.  That fact is that the character continutity between a romanced ME2 Thane and a romanced ME3 Thane is quite broken, and was handled horribly by the ME3 writers. 

2. This is exactly the reason that an option to save him should be given -- because his storyline takes a dramatic fork upon romancing him.  Having a single conclusion available to the character, when his behavior changes so radically upon romancing him, doesn't make sense in context of his story, as a whole.  In contrast, having 2 different outcomes, one that matches the behavior of Thane as a friend and as LI, would make the most sense.

3. The only other instance in the series that is remotely similar to what BW did with Thane, is the event on Virmire with Kaidan/Ashley.  BW does force a squadmate in the game to die.  Likely for emotional impact and realism.  HOWEVER, the player still gets to choose which one dies, and therefore, can chose the one that is not their LI (if either are). 

Interestingly, BW backpedaled a bit on this in ME2, and allowed players the option to get through the "Suicide" Mission without requiring any squadmates/LIs to die.   I think that this explains one facet of why many players were surprised and displeased with Thane's unavoidable death in ME3.  If that player started with ME2, they had never even experienced the mandatory death of Kaidan/Ash on Virmire. It's logical for them to think that if the entire crew could survive the supposed suicide mission in the previous game, that something would come up that would enable them to save Thane in ME3.   Especially considering the foreshadowing present in ME2 that provided BW the appropriate avenues to do so.

4. For players that think saving Thane in the game just would not be plausible due to the "terminal" nature of his condition, I offer the following:

A. Shephard was brought back from the dead.  Literally.

B. Asari exchange DNA  through some type of mating ritual that involves "melding" of their nervous systems with other individuals. Whatever that means.

C. A cure for the genophage was found, which apparently needed to alter the DNA  in every cell of every krogan.  If you know anything about biology and genetics, this would be exceedingly difficult to do.

D. The Synthesis Ending requires ridiculous amounts of space magic and challenges even the most dedicated RPer's suspension of disbelief.

Honestly, a lung transplant, artificial lungs, drug, or gene therapy regimen that could at the very least extend Thane's life are all completely plausible and likley, in comparison to the above. 

In my opinion, using the logic of "oh you know he was terminal" in light of the above is a cop out.  Anyone who doesn't have issues with any of the above, shouldn't have issues with implementing some option of a cure/life extension for Thane.



The best solution to such a divided player-base is to give both camps what they want.  Considering that allowing players to determine the course of the story is what ME has been about since it's inception, this should not be a ridiculous or unexpected request. The conclusion of Thane's story in ME3 should have more than 1 outcome, similar to the fate of other squadmates in the ME series.

Sigh.   The formatting on these forums is seriously starting to irritate me.

Modifié par giftfish, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .


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I always kill a few squadmates in the Suicide Mission.

Other than that, my votes were for the majority each time.

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Killed Wrex? -- Hell no!

Suicide Mission casualties -- None, although I did edit some of my savegames so that Mordin has died. I like him, but I think Padok Wiks is a great character, too.

Samara or Morinth -- Samara, always. Did save Morinth once to get her bonus power, then loaded an earlier save so I could save Samara.

Citadel Coup -- Neither, although I wouldn't mind shooting Ashley.

Mordin died? -- Yes, if he was present. Otherwise it was Wiks who sacrificed himself.

Saving Thange -- I wouldn't mind if the option was there, but I'm not going to actively lobby for it. I'm fine with Thane's death as it is.

Quarians or Geth -- Saved both in all playthroughs, but if I had to choose, I would choose the Geth.

Modifié par Rikketik, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:56 .


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Wrex lives
No Suicide mission deaths
Save Samara
Didn't kill VS
Mordin dies
Thane should have been savable
Saved Geth

The ME2 choices are my most often picked outcomes, but what makes replay so enjoyable for me is having the choices available. I have played ME and ME2 other ways but have only played ME3 once because my shepards characters are totally broken in the game so the outcomes listed are just how it panned out in that one depressing PT.

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Wrex lives
Everyone on my squadteam lives
I saved Samara
VS lives
Mordin died sacrificing himself  (yet in a way you have an option to save him)
Thane should have an option to live  (He doesn't have an option at all even when he's femshep's LI)
Peace between Quarians and Geth

Knowing what happened to Thane in ME 3 I couldn't watch him die so I ignored him....wow Bioware *shakes head* wow...no option to save him...no option at all! *sighs*

Modifié par Roxy, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:23 .


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- Wrex Lives
- Tali and Jacob always dies.
- Saved Samara.
- VS dies, the other options is that s/he never boards the Normandy again..
- Mordin sacrifies himself.
- Thane should live, for me he isn't the expendable character that bioware wants.
- quarians always dies, by their own stupidity of starting a new conflict with the Reapers on the galaxy.

Modifié par Skullheart, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:30 .