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[DNC Protoman]

inferno lizard wrote...

u guys are should play gold and plat and then say whats over powered

Done.  the Piranha's overpowered.

[DNC Protoman]

.458 wrote...

Ugh. This again. No, it is FAR from the best or only way to kill. Obviously though, some people will never be requested to have their brains nerfed as too powerful of a weapon.

It is the best gun possible to use on just about any class. That can't be allowed to continue.  it kills balance.

The problem is it shoots to fast, too accurately with smartchoke, hits too hard, has too much spare ammo and weighs too little.  All amazing pros with not a single con = problem.

[Adhok42]

DNC Protoman wrote...

All amazing pros with not a single con = problem.

Ridiculous recoil and low damage per shot requiring two full clips to kill a boss at Gold.

With full weapon bonuses.

Seriously dude. What ARE you smoking? The rest of us need some of it.

[DNC Protoman]

Adhok42 wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

All amazing pros with not a single con = problem.

Ridiculous recoil and low damage per shot requiring two full clips to kill a boss at Gold.

With full weapon bonuses.

Seriously dude. What ARE you smoking? The rest of us need some of it.

1.)  Ridiculus recoil= false

2.) clips boss kill = a good thing. 

Your arguments are helping me.

[curly haired boy]

they won't touch it, though.

they didn't touch the GPS

they didn't touch the reegar

they BUFFED the piranha

it won't be nerfed. bioware loves shotguns

[DNC Protoman]

Ghostknife72 wrote...

@ DNC Protoman.

I'm not supporting or rejecting your premise, yet. However, I am curious as to why you think what you do.

Can you please post three (or two) loadouts with characters that you consider Platinum playable (not a farming level, a true game)? Character, weapons, mods, etc.

I'd like to see what you think are solid, but not overpowered loadouts and characters.

It would give me perspective on your position.

Thanks.

Sure Thing.

1.)  Asari Adept

wepon- Paladin X - Ultra light + extended Barrell

66606 build-195% recharge

Gear-Strucural Erg
Weap-targeting amp
Armor-Power efficancy
ammo-Incin, Warp or Cryo

2.)  Human Engineer

Weps-tempest X -(high vel barrell + heat sink) & Scorpion X (ultralight + damage)

66653 build-200% reacharge, shock drone with detonate + 3 jump, 3 jump Overload, lv 6 incinerate for armor + strong tech burst.

Gear-Omnicapiters
Weap-Smg amp
Armor -cyclonic modulator
ammo -disrupter

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

^WOW -__-

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Mike 9987 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

Aethyl wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

I will once again point out that I wil take the side of whatever is best for the game. when I was against nerfs it was when they were not needed. Now that this out of control broken gun is out, I am speaking agianst it.

I am neither pure pro nor pure anti nerf. I take the side of what is right.

Let me guess, you liked your Krysae, and now that it has been nerfed, you want to do the same to the other players?

Anyway, this whole thread is a joke.

Every response by the anti-nerfers on this thread are jokes. All i'm seeing is LOL URA TROL!!!! YOUR STUPID!!!! YOU GOT NOT EVIDENCE!!! oh, wait you did post some and i don't have anything that says otherwise? LOL YOU GOT NO EVIDENCE

LOL.  It's really sad that you're posting under two accounts now to agree with yourself, DNC Protoman.

Yeah, he made both of these accounts, almost a year apart, before mass effect 3 multiplayer was announced to troll here!!!

get out. 

Who are you, and why are you defending the troll so steadfastly?

We have simular views on the subject. it is in my best interest to provide evidence he is not trolling to advocate the thread as serious. i seriously do not believe he a troll. People having some emotional response to a thread does not make the OP a troll. It means they need to think about the stupid things that get them angry. 

Oh okay, well did you by any chance see that OTHER long thread that called for a nerf of the Piranha?  The one from a couple of days ago?  Your buddy DNC Protoman had this to say in response to the OP calling for a nerf.  Keep in mind the OP of that thread was advocating a nerf of the exact same weapon we're talking about now...



http://social.biowar...7502/1#13327502

&

http://social.biowar...502/15#13330827

death_for_sale wrote...

With the buff to damage on July 18:

Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

The
damage per pellet is now 221.75 (RoF 150 * Damage 88.7(X) / 60). You
can then multiply this by the number of Pellets to get your DPS.

8 * 221.75 = 1774 DPS

Now
the current DPS of the Claymore is 1648 at Level X. Yes, the Claymore
has a tighter spread, but with Smart Choke, cover accuracy, and/or class
Accuracy bonuses, you are looking at a weapon that is beyond
Devastating on Gold and still very overpowered on Platinum.

The
sustained DPS for uncanceled/canceled Claymore fire is 470 / 833 DPS.
The sustained DPS for the uncanceled/canceled Piranha is 984 / 1338.6.
Seriously, these aren't even close. The Piranha is damage king,
and it's pretty lightweight to boot. That is a serious problem.

When
you add in RoF boosts and/or damage boosts from abilities, you can melt
bosses with this weapon faster than any other currently available. This
is also a relatively light weapon for this amount of DPS, ranging from
1.5 - .9. It is perfectly capable of being carried by caster classes
with minimal CD reduction.

I propose returning it to it's
original damage [63.6-79.6] and increasing the weight considerably to
keep caster/power based classes from using it without more severe CD
consequences, say [2.0 - 1.4] which is the current weight for GPS/Graal.

I
love the Piranha, but seriously ever match I play now, I see that
everyone is carrying it. I use it on all of my adepts and vanguards
because it has no true drawbacks with cover boosts and smart choke. On
my Turian Soldier and Destroyer, it is a boss killing machine at long
range. I don't want to even get started on how well it works on my GI.

You need to address this now, because it is already getting out of hand.

DNC Protoman wrote...

The nerfer empire has fallen. The OP of this thread is a last remanent of the nefer scum. Do not give him an inch.

[DeathIsHere]

^ Shhh, don't let him know that you realize his hypocrisy. He's trying to find the thing that seems most troll-ish and apparently being a nerfer is troll-y now for him.

[Adhok42]

Are you just whining about it to whine and get attention in general?

It's a decent auto shotgun, the recoil makes it unwieldy, and I burn through ammo faster then I do the Reverent. Hell I can barely keep this thing loaded and make maybe 2-3 kills per clip. That's about average for me for what I consider decent guns.

Now if I was killing things with one shot with it then I'd be worried about it being OP. As it stands now the weapon is just fine.

And you sir are still delusional.

I think I've had enough of your lunacy so I'll just leave you with this:

https://mail.google....p=emb&zw&atsh=1

/conversation

[Mike 9987]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

Aethyl wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

I will once again point out that I wil take the side of whatever is best for the game. when I was against nerfs it was when they were not needed. Now that this out of control broken gun is out, I am speaking agianst it.

I am neither pure pro nor pure anti nerf. I take the side of what is right.

Let me guess, you liked your Krysae, and now that it has been nerfed, you want to do the same to the other players?

Anyway, this whole thread is a joke.

Every response by the anti-nerfers on this thread are jokes. All i'm seeing is LOL URA TROL!!!! YOUR STUPID!!!! YOU GOT NOT EVIDENCE!!! oh, wait you did post some and i don't have anything that says otherwise? LOL YOU GOT NO EVIDENCE

LOL.  It's really sad that you're posting under two accounts now to agree with yourself, DNC Protoman.

Yeah, he made both of these accounts, almost a year apart, before mass effect 3 multiplayer was announced to troll here!!!

get out. 

Who are you, and why are you defending the troll so steadfastly?

We have simular views on the subject. it is in my best interest to provide evidence he is not trolling to advocate the thread as serious. i seriously do not believe he a troll. People having some emotional response to a thread does not make the OP a troll. It means they need to think about the stupid things that get them angry. 

Oh okay, well did you by any chance see that OTHER long thread that called for a nerf of the Piranha?  The one from a couple of days ago?  Your buddy DNC Protoman had this to say in response to the OP calling for a nerf.  Keep in mind the OP of that thread was advocating a nerf of the exact same weapon we're talking about now...



http://social.biowar...7502/1#13327502

&

http://social.biowar...502/15#13330827

death_for_sale wrote...

With the buff to damage on July 18:

Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

The
damage per pellet is now 221.75 (RoF 150 * Damage 88.7(X) / 60). You
can then multiply this by the number of Pellets to get your DPS.

8 * 221.75 = 1774 DPS

Now
the current DPS of the Claymore is 1648 at Level X. Yes, the Claymore
has a tighter spread, but with Smart Choke, cover accuracy, and/or class
Accuracy bonuses, you are looking at a weapon that is beyond
Devastating on Gold and still very overpowered on Platinum.

The
sustained DPS for uncanceled/canceled Claymore fire is 470 / 833 DPS.
The sustained DPS for the uncanceled/canceled Piranha is 984 / 1338.6.
Seriously, these aren't even close. The Piranha is damage king,
and it's pretty lightweight to boot. That is a serious problem.

When
you add in RoF boosts and/or damage boosts from abilities, you can melt
bosses with this weapon faster than any other currently available. This
is also a relatively light weapon for this amount of DPS, ranging from
1.5 - .9. It is perfectly capable of being carried by caster classes
with minimal CD reduction.

I propose returning it to it's
original damage [63.6-79.6] and increasing the weight considerably to
keep caster/power based classes from using it without more severe CD
consequences, say [2.0 - 1.4] which is the current weight for GPS/Graal.

I
love the Piranha, but seriously ever match I play now, I see that
everyone is carrying it. I use it on all of my adepts and vanguards
because it has no true drawbacks with cover boosts and smart choke. On
my Turian Soldier and Destroyer, it is a boss killing machine at long
range. I don't want to even get started on how well it works on my GI.

You need to address this now, because it is already getting out of hand.

DNC Protoman wrote...

The nerfer empire has fallen. The OP of this thread is a last remanent of the nefer scum. Do not give him an inch.

Still gives him a few days to change his mind. Again, you fail to provide any evidence of him really changeing opinions over and over to troll. 

[DNC Protoman]

shooterking07 wrote...

^WOW -__-

I know, your HE and AA carry the Piranha right?

[majinclos]

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

[DNC Protoman]

majinclos wrote...

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

It can't be left alone.  It's too dominant.

[JGDD]

DNC Protoman wrote...

majinclos wrote...

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

It can't be left alone.  It's too dominant.

My GI with a GPS and Scorpion suggest you are wrong. I watch my friends use the Piranha during some farm runs at White and I consistantly pass them by huge margins. Even loaded with level 4 mods they can't keep up.

[curly haired boy]

DNC Protoman wrote...

majinclos wrote...

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

It can't be left alone.  It's too dominant.

give it time. everyone was using the reegar at some point as well.

[Gamemako]

Just dropping in on the thread to survey the inevitable broken hearts when the Piranha gets nerfed for being used by 70% of all non-farmers on Platinum.

Hi guys! Enjoy the gun while it lasts.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

@DNC no on my AA I use carnifex w/ scope and headshot damage and geth SMG
ON my HE I use GPS and geth SMG.

I bet you use the piranha on your GI and destroyer don't you.

[inferno lizard]

DNC Protoman wrote...

inferno lizard wrote...

u guys are should play gold and plat and then say whats over powered

Done.  the Piranha's overpowered.

really doubt you would say that if u  played gold or plat u just play bronze and silver where everything is OP

Modifié par inferno lizard, 02 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[Parallax Demon]

DNC Protoman wrote...

shooterking07 wrote...

^WOW -__-

I know, your HE and AA carry the Piranha right?

Really why should any class, based on powers, ever want to use a weapon which doesn't give them 200% cooldown. Have the Piranha at lvl 10 but will never equip it on any Sentinel or Adept, just doesn't make sense.
As I play a lot of Pug's, I've never seen this combination. So I highly doubt the Piranha is that popular.

[DNC Protoman]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

majinclos wrote...

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

It can't be left alone.  It's too dominant.

My GI with a GPS and Scorpion suggest you are wrong. I watch my friends use the Piranha during some farm runs at White and I consistantly pass them by huge margins. Even loaded with level 4 mods they can't keep up.

Weak post.


1- you have no proof.

2. even if it is true, it just means you outscored a bunch of weak players. 

[DNC Protoman]

Gamemako wrote...

Just dropping in on the thread to survey the inevitable broken hearts when the Piranha gets nerfed for being used by 70% of all non-farmers on Platinum.

Hi guys! Enjoy the gun while it lasts.

The tears... will be so deliciuos....

[DNC Protoman]

shooterking07 wrote...

@DNC no on my AA I use carnifex w/ scope and headshot damage and geth SMG
ON my HE I use GPS and geth SMG.

I bet you use the piranha on your GI and destroyer don't you.

I sure as heck do.  I want to contribute to the overuse that will lead to it being balanced as much as I can.

and GPS and geth SMG on a HE?  Why?

[JGDD]

DNC Protoman wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

majinclos wrote...

No leave the piranha be. Its very usefull in Gold and Platinum. If you dont like it dont use it

It can't be left alone.  It's too dominant.

My GI with a GPS and Scorpion suggest you are wrong. I watch my friends use the Piranha during some farm runs at White and I consistantly pass them by huge margins. Even loaded with level 4 mods they can't keep up.

Weak post.


1- you have no proof.

2. even if it is true, it just means you outscored a bunch of weak players. 

I haven't seen much proof coming from you and my friends are quite capable players even when not farming.