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[Hyunsai]

Anyway, anyone got a link to where Bioware said Mass Effect 2 is no longer a RPG ?



It would be hilarious to see them refuse 2010 RPG awards by saying that.

[Inarai]

Hyunsai wrote...

Anyway, anyone got a link to where Bioware said Mass Effect 2 is no longer a RPG ?

My guess is that's an inference from an article where they didn't say "RPG".

Because, you everything must be explicitly stated at all times...

[Torias]

Hyunsai wrote...

Anyway, anyone got a link to where Bioware said Mass Effect 2 is no longer a RPG ?

It would be hilarious to see them refuse 2010 RPG awards by saying that.

No.

Bioware never said anything like that.

Mass Effect 2 is an RPG.

Mass Effect (1) was a fantastic RPG.

Sure, it had a preset "role", but so does the hard core rpg'ers favourite rpg of all time (Planescape Torment).

[Sylvius the Mad]

Torias wrote...

Hyunsai wrote...

Anyway, anyone got a link to where Bioware said Mass Effect 2 is no longer a RPG ?

It would be hilarious to see them refuse 2010 RPG awards by saying that.

No.

Bioware never said anything like that.

Mass Effect 2 is an RPG.

Mass Effect (1) was a fantastic RPG.

Sure, it had a preset "role", but so does the hard core rpg'ers favourite rpg of all time (Planescape Torment).

First, it's not the preset role that stops ME from being an RPG.

As for the other, it was Greg Zeschuk giving an interview.  He said "The tradition of the RPG is a lot more like Dragon Age, whereas Mass
Effect is more like a game with RPG features. I would consider it more
of a Shooter RPG. Especially after the changes we have made in this
one: it is even more like a shooter."

This was in an interview he did with IGN, published October 8, 2009.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 22 décembre 2009 - 08:56 .

[robotnist]

it was successful at sending me into a 1 month long orgasm.



THANKS BIO!!!



(clicks teeth / thumbs up)

"chk-chk"

[Grommash94]

It most likely was a success. This game is incredible, imo.

[Atreiden]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

DAO sold more on the 360 and PS3(each not together) and the game can be flawlessly played on consoles unlike on the PC so that makes all their efforts of developing for the PC first futile. I think that they started development for consoles when they realized there would be no income to be had from the PC gaming market. If they had been capable of delivering a slightly playable game on the PC I would now also own the PC version since my PC easily meets the recommended specs.....but they could not deliver a slightly playable game....such a pity....oh well it's not like I was actually hoping the PC version to be playable prior to release. I hold no such delusions and simply downloading the Character Creator and going through 5 hours of headaches for 2 minutes of play to unlock an in-game item along with reading around the forums about a trillion game-breaking issues on that platform simply confirmed my expectations.

Maybe one day they'll be smart enough to realize there is no reason to bother developing for the PC.

what drugs do you take? no seriously, WTF are you talking about, the game runs flawless on pc and I had the game from release date. haven't encountered a single bug and oh pc gets the toolkit...

[Darth_Trethon]

Atreiden wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

DAO sold more on the 360 and PS3(each not together) and the game can be flawlessly played on consoles unlike on the PC so that makes all their efforts of developing for the PC first futile. I think that they started development for consoles when they realized there would be no income to be had from the PC gaming market. If they had been capable of delivering a slightly playable game on the PC I would now also own the PC version since my PC easily meets the recommended specs.....but they could not deliver a slightly playable game....such a pity....oh well it's not like I was actually hoping the PC version to be playable prior to release. I hold no such delusions and simply downloading the Character Creator and going through 5 hours of headaches for 2 minutes of play to unlock an in-game item along with reading around the forums about a trillion game-breaking issues on that platform simply confirmed my expectations.

Maybe one day they'll be smart enough to realize there is no reason to bother developing for the PC.

what drugs do you take? no seriously, WTF are you talking about, the game runs flawless on pc and I had the game from release date. haven't encountered a single bug and oh pc gets the toolkit...

Then you are fortunate.....just stick your head for 30 seconds in the PC support forums that are flowing with complaints. I didn't actually do that for more than 30 seconds literally because the ammount of madness in there can easily cause one to lose his/her minds. Most of the insane PC game breaking bugs I read about were here in the general discussion or story spoiler forum and that's just on top of the nightmares I myself experienced with the lousy CC.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 22 décembre 2009 - 10:50 .

[flem1]

Are you folks actually arguing with Troll Treton?

[Mordaedil]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Then you are fortunate.....just stick your head for 30 seconds in the PC support forums that are flowing with complaints. I didn't actually do that for more than 30 seconds literally because the ammount of madness in there can easily cause one to lose his/her minds. Most of the insane PC game breaking bugs I read about were here in the general discussion or story spoiler forum and that's just on top of the nightmares I myself experienced with the lousy CC.

IE: I am talking out of my ass and I have no idea what the hell I am really talking about, but I'm going to keep talking about it, because I don't know ****.

GTFO.

[Darth_Trethon]

Mordaedil wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Then you are fortunate.....just stick your head for 30 seconds in the PC support forums that are flowing with complaints. I didn't actually do that for more than 30 seconds literally because the ammount of madness in there can easily cause one to lose his/her minds. Most of the insane PC game breaking bugs I read about were here in the general discussion or story spoiler forum and that's just on top of the nightmares I myself experienced with the lousy CC.

IE: I am talking out of my ass and I have no idea what the hell I am really talking about, but I'm going to keep talking about it, because I don't know ****.

GTFO.

And you have exactly nothing to say but petty insults. The fact remains that the PC support forums are flooded with activity as much as the main forum if not more while the 360 and PS3 support forums are about dead with hours passing between posts. The PC has hundreds of game breaking issues while the consoles barely have a few minor issues. Go ahead insult me all you like but the end fact remains that all I do is put some truth down on these forums where it is desperately needed.

Every gamer deserves to know the truth about a product before wasting their money on it.

[Beerfish]

I have had zero problems on the pc version of the game and I have an older pc. Not one crash or bug. I have had a couple cutscene bugs in the Xbox version. all in all both versions have been very stable.

[Atreiden]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

And you have exactly nothing to say but petty insults. The fact remains that the PC support forums are flooded with activity as much as the main forum if not more while the 360 and PS3 support forums are about dead with hours passing between posts. The PC has hundreds of game breaking issues while the consoles barely have a few minor issues. Go ahead insult me all you like but the end fact remains that all I do is put some truth down on these forums where it is desperately needed.

Every gamer deserves to know the truth about a product before wasting their money on it.

And you choose to conclude that that must mean the pc-version is more bug-ridden, not that more people are playing the pc version and therefor discovers more bugs. You are not putting any truth down, you are drawing a conclusion on secondhand evidence, which can countered by other conclusions based on the exact same evidence.

the very fact that several people, my self included, have now stated that they haven't encountered any gamebreaking bugs on the pc version proves you wrong and makes your initial hard attack on the pc version even more silly (it was silly from the start, since you haven't actually played the pc version).

[Darth_Trethon]

Atreiden wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

And you have exactly nothing to say but petty insults. The fact remains that the PC support forums are flooded with activity as much as the main forum if not more while the 360 and PS3 support forums are about dead with hours passing between posts. The PC has hundreds of game breaking issues while the consoles barely have a few minor issues. Go ahead insult me all you like but the end fact remains that all I do is put some truth down on these forums where it is desperately needed.

Every gamer deserves to know the truth about a product before wasting their money on it.

And you choose to conclude that that must mean the pc-version is more bug-ridden, not that more people are playing the pc version and therefor discovers more bugs. You are not putting any truth down, you are drawing a conclusion on secondhand evidence, which can countered by other conclusions based on the exact same evidence.

the very fact that several people, my self included, have now stated that they haven't encountered any gamebreaking bugs on the pc version proves you wrong and makes your initial hard attack on the pc version even more silly (it was silly from the start, since you haven't actually played the pc version).

That's a laugh.....the 360 sold in the top 10 best selling games this holliday while the PC is not even worth mentioning. The case is deffinitely NOT that more people are playing it. It's a loooong history that has gone on for yeasrs that every game other than MMOs sell better on consoles.....this has remained true since the PS2/xbox days.

There is a distinct lack of game stopping/breaking issues reported on consoles......I have not see one such report on consoles while I have seen dozens on the PC and even experienced some with the CC myself.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:30 .

[Atreiden]

prove that by numbers please or stop making such claims. That there are sold more games on the console market in general is a fact that few people would deny, that this particular game should have sold more on the X-box market compared to pc market, I will believe when I see the numbers, untill then, I will continue to belive it's just bs from your part.

[Sensorie]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

There is a distinct lack of game stopping/breaking issues reported on consoles......I have not see one such report on consoles while I have seen dozens on the PC and even experienced some with the CC myself.

The myriad of hardware configurations will inevitably lead to more potential problems, but those problems are in no way reflective of any inherent issues with the PC version of Dragon Age. I, and many other owners of the PC version, have experienced no problems with the game, and this includes all official DLC and user-made mods.

You cannot simply base your judgement on the number of threads in the support forum. A lot of most common problems are addressed in the stickied topics, although many users post their problem without bothering to read readily available information, although they can be forgiven considering this forum's inadequate search functionality.

If you're actually interested in the truth, I'm wondering why you insist on continuing this tirade against PC version littered with hyperbole, ignoring the fact that there are plenty of gamers who are not complaining of any problems. Of course you don't see their contentment, because they having nothing to complain about.

Modifié par Sensory, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:51 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Atreiden wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

And you have exactly nothing to say but petty insults. The fact remains that the PC support forums are flooded with activity as much as the main forum if not more while the 360 and PS3 support forums are about dead with hours passing between posts. The PC has hundreds of game breaking issues while the consoles barely have a few minor issues. Go ahead insult me all you like but the end fact remains that all I do is put some truth down on these forums where it is desperately needed.

Every gamer deserves to know the truth about a product before wasting their money on it.

And you choose to conclude that that must mean the pc-version is more bug-ridden, not that more people are playing the pc version and therefor discovers more bugs. You are not putting any truth down, you are drawing a conclusion on secondhand evidence, which can countered by other conclusions based on the exact same evidence.

the very fact that several people, my self included, have now stated that they haven't encountered any gamebreaking bugs on the pc version proves you wrong and makes your initial hard attack on the pc version even more silly (it was silly from the start, since you haven't actually played the pc version).

That's a laugh.....the 360 sold in the top 10 best selling games this holliday while the PC is not even worth mentioning. The case is deffinitely NOT that more people are playing it. It's a loooong history that has gone on for yeasrs that every game other than MMOs sell better on consoles.....this has remained true since the PS2/xbox days.

There is a distinct lack of game stopping/breaking issues reported on consoles......I have not see one such report on consoles while I have seen dozens on the PC and even experienced some with the CC myself.

*Sigh*  If there are more bugs on PC that is because it is not a standardised platform.  All 360s are the same, whereas all PCs are different from one another and the devs have no standard to work to.  That is the drawback to PCs just as the drawback to consoles is that they cannot have user-made content available to them nor develop it themselves, whereas not only can the PC user make and use this content but also fix many of the problems with user made patches while the console version has to wait on the devs to release a patch, followed by it being permitted by the company that owns the console to release it. 

It is also a simple fact that the game does run better on PC, you have a far greater degree of control over party members than you do in the console version, and it was designed primarily with PC in mind before being ported over.  You have plenty of other games that were designed for console first and works best on them, so there is no reason to get so defensive of your platform of choice, nor any need to demean other equally valid platforms.  Hey, the more platforms the better for the consumer right?

EDIT: oh and one further note, just because there are more posts in the technical forums from PC users is not a valid measurement.  PC users are more likely in general to report to the forums than console users since they are usually on their PC anyway, while console gamers are generally not such big forum-goers.  Not a bash on console gamers, just a fact that they are simply different types of people, and why you cannot ever say that the results of a survey are valid, since those who refuse to respond may be of a specific mindset that is different from those that did, thereby you have skewered your results.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:52 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Atreiden wrote...

prove that by numbers please or stop making such claims. That there are sold more games on the console market in general is a fact that few people would deny, that this particular game should have sold more on the X-box market compared to pc market, I will believe when I see the numbers, untill then, I will continue to belive it's just bs from your part.

As I said the 360 is in the top 10.....6th or 7th I think and the PC is not in the top 10.......EA/BioWare has not released any sales estimates for PC and if they are embarassing enough I don't suspect they ever will. Most games never release PC sales estimates......plus this game has particularly high system requirements.....in the middle of an economic downfall. You could immagine that the PC version sold 50 million copies and they are keeping it secret because they don't like the spotlight of success but that is highly unlikely to be the case.

[Sensorie]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

......plus this game has particularly high system requirements.....in the middle of an economic downfall.

The mininum system requirements are not high at all, and this game scales well across different systems.

[FlintlockJazz]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Atreiden wrote...

prove that by numbers please or stop making such claims. That there are sold more games on the console market in general is a fact that few people would deny, that this particular game should have sold more on the X-box market compared to pc market, I will believe when I see the numbers, untill then, I will continue to belive it's just bs from your part.

As I said the 360 is in the top 10.....6th or 7th I think and the PC is not in the top 10.......EA/BioWare has not released any sales estimates for PC and if they are embarassing enough I don't suspect they ever will. Most games never release PC sales estimates......plus this game has particularly high system requirements.....in the middle of an economic downfall. You could immagine that the PC version sold 50 million copies and they are keeping it secret because they don't like the spotlight of success but that is highly unlikely to be the case.

Really?  I call BS, link please?

www.play.com/Games/PC/6-/TopSellers.html DA is number 1.
www.bit-tech.net/news/top-10-pc-games-chart DA is number 6 after going down from number 5.
www.game.co.uk/Default.aspx/Games/PC-Games/_/N-1z13fvfZ1z13mn1Z1z13f8z DA is number 2.

Also, if we look at Gamefaqs we see that the top ten games there include DA for PC at number 2, DA for X360 at number 3, and DA for PS3 all the way down at number 9.  Now, if you are going to continue claiming otherwise, please provide evidence, thank you and good day.

[Darth_Trethon]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

*Sigh*  If there are more bugs on PC that is because it is not a standardised platform.  All 360s are the same, whereas all PCs are different from one another and the devs have no standard to work to.  That is the drawback to PCs just as the drawback to consoles is that they cannot have user-made content available to them nor develop it themselves, whereas not only can the PC user make and use this content but also fix many of the problems with user made patches while the console version has to wait on the devs to release a patch, followed by it being permitted by the company that owns the console to release it. 

It is also a simple fact that the game does run better on PC, you have a far greater degree of control over party members than you do in the console version, and it was designed primarily with PC in mind before being ported over.  You have plenty of other games that were designed for console first and works best on them, so there is no reason to get so defensive of your platform of choice, nor any need to demean other equally valid platforms.  Hey, the more platforms the better for the consumer right?

EDIT: oh and one further note, just because there are more posts in the technical forums from PC users is not a valid measurement.  PC users are more likely in general to report to the forums than console users since they are usually on their PC anyway, while console gamers are generally not such big forum-goers.  Not a bash on console gamers, just a fact that they are simply different types of people, and why you cannot ever say that the results of a survey are valid, since those who refuse to respond may be of a specific mindset that is different from those that did, thereby you have skewered your results.

I get that there are software and hardware mixups that can make life a nightmare and mods are mostly incompatible with patches and certainly have no support so any screw-up and you're on our own. All that is an absolute nightmare best avoided. Better controlls.....I have to disagree since I find my controller far more comfortable but whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Darth_Trethon]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Atreiden wrote...

prove that by numbers please or stop making such claims. That there are sold more games on the console market in general is a fact that few people would deny, that this particular game should have sold more on the X-box market compared to pc market, I will believe when I see the numbers, untill then, I will continue to belive it's just bs from your part.

As I said the 360 is in the top 10.....6th or 7th I think and the PC is not in the top 10.......EA/BioWare has not released any sales estimates for PC and if they are embarassing enough I don't suspect they ever will. Most games never release PC sales estimates......plus this game has particularly high system requirements.....in the middle of an economic downfall. You could immagine that the PC version sold 50 million copies and they are keeping it secret because they don't like the spotlight of success but that is highly unlikely to be the case.

Really?  I call BS, link please?

www.play.com/Games/PC/6-/TopSellers.html DA is number 1.
www.bit-tech.net/news/top-10-pc-games-chart DA is number 6 after going down from number 5.
www.game.co.uk/Default.aspx/Games/PC-Games/_/N-1z13fvfZ1z13mn1Z1z13f8z DA is number 2.

Also, if we look at Gamefaqs we see that the top ten games there include DA for PC at number 2, DA for X360 at number 3, and DA for PS3 all the way down at number 9.  Now, if you are going to continue claiming otherwise, please provide evidence, thank you and good day.

PC sales but the #1 PC selling game doesn't come close to dreaming of comparing with the #1 console selling game that sold 4.2 million copies on one console in november alone and also occupies #2 on a different console with 1.8 mil cpoies for a total of 6 mil copies sold in one month. Being the best selling on PC is like being the world's tallest midget.

http://www.gamespot....ws/6242760.html

DAO...xbox 360 #9 with 360k in November.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 22 décembre 2009 - 04:07 .

[Chokladglass]

flem1 wrote...

Are you folks actually arguing with Troll Treton?

Resistance is futile. Abort mission. Flee!

[Sensorie]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I get that there are software and hardware mixups that can make life a nightmare and mods are mostly incompatible with patches and certainly have no support so any screw-up and you're on our own. All that is an absolute nightmare best avoided.

Best avoided? The toolset was released for a reason. BioWare are hoping for this game to follow a similar path as Neverwinter Nights, and that is dependent on fans creating custom content and modules.

[FlintlockJazz]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I get that there are software and hardware mixups that can make life a nightmare and mods are mostly incompatible with patches and certainly have no support so any screw-up and you're on our own. All that is an absolute nightmare best avoided. Better controlls.....I have to disagree since I find my controller far more comfortable but whatever floats your boat I guess.

First off, it being best avoided is only true in your opinion, in my opinion it's well worth it, so it is not fact.  It is also nowhere near as bad as you are constantly trying to make it out as, and as a primarily PC gamer I can attest that it is not as bad as you have made it out to be.  As to the controller, I wasn't refering to them at all, but rather to the fact that you do not have the controls ingame, such as the tactical view, the ability to pause and then assign each of your party members' orders, and that you do not have to go through the radial menu to do so.  Finally, Stewie wants a word with you...

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 22 décembre 2009 - 04:23 .