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[TMB903]

Needs RoF boost

[TheJtav]

I like to use my wraith with my asari vanguard paired with stasis, because i cant get headsots with shotguns to save my life.

[Seifer006]

Wraith is one of the best shotguns in the game

[Blind2Society]

Pedactor wrote...

The Disciple is worthless once you get the Wraith, but I could say that about any of those pistols, too.  The Disciple is not a good gun.  At all.  I have mine at X and it simply doesn't do enough damage and the stagger is hit or miss.

The Dsciple doesn't need to kill things and if your using it on your caster to kill things then you're doing it very wrong.

I use the Disciple on my Fury and my PA.  Primer > disciple until detonater is ready > detonater > more disciple if necessary.

And I'm not going to say I would be against a damage buff for the disciple but it does plenty of damage.

Anyway, this is a wraith thread.

[godlike13]

Its a great light gun, and one of the best shotguns, but RoF buff would be nice. Oh, and maybe some innate armor penetration.

Modifié par godlike13, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:43 .

[cronshaw]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

modok8 wrote...

f you need to have 200% cool down carnifex is a better option than the disciple

I'm going to have to disagree with you their. Talon can give me 200% cooldown and it's a shotgun pretending to be a pistol.

You aren't disagreeing with me because I didn't say anything about the Talon. 

[Poison_Berrie]

Blind2Society wrote...

It has an accuracy rating of 15 along with the evicserator  which is the second highest rating for shotguns behind a rating of 40 for the GPS. So, in that case you're right. That meaning it doesn't need an accuracy buff, however, I don't agree with.

Stat bar accuracy is the accuracy rating on the stat bar, which doesn't seem to be in direct relation with actual accuracy for shotguns. 
You need to compare their pellet spread. In this comparison (no Smart Choke) it seem the Wraith and Eviscerator have the thightest spread, except for the Graal. They could decrease it slightly, but one should be carefull not to overdo it. 

What both could use is a RoF of  60 or so. 

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[godlike13]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

What both could use is a RoF of  60 or so. 

And innate armor penetration like the Evi had in ME2 .

Modifié par godlike13, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .

[Siran]

It's a lightweight shotgun with high damage and an unparalleled accuracy (if you discount the GPS) - equip a smart choke and High Caliber Barrel and you can land headshots even at medium to long range. For Armor Penetration you can always equip AP Ammo. It's one of my favourite guns and you can even equip it on casters thanks to its weight. It's not a claymore, but far more versatile.

[Blind2Society]

I did check the accuracy and it does seem to have much better accuracy than the circle would suggest. And I don't disagree that it can be a very good gun. I am still, however, 100% behind a buff of some sort. For me an RoF increase and maybe three rounds per clip would work just fine.

And making all shotgun reticules (circles) the size of the actual spread.

[IronRush]

Wraith needs another buff for sure.
We have seen many topics asking that...
http://social.biowar.../index/13330122

[Cellar_Cat]

I sort of like the gun in theory but it's very hard to acquire for the function it has. At this rate I'll probably get bored of the game's cheap enemies, bugs, and terrible attempts at balance before the wraith even gets to V.

[BeardyMcGoo]

I stole this idea from homey c-dawg, but I think the Wraith works best on a Batarian soldier. Shoot, blades, shoot, reload. repeat. sprinkle in some melee in there and it's pretty effective.
it's also incredibly accurate with a smart choke. i've gotten kills at some pretty stupid ranges before.

Modifié par BeardyMcGoo, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:23 .

[himohillo]

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

I stole this idea from homey c-dawg, but I think the Wraith works best on a Batarian soldier. Shoot, blades, shoot, reload. repeat. sprinkle in some melee in there and it's pretty effective.

But Claymore does that, even more effectively and is easier to acquire.

[Immortal Strife]

The Wraith is pointless now that the Pirahna exists. So yeah, I agree, it needs a buff.

[WMcAlister]

As others have noted, the Wraith really shines as a Caster Claymore. At rank X Cooldown is 170% on Asaris and the like. For those that argue '200% or nothing at all,' most of the time you really would be hard pressed to notice the difference. With powers like Warp you go from 2.46 seconds at 200% to 2.71 at 170%. That's small enough of a gap that I still feel comfortable taking a Wraith on my Vanguards (where getting off Charge ASAP really is life or death timing). But before the higher levels of the UR (something understandably outside the reach of most casual gamers) it is unimpressive. Still, comparing it to the two top contenders in the Shotgun category (Claymore and GPS) it's light as a feather...but not as light as a Talon.

Even off of casters, it is a good gun. Infiltrators can use it well. Devastators can make it 3 shots. My Paladin carries one along with his Hurricane.

Could it use a buff? I suppose. Would buffing it a bit make it unbalanced or OP? Probably not, Would people still just say 'Pfft it sucks, use Claymore' off the cuff in these threads? Yeah. But why listen to wrong people?

Modifié par WMcAlister, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:37 .

[BeardyMcGoo]

himohillo wrote...

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

I stole this idea from homey c-dawg, but I think the Wraith works best on a Batarian soldier. Shoot, blades, shoot, reload. repeat. sprinkle in some melee in there and it's pretty effective.

But Claymore does that, even more effectively and is easier to acquire.

There are problems with that, though.
For one, the claymore ruins your blades cooldown. A claymore x, with blade armor up (cos melee dmg bonus ftw) and capacity passives, blades are at a 5.5 second cooldown. With a wraith III (which is what I have and am basing experience off of), it's at 3.45. And will get better as I level it. When you're in CQC, those 2 seconds will mean a lot. Especially with a mass stagger like blades. Also, the extra shot in the clip means you can for sure shoot two targets instead of one without having to rely on reload cancelling.

Modifié par BeardyMcGoo, 30 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .

[N7 Whiskey]

 
The Wraith is the best shotgun in the game, with or without an Infiltrator.  Some may not see the light which is fine with me as it prevents the Nerfers from whining about the glory of the M-11.  Consider this:

Wraith I single shot = 1/2 of Claymore X shot
Wraith I single mag = full shot of Claymore X

Let that sink in, then consider the weight difference and the fact you can kill two low level mooks with M-11 in the time it takes to kill one with the Claymore.  Claymore is overkill for many enemies in many situations and the M-11 solves this problem with same damage per mag but split into two shots.  So you have more versatility along with recharges speeds perfect for casters.

Lastly, N7 Destroyer spec'd correctly and you have 3 shots per mag with the M-11 Wraith.


Use it or don't, claim it's underpowered or don't.  Just don't start calling for nerfs when you finally realize how awesome it is.

[Pedactor]

Blind2Society wrote...

Pedactor wrote...

The Disciple is worthless once you get the Wraith, but I could say that about any of those pistols, too.  The Disciple is not a good gun.  At all.  I have mine at X and it simply doesn't do enough damage and the stagger is hit or miss.

The Dsciple doesn't need to kill things and if your using it on your caster to kill things then you're doing it very wrong.

I use the Disciple on my Fury and my PA.  Primer > disciple until detonater is ready > detonater > more disciple if necessary.

And I'm not going to say I would be against a damage buff for the disciple but it does plenty of damage.

Anyway, this is a wraith thread.

I usually don't fight a single target at a time.........there's usually more than one.

I use pistols over the Disciple.  It actually kills things and has range.  The Wraith is a longer-range shotgun inately.  Smart Choke makes it very long range.

[Mr666]

I got mine to ten and love it.. I nicknamed it te mini-Claymore also on Devastador mode get a added shot in a clip is great

[scrappydoo]

Once you have a Talon of similar level, there is absolutely no reason to use the Wraith.

[Blind2Society]

scrappydoo wrote...

Once you have a Talon of similar level, there is absolutely no reason to use the Wraith.

This is quite true. My talon is level VII and I use it quite often. As I said I would earlier, I have tried it out on my GI and I like it better than the wraith.

[MaximilianPower]

Blind2Society wrote...
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That's not true. On my PA 195% as opposed to 200% can get you killed a lot, and the carnifex is most certainly not a better choice for my PA.

The difference between 195% and 200% CD is negligible, on any character/power. It's literally less than human reaction time. There is no way a 195% CD would get your PA killed while a 200% CD keeps him alive. On my casters, I try to stay above 180%, but I'm hard-pressed to notice a substantial difference until I get closer to 150%.

On topic: I have the Wraith V, and I'm trying hard to like it. It's a hundred times better than the Disciple, but that's a fairly low bar. I seem to have more success with a Talon I or Carnifex X, but maybe I'm just not so good with shotgun mechanics.

[Silky_ZaChaos]

1st rule of the M-11 Wraith, you do not talk about the M-11 Wraith!
2nd rule of the M-11 Wraith, YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE M-11 WRAITH!

seriously, it is one of the best shotguns in the game and theless you talk about it, the less the nerfers will want to go after it

[Pedactor]

scrappydoo wrote...

Once you have a Talon of similar level, there is absolutely no reason to use the Wraith.

Except for Smart Choke.