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zioninzion wrote...

I just joined these forums and I have no idea if this was already pointed out before (apologies if it was) but I just finished ME3 and was watching the DLC ending of destroy (which I obviously chose if I was watching it) and I noticed that after you pick destroy and the final cinematics begin and you see the final fighting on the ground on Earth as the Reapers begin to explode, that Big Ben seems to get consumed by the explosion and seems to be destroyed. However, in the EC with the images during the narration, Big Ben has not been harmed at all.

As an IT believer, does this inconsistency also back up IT? I know we dont know how far in the future the still shots are but isn't it weird that Big Ben looks untouched after it was blasted to pieces?

Sorry if this comment is ignorant of already proved facts :)

Big Ben gets asploded in low EMS endings, but I'm not sure if that also applies after in the slides.

Edit: TOP! YEAH! Estebanus?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

zioninzion wrote...

I just joined these forums and I have no idea if this was already pointed out before (apologies if it was) but I just finished ME3 and was watching the DLC ending of destroy (which I obviously chose if I was watching it) and I noticed that after you pick destroy and the final cinematics begin and you see the final fighting on the ground on Earth as the Reapers begin to explode, that Big Ben seems to get consumed by the explosion and seems to be destroyed. However, in the EC with the images during the narration, Big Ben has not been harmed at all.

As an IT believer, does this inconsistency also back up IT? I know we dont know how far in the future the still shots are but isn't it weird that Big Ben looks untouched after it was blasted to pieces?

Sorry if this comment is ignorant of already proved facts :)


Big Ben may or may not get destroyed in the cutscene depending on you EMS level, but if it always appears standing in the slide then yes, that's very strange Posted Image


Also why is Daniles, and Gabby with Coats at the in the slides if you have them with you in ME3, if you allowed them to come join the crew again.

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Hi, I've been playing around with fly cam and I've found this two things in Bryson's lab (right click to make them bigger)

The husk head seems to have Shepard's renegade scars (without the glow)
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And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:

Modifié par Home run MF, 23 septembre 2012 - 10:25 .


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masster blaster wrote...


Also why is Daniles, and Gabby with Coats at the in the slides if you have them with you in ME3, if you allowed them to come join the crew again.

Why is Coats the first person you see in all endings? We just met the guy! And he's dead...

And a traitor.

And a coward. (If literal)

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 septembre 2012 - 10:24 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

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@Spotlessvoid I actually can't remember if this was what you were talking about, but there was another piece of evidence I forgot to mention here. It supports IT and the puzzle theory.
Before the EC, the breath scene played after the credits; right before the stargazer scene.
After the EC, however, it plays right before the credits, and has its own piece of music and end scene. Logically that would take place before the credits in IT.


thats a great point, but not what I meant. Hopefully I remember what it is because what you said was really interesting!

Ha, I hope I remember too. Posted Image


Um I don't think it was. I got it before teh credits started. I will find the video before the EC to make sure I am right about this.

If I am wrong about that I would like confirmation. I still haven't made sure yet myself.

Edit: Crap! Oh well. It doesn't fit with the music but w/e.


But Banshee there is no music in the before EC breath scene, so what does that mean. You can here the background better without the added music in the breath scene in the EC Destroy ending.

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Home run MF wrote...

Hi, I've been playing around with fly cam and I've found this two things in Bryson's lab (right click to make them bigger)

The husk head seems to have Shepard's renegade scars (without the glow)
Posted Image

And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:


Not sure about the head, but the fireworks could mean Newyears, the 4th of July, or another holiday that has fireworks.

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masster blaster wrote...

But Banshee there is no music in the before EC breath scene, so what does that mean. You can here the background better without the added music in the breath scene in the EC Destroy ending.

I would say that the scene is now more important as it is the only outcome with its own memorial scene (they don't put up the name) and it also has its own music track. Like how Harbinger is getting more important, this is too.

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Home run MF wrote...

And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:

Hi Home Run. :) I'm not sure what to make of the fireworks, if not a celebration for figuring out IT or something. Remember,
 
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But Banshee there is no music in the before EC breath scene, so what does that mean. You can here the background better without the added music in the breath scene in the EC Destroy ending.

I would say that the scene is now more important as it is the only outcome with its own memorial scene (they don't put up the name) and it also has its own music track. Like how Harbinger is getting more important, this is too.

Ooh, I really like the idea that each DLC will keep adding to the importance of Harbinger. If they go down this path, they simply must have a good reason to do that. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:

Hi Home Run. :) I'm not sure what to make of the fireworks, if not a celebration for figuring out IT or something. Remember,
 
in.ctrn8 Posted Image

New years eve.

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masster blaster wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hi, I've been playing around with fly cam and I've found this two things in Bryson's lab (right click to make them bigger)

The husk head seems to have Shepard's renegade scars (without the glow)
Posted Image

And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:


Not sure about the head, but the fireworks could mean Newyears, the 4th of July, or another holiday that has fireworks.

I'd have to go with New years eve. Independence day is an american custom, not a canadian one.

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WAIT. Remember the 6 month DLC for ME3. Let's figure out what day they said they were going to do this and count how many months there are left for this all to happen. Then we can use the random items we have found and calculate the dates they dlc for Sp, MP, or news about ME3 Bioware has planed.

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So...easter egg mania:

Box of Chocolates
Champagne
Jack-o-Lantern
Cake
Easter Basket

and now...

Fireworks?

Could it mean that there is something big for New Year's? That is the second clue that could refer to that date (champagne and fireworks)...although they both could work for an anniversary as well...

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masster blaster wrote...

WAIT. Remember the 6 month DLC for ME3. Let's figure out what day they said they were going to do this and count how many months there are left for this all to happen. Then we can use the random items we have found and calculate the dates they dlc for Sp, MP, or news about ME3 Bioware has planed.

Well, Omega is most likely coming out in late October, which would cover the Jack-o-Lantern on Vancouver.

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But Banshee there is no music in the before EC breath scene, so what does that mean. You can here the background better without the added music in the breath scene in the EC Destroy ending.

I would say that the scene is now more important as it is the only outcome with its own memorial scene (they don't put up the name) and it also has its own music track. Like how Harbinger is getting more important, this is too.

Ooh, I really like the idea that each DLC will keep adding to the importance of Harbinger. If they go down this path, they simply must have a good reason to do that. 

In the same sense that they must have had a reason to have him be important at all in ME3-base game.

"Harbinger speaks of you" implies Harbinger is their leader.

His codex entry about him being the oldest reaper, and their implied leader again.

"Several Sovereign-class reapers including Harbinger have broken of from the battle with sword!" Where better for the leader to go but where our's is?

"Harbinger?" Shepard looks into the camera and has the horror face.

My personal theory is that Harbinger has effectively indoctrinated the other reapers. His personality compared to the rest seems to indicate that. He doesn't just spam absolutes and declare his awesomeness in an arguement. He also seems more emotional.

All that is just the base game too. They make him more important in Leviathan. The question of why make him more important is applied with much more importance here, because this is DLC.

If the rumours are true and there are collectors in Omega, it would also make perfect sense for Harbinger to be in too, assuming direct control of them. His taunts could reveal many things...

Harbinger is getting more important - now we just need to know why.

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Estebanus! I had a feeling you'd show up now.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

So...easter egg mania:

Box of Chocolates
Champagne
Jack-o-Lantern
Cake
Easter Basket

and now...

Fireworks?

Could it mean that there is something big for New Year's? That is the second clue that could refer to that date (champagne and fireworks)...although they both could work for an anniversary as well...

Good, I was just about to pull up one of the posts you made on this topic earlier.:)

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hi, I've been playing around with fly cam and I've found this two things in Bryson's lab (right click to make them bigger)

The husk head seems to have Shepard's renegade scars (without the glow)
Posted Image

And, I don't know if this counts as an easter egg but there are fireworks on the outside 

Posted Image

What could they celebrate with them? :wizard:


Not sure about the head, but the fireworks could mean Newyears, the 4th of July, or another holiday that has fireworks.

I'd have to go with New years eve. Independence day is an american custom, not a canadian one.


Or Canada's independence july 1 1867

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This is next year.
The most common (Federal) holidays of the United States (USA) in 2013 are listed below.
Date Holiday Number of days to go
January 1 Tuesday New Year's Day 2013 100
January 21 Monday Martin Luther King Day 2013 120
January 24 Thursday Belly Laugh Day 2013 123
February 2 Saturday Groundhog Day 2013 132
February 12 Tuesday Lincoln's Birthday 2013 142
February 12 Tuesday Mardi Gras Carnival (New Orleans) 2013 142
February 14 Thursday Valentine's Day 2013 144
February 18 Monday Presidents Day and Washington's Birthday 2013 148
March 10 Sunday Daylight Saving (Start) 2013 168
March 17 Sunday St. Patrick's Day 2013 175
March 29 Friday Good Friday 2013 187
March 31 Sunday Easter 2013 189
April 1 Monday April Fool's Day 2013 190
April 1 Monday Easter Monday 2013 190
April 22 Monday Earth Day 2013 211
May 5 Sunday Cinco de Mayo 2013 224
May 12 Sunday Mother's Day 2013 231
May 18 Saturday Armed Forces Day 2013 237
May 19 Sunday Pentecost 2013 238
May 20 Monday Pentecost Monday 2013 239
May 27 Monday Memorial Day 2013 246
June 14 Friday Flag Day 2013 264
June 16 Sunday Father's Day 2013 266
July 4 Thursday Independence Day 2013 284
July 28 Sunday Parents' Day 2013 308
September 2 Monday Labor Day 2013 344
September 8 Sunday Grandparents' Day 2013 350
September 11 Wednesday Patriot Day or September 11th 2013 353
September 16 Monday Stepfamily Day 2013 358
September 17 Tuesday Citizenship Day 2013 359
September 27 Friday Native American Day 2013 369
October 14 Monday Columbus Day 2013 386
October 16 Wednesday Boss's Day 2013 388
October 19 Saturday Sweetest Day 2013 391
October 31 Thursday Halloween 2013 403
November 3 Sunday Daylight Saving (End) 2013 406
November 11 Monday Veterans' Day 2013 414
November 28 Thursday Thanksgiving 2013 431
November 29 Friday Black Friday 2013 432
December 2 Monday Cyber Monday 2013 435
December 7 Saturday Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day 2013 440
December 25 Wednesday Christmas Day 2013 458
December 31 Tuesday New Year's Eve 2013


This is 2012
January 1 Sunday New Year's Day 2012 -
January 16 Monday Martin Luther King Day 2012 -
January 24 Tuesday Belly Laugh Day 2012 -
February 2 Thursday Groundhog Day 2012 -
February 12 Sunday Lincoln's Birthday 2012 -
February 14 Tuesday Valentine's Day 2012 -
February 20 Monday Presidents Day and Washington's Birthday 2012 -
February 21 Tuesday Mardi Gras Carnival (New Orleans) 2012 -
March 11 Sunday Daylight Saving (Start) 2012 -
March 17 Saturday St. Patrick's Day 2012 -
April 1 Sunday April Fool's Day 2012 -
April 6 Friday Good Friday 2012 -
April 8 Sunday Easter 2012 -
April 9 Monday Easter Monday 2012 -
April 22 Sunday Earth Day 2012 -
May 5 Saturday Cinco de Mayo 2012 -
May 13 Sunday Mother's Day 2012 -
May 19 Saturday Armed Forces Day 2012 -
May 27 Sunday Pentecost 2012 -
May 28 Monday Memorial Day 2012 -
May 28 Monday Pentecost Monday 2012 -
June 14 Thursday Flag Day 2012 -
June 17 Sunday Father's Day 2012 -
July 4 Wednesday Independence Day 2012 -
July 22 Sunday Parents' Day 2012 -
September 3 Monday Labor Day 2012 -
September 9 Sunday Grandparents' Day 2012 -
September 11 Tuesday Patriot Day or September 11th 2012 -
September 16 Sunday Stepfamily Day 2012 -
September 17 Monday Citizenship Day 2012 -
September 28 Friday Native American Day 2012 5
October 8 Monday Columbus Day 2012 15
October 16 Tuesday Boss's Day 2012 23
October 20 Saturday Sweetest Day 2012 27
October 31 Wednesday Halloween 2012 38
November 4 Sunday Daylight Saving (End) 2012 42
November 11 Sunday Veterans' Day 2012 49
November 22 Thursday Thanksgiving 2012 60
November 23 Friday Black Friday 2012 61
November 26 Monday Cyber Monday 2012 64
December 7 Friday Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day 2012 75
December 25 Tuesday Christmas Day 2012 93
December 31 Monday New Year's Eve 2012


http://www.calendar-...idays/2012.html

#25345
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New year's day is on a Tuesday. Posted Image

Please cut the pictures and walls MB!

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But remember... Bioware is based in Canada...

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401 Kill wrote...

But remember... Bioware is based in Canada...


Yes but they are in the same time zone. WHat is Monday in America is Monday in Canada,


here is Canada's calender for next year. www.timeanddate.com/calendar/

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanusister! I had a feeling you'd show up now.

You know me too well, it seems!
However, I can't stay for long. I'm going to bed soon.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

New year's day is on a Tuesday. Posted Image

Please cut the pictures and walls MB!

You're right!

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masster blaster wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

But remember... Bioware is based in Canada...


Yes but they are in the same time zone. WHat is Monday in America is Monday in Canada,

Huh? That doesn't mean they share the same Holidays.And both of the countries span multiple time zones.