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[ryoldschool]

OP has everything maxed, he has no upgrades to look forward to...

[robarcool]

ryoldschool wrote...

OP has everything maxed, he has no upgrades to look forward to...

Negative, this all false.

[M47R1X]

Piranha needs Claymore X damage.

With Crusader accuracy.

And Predator reload time.

Then maybe I'll win with it.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

DNC Protoman wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

This is where DNC Protoman publicly urged everyone to exploit the Missle Glitch, after showing everyone how to do the Missle Glitch...

DNC Protoman promotes exploiting the Missle Glitch

DNC Protoman wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

Kick back ****** jack. I had never even heard of such a thing. Think about all the people you told, now they can tell everyone, then they can tell everyone, etc.

Good job op, you should have kept this to your damn self, **** you even showed us the video and explained how to do it, you truly are an idiot.

First of all, I reported you for the insult in the post.

Second of all, I want EVERYONE to be doing this to the point were it becomes a problem for bioware. that is the only way this gets fixed.

Missile glitch got fixed, didn't it?

Before it got fixed, people were abusing it.  They abused it, because you showed them how and urged them to do so.  In other words, you showed people how to cheat, encouraged cheating, and you're still proud of it.  How you are still here is beyond me, but your presence on these forums is a detriment.  You should be ashamed of yourself, and you owe all of BSN an apology.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 03 août 2012 - 03:18 .

[Digitalis32]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...


Missile glitch got fixed, didn't it?

Before it got fixed, people were abusing it.  They abused it, because you showed them how and urged them to do so.  In other words, you showed people how to cheat, encouraged cheating, and you're still proud of it.  How you are still here is beyond me, but your presence on these forums is a detriment.  You should be ashamed of yourself, and you owe all of BSN an apology.

+1

sure it got fixed - but that isn't the point, you chose to encorage cheating.

[egueguen]

Cellar_Cat wrote...

All the shotguns that are actually a shotgun*, besides the piranha and claymore, just happen to be absolutely terrible. The ability to do mediocre damage at uncomfortably close ranges is just bad, and the others are popular because they can (in some cases only on certain classes) avoid that downfall.

*reegar, GPS, graal, don't really count. The reegar even says it's a 'carbine'.

the carbine in reegar carbine has nothing to do with what kind of weapon it is, witch even people who dont know much about weapons know that carbines have nothing to do with shotguns

[egueguen]

megabeast37215 wrote...

OP is right... the gun is ridiculous. It's most OP on the GI... but so is everything else.

The gun needs a weight nerf at the very least. It shouldn't be on every single class..

There was this random in our lobby over the weekend... he kept switching classes, and on every class was a Piranha. When was the last time I saw that? When the Krysae was popular due to being OP... seeing the same gun on ever class from Vanguards to Soldiers to Infiltrators to Engineers... it a clear sign that something might just be OP.

The nerfhammer commeth... and I hope it gets the Geth Infiltrator too (since weapon performance on the GI is one of the largest contributors to nerfs IMO).

geth infiltrator needs a nerf, that class gets anymore nerfed it will be compleatly useless

started out with argulble the worst health and a melee that quickly drain 2/3rds of its health away,
then the melee got nerfed so it couldnt even kill a husk on bronze in 1 hit (were every other class can kill with at lest heavy melee except the n7 engi and even they dont lose have and aoe and knock them flat on their back) 
then their hunter mode and their cloke damage get nerfed

the class is berly viable on gold much less platnum theis days and its only good in one kind of build, and only with a select few weapons

if anything he needs a buff

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

so Piranha will not getting Nerfes??/ YAY !!!!

so now I can help a low level N7 to get a better gun, without wasting so much time !!!!

[Mike 9987]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

The Case
These last few weeks, a lot of talk has been going around about a particular gun: The Piranha
It stands out in its quality of very high rate of fire, large clip, low weight and high damage. So much in fact, that it seems that some people have blinded themselves looking only at its good qualities, and demand a ner.. rebalancing of the weapon.

What these people seem to forget is that its good qualities come at one particularly bad one: At arms lenght, you cannot hit the broad side of a barn with it.

In fact, its accuracy is so bad that it perfectly outweighs everything good about the gun, and lands it at a solid "okay" weapon rating overall, as its high damage: 88,7 (or a whopping 1774 damage per second) is calculated on the assumption that all pellets hit.

The Experiment
In comes the relentless horde of re-balancers: "You can spec for accuracy and put a smart choke on it! That makes you able to frikkin snipe with it." If you can show me someone actually sniping with this weapon, i would be very pleased, but untill you do, allow me to show you what it does at range:

Character: Destroyer w. accuracy spec and devastaror mode engaged = 25% more accuracy.
Weapon: Piranha X with Large Caliber Barrel V and Smart Choke V = 50% more accuracy.
Total: 75% more accuracy compared to the weapons base value.
No ammo powers, no amps were used.
All shots taken from cover.
I took a few screenshots on FB:W against the Geth, as that is something most people can relate to:

The Proof
The distance to the end wall is 24 meters, anyone with a sniper rifle will confirm that, and if not, i have snaps of that too. This means that the distance to the target is probably closer to 20 meters, but lets call it 22 for good measure. As you can see, the outline of the target does only cover 5 out of the 8 pellet holes in the wall behind him. Lets call it 6 hits on a good day, or 75% effectiveness @ 22 meters.



Next up is 30 meters:
It is a bit hard to see the holes in the wall, but the are most definantly there. In fact there are a lot more there than in the target - only 3 out of 8 pellets hit at this distance. With a bit of luck that could have been 4, so 50% effectiveness on a good day. By now, most AR's can do the job a lot better.



At 40 meters it wouldn't matter if i took a screen shot. It would only feature a target with full health, as at that distance, it would be more effective to take out the bullets and throw them.

The Conclusion
The only rational conclusion must be that there are no grounds for ajusting this weapon.

Remember that this was done with the second highest possible accuracy increase (Tsol gets slightly more) - on all other classes, these numbers could practically be cut in half(!), meaning that the Piranha is a terribly ineffective weapon outside of a set of very specific circumstances, and that there is no reason, besides some players personal oppinions, for ner... balancing it.

Doing so would render it completely useless, as the player already has to be near point blanc range in order to reap the benefits of the weapon, and by doing so is putting himself at high risk of becoming more of a liability than an asset to the team.

A little quiz
To finish up here, would anyone like to guess how many shots it takes to kill that Pyro in
the second picture? All relevant info is in the post already.

It took 5,
(FIVE!) well aimed shots.

The difficulty? Bronze.

TL;DR
The Piranha is useless @ +25 meters even with all accuracy mods. Nerfers have no case at all.

edit: Second highest accuracy increase. All shot were taken from cover.


And what did you say to this post Protoman? "Negative" "All fake"

Please do the same experiment with an atlas, geth prime, bute, ravenger, and banshee and see how many pellets miss. This proves nothing other than the fact that smaller enemies, who have smaller health pools in the first place, do not take the full hit of the weapon. 

Modifié par Mike 9987, 03 août 2012 - 05:55 .

[darkpassenger2342]

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 03 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[DatFeel]

DNC Protoman wrote...

DatFeel wrote...

I am honestly suprised anyone would allow themselves to be trolled by you for 36 pages.

Just imagine how you'll feel tuesday when the Piranha gets balanced....

Because I feel people are stupid at falling for your incredibly obvious trolling... the Piranha is going to get nerfed? What.

[DullahansXMark]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

[darkpassenger2342]

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

 i play on xbox im not doing that crap i added my opinion and if you dont like it ignore it.
maybe he plays on pc. what am i supposed to do, take pics of my tv with my phone and post it here for you? psh.
 the pirahna is easy to headshot with and is barely limited by range.
 its surprisingly easy to hit stuff with it from far away.
 the end.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 03 août 2012 - 06:01 .

[Mike 9987]

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

[darkpassenger2342]

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

 +1 for agreement.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 03 août 2012 - 06:03 .

[DullahansXMark]

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

Just because a gun can hit the broad side of a barn doesn't make it accurate, dude. Atlases are huge. It'd be embarassing if the gun COULDN'T hit one. And, even then, try sniping an Atlas with a Piranha. It's impossible, I've tried it myself.

[Mike 9987]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

 +1 for agreement.

It's funny how so many people jumped to say "OMG OP WRONG NOW PROOF!!!"

So many brown nosers on this forum i swear. 

[darkpassenger2342]

so because you tried it and it didnt work to satisfaction its IMPOSSIBLE?

[DullahansXMark]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

 i play on xbox im not doing that crap i added my opinion and if you dont like it ignore it.
maybe he plays on pc. what am i supposed to do, take pics of my tv with my phone and post it here for you? psh.
 the pirahna is easy to headshot with and is barely limited by range.
 its surprisingly easy to hit stuff with it from far away.
 the end.

No, take pictures of your TV with a camera.

[darkpassenger2342]

im not taking any pictures. the pirahna is awesome from range.
it is known.
and im not sure why you bothered to highlight me to use that smartass rebuttal, were you not aware phones NOW INCLUDE CAMERAS!!!!! holy crap!

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 03 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[DullahansXMark]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

so because you tried it and it didnt work to satisfaction its IMPOSSIBLE?

Marksman + Smart Choke aiming dead-center on someone's head not yielding results? I must just be a poor shot.

[DullahansXMark]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

im not taking any pictures. the pirahna is awesome from range.
it is known.

I don't think we're thinking about the same gun. Automatic shotgun? 8 shots?

[Mike 9987]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

Just because a gun can hit the broad side of a barn doesn't make it accurate, dude. Atlases are huge. It'd be embarassing if the gun COULDN'T hit one. And, even then, try sniping an Atlas with a Piranha. It's impossible, I've tried it myself.

I'm talking about enemies at the same distances measured in the experiemnt. The parahna is more effective at this range than any other weapon still and his experiement proves nothing. Try sniping an atlas with any other none sniper. It's impossible too. 

[darkpassenger2342]

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

im not taking any pictures. the pirahna is awesome from range.
it is known.

I don't think we're thinking about the same gun. Automatic shotgun? 8 shots?

 its only automatic if you make it automatic. take your finger off the trigger and its easy shoot with it at range.
or believe everything you read here, and just give up beforehand.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 03 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[DullahansXMark]

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i do not want the pirahna to be nerfed but any claims like the one above me are ridiculous.
i was headshotting stuff on giant earlier today halfway across the map, and not playing as a character with an acc bonus. If there was a "trick" to it, its just to slow fire and not put the gun in semi-auto mode.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The guy above has pics, and therefore it did happen.

Pics of a pointless, flawed experiment. 

Just because a gun can hit the broad side of a barn doesn't make it accurate, dude. Atlases are huge. It'd be embarassing if the gun COULDN'T hit one. And, even then, try sniping an Atlas with a Piranha. It's impossible, I've tried it myself.

I'm talking about enemies at the same distances measured in the experiemnt. The parahna is more effective at this range than any other weapon still and his experiement proves nothing. Try sniping an atlas with any other none sniper. It's impossible too. 

Saber.