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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Andromidius

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Examining the strange Prothean artifact reveals a small, irregular slot on the underside of the surface. Remembering the strange trinket you received from the asari Consort on the Citadel, you pull it out and place it in the slot. The ball explodes in a brilliant flash of white light, momentarily blinding you and disorienting you.

Slowly your senses return as you wake from a deep sleep. You are alone in the forest, though you are not far from the caves you share with the others in your tribe. There is a pain and a small lump in the back of your skull, as if a chip of flint has been forced under the surface of the skin.

Leaning on your bone-tipped spear for support, you rise to your feet. A sound draws your attention upwards, where a strange creature hovers high above you. It is unlike the birds you hunt by the lake's edge – it has no head and no wings yet somehow it flies. It is a beast of shining silver; hanging motionless in the sky like a cloud. You sense it is watching you, studying you.

Raising a hairy fist, you shake your spear at it in anger and the creature rises up quickly until it disappears from view. With a satisfied grunt you make your way back to your caves and the rest of the tribe.

You fall into the familiar patterns of life –the hunt for food, the struggle to claim and keep a mate, the battles against the other tribes that would claim your territory. Days roll into nights and back into days. Each time you rise from sleep there is the sensation that you are not alone; that some "other" is with you sharing all you see, hear and feel. At these times your hand goes to the strange lump at the back of your skull and you remember the silver creature from the sky.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

You wake an instant later to find yourself on Eletania lying on your back, the Prothean artifact looming above you undamaged and your companions standing over you. They help you to your feet, puzzled. "There was a flash of light and you just sort of toppled over," one explains. "Are you okay, Shepard?" the other asks. You don't answer right away, wondering at the implications of what you have seen: the memories of a Cro-Magnon hunter, captured by an implanted Prothean data recorder. How long did they study the primitive humans, observing them and analyzing the results at their base on Mars? And what, if anything, did they learn from us?

"I'm fine," you finally reply, realizing that this is a mystery you will probably never solve. "Forget about it."


I always loved this little bit of lore in ME1.  And its even a bit ambigeous whether or not that it was Protheans doing the experiments.  The 'red eye' part especially sounds a lot like an Occulus - a Reaper drone.

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Andromidius wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've never played a blizzard game so can't really comment, but I heard activision dick around with them almost as much as EA does with every subsidiary ever.


This is a misconception.  Activision has no say in what Blizzard does, since they are both owned by the same company - Vivaldi.  They are sibling companies, essentially, put together only when it comes to stocks.  Basically Blizzard is propping up Activision.  Nothing more, nothing less.

And I'll agree the writing for Warcraft is a bit lopsided.  There's a definate bias involved in the plot, with Marty Stu characters stealing the limelight constantly and a bit of a one sided string of victories for the Horde (even when it makes no sense.

The quests are well written though, for the most part.

I am on your side on this. Furthermore Blizzard is making huge amounts of money that immunize them against any exterior scrutiny.
But the company that owns Blizzard is Vivendi, not Vivaldi, who was an italian componist, afaik.
Don't get me wrong, I do mistakes myself, but that one just made me laugh:O.

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I'm still hoping to get a conversation in future DLC with Harbinger like you get with Sovereign in ME1. We just don't know that much about him.

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Jusseb wrote...

I'm still hoping to get a conversation in future DLC with Harbinger like you get with Sovereign in ME1. We just don't know that much about him.

Well, it is a common theory that Starbrat actually is Harbinger. For my part, I am not so sure about this, but the lack of Harbinger in ME3, who was introduced as one of the main antagonists in ME 2 kind of supports this hypothesis. Therefore, the whole conversation with Starbrat would be a conversation with Harbinger, who tries to mindf**k you. The last epic revelation has just not been delivered yet, and the hopes are on future DLC.

Modifié par Restrider, 23 septembre 2012 - 01:13 .


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TSA_383 wrote...


Also, has anyone read the new homeworlds comic? It raises some interesting implications about Liara and the illusive man tinkering with prothean data...



I’ve read it and it does raise some interesting implications, I wonder where Liara and TIM found out about the Prothean weapon? I find it hard to believe that no other Prothean researcher came across it before. 

#25181
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@ D. Sharrah

Not a bad idea; not sure it's feasible (more of a money vote than a invention/company booster), but it's a good idea.

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FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


Also, has anyone read the new homeworlds comic? It raises some interesting implications about Liara and the illusive man tinkering with prothean data...


I’ve read it and it does raise some interesting implications, I wonder where Liara and TIM found out about the Prothean weapon? I find it hard to believe that no other Prothean researcher came across it before. 


My guess is that Liara found a hint of some Prothean secret hidden in the Mars Archives while sorting through the Shadow Brokers files. After all we know the Shadow Broker knew about the Reapers and the Collectors beeing Protheans, so he might have known something is in the Archive but have been unable to retrieve it yet.

Just a guess.

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Hey everybody, how goes it?

Right, I have a little question to ask you. I hate posting things like this in case it's already been discussed and it seems so obvious, but hopefully someone will put me straight. 

Was playing a spot of multiplayer yesterday and you know when the deactivation missions pop up? We had to deactivate "indoctrination devices". I hadn't looked at them before so I was quite surprised and I recognized them straight away as being identical (if not almost identical) to the Obelisk of Karza.

Has this been discussed yet? I would be amazed if it hasn't.

Anyway, here is the obelisk

http://ie.ign.com/wi...belisk_of_Karza 

Forward to 0:35

Cheers

#25184
Samtheman63

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thats just a general image used for all artifacts on the fetch quests

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Ace7

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Samtheman63 wrote...

thats just a general image used for all artifacts on the fetch quests


laziness or intentional?

Furthermore, was there an actual 3d rendered model of the artifact used anywhere else in the game/series or have they purposely built an indoctrination device based on that image just for multiplayer?

Modifié par Ace7, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .


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ah, i just realised that they are the same models used in the campaign when you have to recover reaper devices in the cerberus base.

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Andromidius wrote...

snip...

I always loved this little bit of lore in ME1.  And its even a bit ambigeous whether or not that it was Protheans doing the experiments.  The 'red eye' part especially sounds a lot like an Occulus - a Reaper drone.


They do even throw us a bone back to this in ME 3, when Javik comments that Shep is a fine soldier even though he evolved from living in a cave...

Edit: So I would say that it was most likely Prothean.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:27 .


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D.Sharrah

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This has got to be the longest thread title I have ever seen:

"If The Illusive Man Had More Time To Master Indoctrination Or Controling The Reapers And Worked With Shepard Instead Of Fighting Against Him Or Her Could We Have Beaten The Reapers Without The Crucible"

#25189
RavenEyry

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And I don't even have to read it to know it's completely wrong. Only ruin lies down the illusive path.

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BleedingUranium

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

snip...

I always loved this little bit of lore in ME1.  And its even a bit ambigeous whether or not that it was Protheans doing the experiments.  The 'red eye' part especially sounds a lot like an Occulus - a Reaper drone.


They do even throw us a bone back to this in ME 3, when Javik comments that Shep is a fine soldier even though he evolved from living in a cave...

Edit: So I would say that it was most likely Prothean.


What I got out of it was that he was implanted by Protheans with some brain-recording-device, and later gets killed by a Reaper/Occulus. And for those who want to argue that the Reapers left humans alone, well, not only was that Starbinger that said that, right before that he said something else untrue Posted Image

Wait, scratch all that, it was definitely this guy!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .


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RavenEyry

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What's untrue about harvesters?

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BleedingUranium

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RavenEyry wrote...

What's untrue about harvesters?


"Leaving the younger ones alone"

#25193
RavenEyry

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Ah of course. Brain fart.

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Lies upon lies! I knew I shouldn't have trusted the AI that was in charge of organic/AI's that were tasked with killing organics and synthetics so the synthetics don't kill organics.

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BleedingUranium

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RavenEyry wrote...

Ah of course. Brain fart.


Did you think I meant Harvesters were a lie or something? Posted Image

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Bacteriophage wrote...

Everything. Bacteriophage wrote everything.


Mother of God. I don't think I've even seen Arian do one that big.


Yeah, I know. Big posts ask a lot of their readers. I tried to edit it for clarity and ease of reading, but I could only shrink it so much. It was basically a repost of a whole conversation I had on annother site. I hope the folks who slogged through the whole thing feel they at least got something out of it.

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Lokanaiya

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Quick, semi-related question: were the Harvesters ever even mentioned before ME3?

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RavenEyry

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BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Ah of course. Brain fart.


Did you think I meant Harvesters were a lie or something? Posted Image

No I just couldn't think how they were lied about, but yes of course bystanders getting husked doesn't really fit with the reapers supposed ethos.

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RavenEyry

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick, semi-related question: were the Harvesters ever even mentioned before ME3?

They're husks of critters found on tuchanka in 2, apart from that we only preiviously saw humanoid husks.

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BleedingUranium

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Quick, semi-related question: were the Harvesters ever even mentioned before ME3?


They were in ME2, on Tuchunka and some random planets, notably the foggy one with the beacon path. They dropped Klixen.

Posted Image'd

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 septembre 2012 - 03:27 .