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[bydoritos]

Jack Crapper wrote...

bydoritos wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

BW won't nerf a gun solely based on posts in the forum. They will see what guns (and characters) are used the most in the games played and will research why.

I'll be honest. It is not uncommon to see 4 Piranhas in the lobby of any Gold or Platinum game I'm in. I love the Piranha, too, but it has essentially replaced so many guns in the game. I don't want them to destroy the gun or nerf it based on how it performs in the hands of certain classes, but you really can dominate with the gun on almost every class.

In fact, I don't even use equipment half the time on Gold and can still do reliably well. This, while not using a TSo, Destroyer, or Infiltrator.

It's not about nerfing everyone's favorite toys. It's about balancing the game and upholding variety. You have to understand what Power Creep does to a game. I only say this because I love ME3 MP, not the contrary.

Even though the Falcon is still a good gun, I hope they don't go that far with it if they do touch the Piranha. However, currently, there's not much trade off for using the gun. It's not even a hard choice of what gun to use with the majority of classes. I do hope they don't touch the weight, as the weight will basically restrict it to Weapons dealing classes which have no regard for cooldown times and which are also one of the prime factors nerfs are being called for. I still want the gun to be great and usable, but not ball-bustingly dominant.

 What about the fact that most people that I see using an Assault rifle in gold or platinum are using an Harrier? where is the variety? I don't have this gun, but from what I see, and the number of people that  I see using on gold and platinum, looks like that the harrier it's the best assault rifle replacing everything else.

Snipers as well, before I could see either snipers with the valiant or the krysae, now it's only the valiant.
why people want variety by asking bioware to make guns worse then they are, and not asking them to make the other guns BETTER.

Actually, I still see some variety with ARs, not counting the popularity of Strikers up to last week. 
Depending on the class or how one feels about the amount of ammo, I regularly see Sabers, Revenants, Typhoons, and the occasional Phaeston & Falcon.

I do feel that most ARs do need some buffing in general, however.

Well I never saw revenants on gold.

 Phaeston and falcon I only see in Silver.

[DNC Protoman]

Jack Crapper wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Between this and Salvation though Destruction's thread its obvious the OP is trolling, just PM a mod with his and the topics name and be done with it.

As for the Prianha, there are a lot of issues with the gun but that's mostly due to the classes that gain accuracy improvements like the GI and Destroyer. Increasing the weight would kill the guns use for casters and CQC builds, so a slight reduction in the RoF and the clip size of the gun would be a more adequate and reasonable change.

I admit that I also feel this is a big trollfest from the OP, and I feel a bit guilty in contributing, but the subject at hand has validity in my opinion, allbeit not to the extent the OP would have you believe.  Just the fact that he is feeding off of the responses of those who are actually in favor to a degree of his claim is an obvious indicator.

I'm not trolling.  the Piranha is out of control.  Those who don't agree with me dismiss my valid arguements as troll attempts because they want to keep thier OP weapon.

It needs nerfed, but not to an insane degree.  tone it down but keep it usefull.

[Omnifarious Nef]

DNC Protoman wrote...

SalvationThroughDestruction wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

Lord Chun wrote...

Wow was no one on the first page here during the great TC and HM nerf because of the krysae being too OP things like this do happen but I don't see a nerf for it as it dose suck real bad on everything but N7Destroyer and a Geth and they must be speced for rate of fire or it still sucks real bad even on those classes

more lies, all to protect an OP gamebreaker.  It's getting balanced.  the sooner, the better.

Would it really be so hard for you to provide an actual counter arguement to any posts apposed to your ideas?

Don't bother bro, he's probably doing it for the lolz.

I gave up after he spammed out my Bye, Piranha thread, so Ima just sit here listening to the Titanic violin music waiting for the Typhoon to become unusable despite being on par with the harrier and PR.

Just because I'm pointing out your gamebreaking OP weapon dosen't mean I'm trolling.  You disagree and think that reporting me pointing out how stupidly OP the Piranha is will accomplish something. 

It won't.  I'm right, your wrong.  End of story.

Care to elaborate as to why he is wrong? Points? Proof? Argument? The, "I'm right you're wrong!" argument is reminiscent of child like behavior. The old, "You can't get me, nan na nan na bo bo!" Argument... That is, unless you really are under the age of 10? Then again, not even Tiana, (My 9 year old niece) talks like that. Believe it or not, she sometimes uses large words and argues like an adult. I once asked her why the sky was blue as a joke. She then proceeded to go on about the Nitrogen concentrations in the atmosphere and the like. Blew my little mind away that she already new stuff like that at such a young age. When I was her age, I used to ramble about things I knew nothing about. Mostly Sonic though. I loved Sonic... E'hem. I digress. As I was saying. Counter argument? Points with validity?

Modifié par NeferiusX3, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:19 .

[RNG God]

^ Hence the "Doing it for the lolz"

[silencedmages12]

DNC Protoman wrote...

My brothers, we have battled tooth and nail agianst the mighty nefer onslaught.  We have seen glorious victory and bitter defeat. 

Now we see the Piranha.  A weapon so powerful it instantly invalidates any other means of attack or strategy.  It destroys class and weapon variety as it has worked it's way into nearly every match on nearly every character.  With it's lightweight and extreme power it dominates all.   But see it for what it truly is.

A dark omen.  Yes it is a blight.  It is overpowered.  Far too overpowered.  This is troublesome as it may lead to class nerfs just as the Krysae before it did.  Remember how the overpowered Krysae destroyed your TC snipers my brothers.  Know that very same Krysae has abandoned you, and left in it's wake a hollow ineffective shell of  a weapon while the bitter and unholy TC nerf remains.

The piranha will do the same.  We cannot allow this.  We must stand with the Nerfers as brothers in arms until this abominiation is balanced.  We must do so before it is too late...

Remain ever vigilant my allies.  We must destroy this overpowered shotgun before it destroys us...

 You have been reported for this nonsense so i'm glad you posted this thread so Bioware can get rid of ridiculous people like you!  YOU are the reason that Bioware cant get their balance changes where they need them to be.  I hope MY fellow gamers will also report you as well.  I hope you not only get banned from here, but are also banned from playing ME3!  The world is better off without people like you!

[Omnifarious Nef]

DNC Protoman wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Between this and Salvation though Destruction's thread its obvious the OP is trolling, just PM a mod with his and the topics name and be done with it.

As for the Prianha, there are a lot of issues with the gun but that's mostly due to the classes that gain accuracy improvements like the GI and Destroyer. Increasing the weight would kill the guns use for casters and CQC builds, so a slight reduction in the RoF and the clip size of the gun would be a more adequate and reasonable change.

I admit that I also feel this is a big trollfest from the OP, and I feel a bit guilty in contributing, but the subject at hand has validity in my opinion, allbeit not to the extent the OP would have you believe.  Just the fact that he is feeding off of the responses of those who are actually in favor to a degree of his claim is an obvious indicator.

I'm not trolling.  the Piranha is out of control.  Those who don't agree with me dismiss my valid arguements as troll attempts because they want to keep thier OP weapon.

It needs nerfed, but not to an insane degree.  tone it down but keep it usefull.

If you could actually provide an argument, that would be wonderful. Please, lay out your points in front of me so I may discuss them with you.

[Agentcormac]

OP.

Shut up and stop ruining my fun gun. Its awesome at close range IF you control recoil, yet Does sweet FA damage at range without a mod and is only effective beyond words on classes which are weapon specialists (GI/DEST).
On everything else it is simply as intended a great FUN gun to use, that is not drastically OP. It is simply a gun that is highly suited to run and gun warfare. In a sustained battle it rapidly runs out of ammo (Much faster than you would expect) and has some odd aiming characteristing owing to its unique shot spread at range.

[Parallax Demon]

DNC Protoman wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

For everyone who says it isn't a long range weapon... you know not what you speak of... period.

Go watch Stardusks video of it on Platinum/Dagger. He is standing in the tower, hip-firing out the window, wiping THE SPAWNS with ONLY the Piranha... no proxy mines needed. The Piranha can reach out and touch 'em... don't ever aim it down the sight... the hipfire is where it's at. I know someone else posted that earlier but it seemed to have gone right over alot of heads.

It;s not the Piranha it's Turian and Marksman. Try doing like that with something like an Asari Adept. 

Why not?  practically every AA is rocking a Piranha already...

What BS is this? The AA is my favourite character, and any Shotgun on her is just plain stupid, because you want your recharge rate at 200%.
Can't imagine anybody, who's not a noob, playing with anything else than a Heavy Pistol or SMG.

Really don't care about the Piranha, but you I find it funny how you react to every post, but not the ones from players who played with you. Common thing in these posts; he played a GI and was using the Krysea. He played a GI and was using the Piranha. I would say: NERF THE GI!!!

Don't be a hypocrite, and just admit that you worry that the Piranha may be a reason for BW to nerf your favourite class.

[Lord Chun]

@cory I think all guns ahold shoot marshmallows then everyone will be happy lol

[Asebstos]

silencedmages12 wrote...
You have been reported for this nonsense so i'm glad you posted this thread so Bioware can get rid of ridiculous people like you!  YOU are the reason that Bioware cant get their balance changes where they need them to be.  I hope MY fellow gamers will also report you as well.  I hope you not only get banned from here, but are also banned from playing ME3!  The world is better off without people like you!

What is this BS? "I don't agree therefor report!!" Its like youtube where people flag comments they don't like as spam, just so they can censor them.

[rainasa]

Jack Crapper wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Between this and Salvation though Destruction's thread its obvious the OP is trolling, just PM a mod with his and the topics name and be done with it.

As for the Prianha, there are a lot of issues with the gun but that's mostly due to the classes that gain accuracy improvements like the GI and Destroyer. Increasing the weight would kill the guns use for casters and CQC builds, so a slight reduction in the RoF and the clip size of the gun would be a more adequate and reasonable change.

I admit that I also feel this is a big trollfest from the OP, and I feel a bit guilty in contributing, but the subject at hand has validity in my opinion, allbeit not to the extent the OP would have you believe. Just the fact that he is feeding off of the responses of those who are actually in favor to a degree of his claim is an obvious indicator.

As I said, the biggest issue with the piranha is that it can become very powerful when the smart choke upgrade is combined with further accuracy bonuses from classes like the destroyer and GI, pretty much no one is disputing this. Because the main issue with the gun is due to which class wields it rather than the gun itself, it makes it somewhat difficult to balance correctly. If they just nerf the weight, the gun becomes useless for casters and CQC, and hardly nothing will change at all for the classes that cause the gun to become a problem in the first place. In the end, unless they change the accuracy bonuses, any nerf is either going to be far too much and pretty much kill the gun or hardly change anything.

Modifié par rainasa, 30 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[Kingofkod]

There's something about DNC Protoman's post that have a hint of genius to them. If this was twitter, he'd be followed.

[Rickochet101]

xROLLxTIDEx wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The Piranha is to ME3 as Tim Tebow was to Florida Gator football... it cannot be stopped.

Funny.. I watched my beloved Crimson Tide make Tim Tebow stand on the sidelines and cry in the SEC title game in December 2009.

I watched the Denver Broncos NERF Tim Tebow. Pretty awkward and sad. But that's what OP wants right? awkwardness  and sadness 

[slescens]

Funny, I haven't seen a single Piranha equipped by anyone since the DLC. I guess the group of players I roll with are rather unlucky with the RNG. None of us have Typhoon and all but one don't have the Harrier.

[gilgamesh v9]

whenever i use the piranha i have to be really close. my kills have gone up, but so have my deaths by sync-kills. i'd say that's balanced enough. high risk/high reward

[Learn To Love Yourself]

rainasa wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Between this and Salvation though Destruction's thread its obvious the OP is trolling, just PM a mod with his and the topics name and be done with it.

As for the Prianha, there are a lot of issues with the gun but that's mostly due to the classes that gain accuracy improvements like the GI and Destroyer. Increasing the weight would kill the guns use for casters and CQC builds, so a slight reduction in the RoF and the clip size of the gun would be a more adequate and reasonable change.

I admit that I also feel this is a big trollfest from the OP, and I feel a bit guilty in contributing, but the subject at hand has validity in my opinion, allbeit not to the extent the OP would have you believe. Just the fact that he is feeding off of the responses of those who are actually in favor to a degree of his claim is an obvious indicator.

As I said, the biggest issue with the piranha is that it can become very powerful when the smart choke upgrade is combined with further accuracy bonuses from classes like the destroyer and GI, pretty much no one is disputing this. Because the main issue with the gun is due to which class wields it rather than the gun itself, it makes it somewhat difficult to balance correctly. If they just nerf the weight, the gun becomes useless for casters and CQC, and hardly nothing will change at all for the classes that cause the gun to become a problem in the first place. In the end, unless they change the accuracy bonuses, any nerf is either going to be far too much and pretty much kill the gun or hardly change anything.

I agree with that, as well.  You should read my other posts in the thread, as I brought up those points exactly.

[ShadowHound]

No one is saying how the weapon is unfair. They're just claiming its too accurate. How? Arre you dying too fast. Are you killing the enemy too fast? I don't get it. Why respec a weapon that HELPS on the battlefield?? And don't give me shyte about balance. The geth, reapers and cerberus are the onlyones that benefit from your crys.may seem corny but its truth.

[Reddemon159]

You do realize it's the DPS making it so powerful right? It's like a more powerful Scimitar.

[LoboFH]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Well, you got the Kyrsae nerfed out of existence, after you get the Piranha nerfed out of existence, what's next? My beloved Harrier? The Typhoon? The Talon? What's next on the "Kill it" agenda?

All you, anoying anti-nerfers conveniently hide the truth to your convenience. What about the Talon in your angry rant?, it was heavily buffed some time ago with a weight reduction, now is the perfect weapon for any caster. I guess you didn't complain back there.  

It's very "cool" and demagogic to be a member of the anti-nerf crusade, but buffs and nerfs are the bread and butter of any multiplayer game. The anti-nerf side sounds like a bunch of noisy individuals trying to defend their noob friendly toys.

Woah, woah there buddy, what hole did you crawl out of? Who said I was anti nerf? I'm anti weapon destroying. You didn't see me complain over the TC nerf at all. I just don't want every new gun that's added to be nerfed into being just a bit worse than the Claymore.

The claymore is heavy like an elephant, tell me the cons of Piranha.....tic tac tic tac, time is running...¿one at least?, ¿a little one?

[Rickochet101]

LoboFH wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Well, you got the Kyrsae nerfed out of existence, after you get the Piranha nerfed out of existence, what's next? My beloved Harrier? The Typhoon? The Talon? What's next on the "Kill it" agenda?

All you, anoying anti-nerfers conveniently hide the truth to your convenience. What about the Talon in your angry rant?, it was heavily buffed some time ago with a weight reduction, now is the perfect weapon for any caster. I guess you didn't complain back there.  

It's very "cool" and demagogic to be a member of the anti-nerf crusade, but buffs and nerfs are the bread and butter of any multiplayer game. The anti-nerf side sounds like a bunch of noisy individuals trying to defend their noob friendly toys.

Woah, woah there buddy, what hole did you crawl out of? Who said I was anti nerf? I'm anti weapon destroying. You didn't see me complain over the TC nerf at all. I just don't want every new gun that's added to be nerfed into being just a bit worse than the Claymore.

The claymore is heavy like an elephant, tell me the cons of Piranha.....tic tac tic tac, time is running...¿one at least?, ¿a little one?

So you LIKE having cons to your guns...? Tell me again how much fun you have playing the game...

[DoubleHell]

Stats show level 1 shotguns.

My guess is that the ROF will be adjusted so that DPS winds up below the Claymore - maybe at around 1000 or so.

Modifié par DoubleHell, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[Atrumitos]

The difference is... this is the claymore



This is the piranha



I will point you to this thread here

The piranha doesn't do that dps unless all its pellets hit, so you could probably cut that dps by half. Especially since you won't be putting a smart choke on the claymore you can cut it even more....

Modifié par Atrumitos, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:30 .

[ABjerre]

DoubleHell wrote...



Stats show level 1 shotguns.

My guess is that the ROF will be adjusted so that DPS winds up slightly below the Claymore - maybe at around 1200 or so.

The important thing here is to note that DPS is calculated based on the assumption that every pellet hits. At 22 meters 5-6 out of 8 will hit with a Piranha if used with smart choke on a class with accuracy evolution. Everyhitng else, and we're down to 4 out of 8 pellets. That seriously limits the use of the gun.

Check my latest posts, if you want to see my proof of this statement.

[Tankcommander]

Atrumitos wrote...

The difference is... this is the claymore



This is the piranha



I will point you to this thread here

The piranha doesn't do that dps unless all its pellets hit, so you could probably cut that dps by half. Especially since you won't be putting a smart choke on the claymore you can cut it even more....

Yeah, gotta be point blank. It is fine.

[DNC Protoman]

DoubleHell wrote...



Stats show level 1 shotguns.

My guess is that the ROF will be adjusted so that DPS winds up below the Claymore - maybe at around 1000 or so.

This shows exactly what I'm talking about.