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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Does that mean no more Estabanusister in 10 days? :crying:

Not for the next 6 months, at least!


How horrible!

Oh, come on now! At least you'll have my brother back!

Isn't he busy at university?

Yes, but he's gonna have vacation in two weeks. It's called "fall vacation."
I don't think it exists in North America...

EDIT: Top!

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But Banshee there is no music in the before EC breath scene, so what does that mean. You can here the background better without the added music in the breath scene in the EC Destroy ending.

I would say that the scene is now more important as it is the only outcome with its own memorial scene (they don't put up the name) and it also has its own music track. Like how Harbinger is getting more important, this is too.

Ooh, I really like the idea that each DLC will keep adding to the importance of Harbinger. If they go down this path, they simply must have a good reason to do that. 

In the same sense that they must have had a reason to have him be important at all in ME3-base game.

"Harbinger speaks of you" implies Harbinger is their leader.

His codex entry about him being the oldest reaper, and their implied leader again.

"Several Sovereign-class reapers including Harbinger have broken of from the battle with sword!" Where better for the leader to go but where our's is?

"Harbinger?" Shepard looks into the camera and has the horror face.

My personal theory is that Harbinger has effectively indoctrinated the other reapers. His personality compared to the rest seems to indicate that. He doesn't just spam absolutes and declare his awesomeness in an arguement. He also seems more emotional.

All that is just the base game too. They make him more important in Leviathan. The question of why make him more important is applied with much more importance here, because this is DLC.

If the rumours are true and there are collectors in Omega, it would also make perfect sense for Harbinger to be in too, assuming direct control of them. His taunts could reveal many things...

Harbinger is getting more important - now we just need to know why.


Oh wow! I remember now that if there are Collectors (along with Cerberus and for all we know, Reaper troops too) in this upcoming DLC, Harbinger may show up again! :o Sure, Bioware can't reveal anything super plot-shatteringly important, but if they imply that he is directly influencing Shepard through certain means, it could boost up IT significantly. As well as bring back Harbinger as 'Big Bad'.

As to the rest, that's actually my theory. Harbinger is what the Intelligence became after it Reaperized itself with the Leviathans. The Leviathans are angered about it, but recognize that it was their plan being fulfilled in the first place (they were just backstabbed) and they can turn the cycles and Reapers around to their advantage over time. Harbinger has been strongly influencing Shepard's mind since Arrival (and Shepard has had very minor symptoms of indoctrination since Lazerus), and his cyborg mind is hacked in the beamrun.

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)

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Well, I'm off. See ya later!

Modifié par estebanus, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:29 .


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SwobyJ wrote...

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)

Fits with my Rio theory!
Blur told me that in the original leaked script (why I haven't read it I don't know) Shepard was knocked back into some rubble and got rebar stuck through his/her leg. (S)he then had to get up and apply medigel and keep fighting!

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SwobyJ wrote...

Oh wow! I remember now that if there are Collectors (along with Cerberus and for all we know, Reaper troops too) in this upcoming DLC, Harbinger may show up again! :o Sure, Bioware can't reveal anything super plot-shatteringly important, but if they imply that he is directly influencing Shepard through certain means, it could boost up IT significantly. As well as bring back Harbinger as 'Big Bad'.

As to the rest, that's actually my theory. Harbinger is what the Intelligence became after it Reaperized itself with the Leviathans. The Leviathans are angered about it, but recognize that it was their plan being fulfilled in the first place (they were just backstabbed) and they can turn the cycles and Reapers around to their advantage over time. Harbinger has been strongly influencing Shepard's mind since Arrival (and Shepard has had very minor symptoms of indoctrination since Lazerus), and his cyborg mind is hacked in the beamrun.

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)


Are you sure I didn't write this and you stole it? Posted Image




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Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:32 .


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estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm off. See ya later!

Bye...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Okay everyone, time for a choice:

Left - Centre - Right

Absolutely hilarious!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)

Fits with my Rio theory!
Blur told me that in the original leaked script (why I haven't read it I don't know) Shepard was knocked back into some rubble and got rebar stuck through his/her leg. (S)he then had to get up and apply medigel and keep fighting!

What exactly is it with ITers and rebar?! I remember that breat scene/rebar comparison way back right after the ending fiasco broke out...
Estebanus was going on about that the whole damn time! Fortunately, I was sent to Afghanistan only 1 week later, so I didn't have to listen to him everytime something new popped up that probably was totally insignificant.

Modifié par estebanus, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:34 .


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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)

Fits with my Rio theory!
Blur told me that in the original leaked script (why I haven't read it I don't know) Shepard was knocked back into some rubble and got rebar stuck through his/her leg. (S)he then had to get up and apply medigel and keep fighting!

What exactly is it with ITers and rebar?! I remember that breat scene/rebar comparison way back right after the ending fiasco broke out...
Estebanus was going on about that the whole damn time! Fortunately, I was sent to Afghanistan only 1 week later, so I didn't have to listen to him everytime something new popped up that probably was totally insignificant.


The literalists were trying to say that the rebar in the breath scene was Reaper cable, when they were trying to say Shep was still on the Citadel.

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)

Fits with my Rio theory!
Blur told me that in the original leaked script (why I haven't read it I don't know) Shepard was knocked back into some rubble and got rebar stuck through his/her leg. (S)he then had to get up and apply medigel and keep fighting!

What exactly is it with ITers and rebar?! I remember that breat scene/rebar comparison way back right after the ending fiasco broke out...
Estebanus was going on about that the whole damn time! Fortunately, I was sent to Afghanistan only 1 week later, so I didn't have to listen to him everytime something new popped up that probably was totally insignificant.

I was just pointing out that that sounds exactly like the breath scene.

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Just want to remind everyone that Casey Huson supports destroy Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh wow! I remember now that if there are Collectors (along with Cerberus and for all we know, Reaper troops too) in this upcoming DLC, Harbinger may show up again! :o Sure, Bioware can't reveal anything super plot-shatteringly important, but if they imply that he is directly influencing Shepard through certain means, it could boost up IT significantly. As well as bring back Harbinger as 'Big Bad'.

As to the rest, that's actually my theory. Harbinger is what the Intelligence became after it Reaperized itself with the Leviathans. The Leviathans are angered about it, but recognize that it was their plan being fulfilled in the first place (they were just backstabbed) and they can turn the cycles and Reapers around to their advantage over time. Harbinger has been strongly influencing Shepard's mind since Arrival (and Shepard has had very minor symptoms of indoctrination since Lazerus), and his cyborg mind is hacked in the beamrun.

Current headcanon story continuation is that Shepard is helped up by someone in the rubble and some event happens, leading forces or at least Shepard and crew to Rio for a final DLC that is pretty much expansion pack sized (at least several hours total?). This paragraph is just guesses though :)


Are you sure I didn't write this and you stole it? Posted Image




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Haha. I've been developing this for some time. General view goes:

1. Base Game
2. 'From Ashes' (Prothian squad member)
3. Extended Cut
4. Leviathan
5. 'Omega'
6. 'Citadel'
7. Final pack

If IT isn't all but proven (not explicitly, but nearly totally implicitly) by mid next year, I'm out, lol.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

For instance, why accepting a solution presented by the leader of the Reapers and effectively compromising with them is better for resisting indoctrination than showing them that you will never accept their solutions, no matter what, even if it means the death of the entire cycle.

Everyone needs to remember that the end is a combination of Harbinger's indoctrination and Shepard psyche. Therefore, many elements including destroy as an option, and familiar surroundings like the human-reaper tube, are products of Shepard's mind - not Harbinger's hallucination.

Seems like everyone left, so I'm gonna go eat dinner. See you later.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:52 .


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Just want to remind everyone that Casey Huson supports destroy Posted Image

What sane person wouldnt support Destroy?

Modifié par 401 Kill, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:52 .


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paxxton wrote...

:D

Oh I just KNEW you were here! I was just luring you in.:P

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401 Kill wrote...

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:D

Oh I just KNEW you were here! I was just luring you in.:P

I was passing by and heard someone despised Control in here, so I decided to chime in. Posted Image

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Just want to remind everyone that Casey Huson supports destroy Posted Image

What sane person wouldnt support Destroy?


N7 Destroyer supports destroy.  DEVASTATOR MODE ENGAGED!

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SwobyJ wrote...
If IT isn't all but proven (not explicitly, but nearly totally implicitly) by mid next year, I'm out, lol.

DLC cycle should end Q1 2013, maybe early Q2 (ie, April). If it's not obvious (as in, more obvious) by then, head on your way :lol:

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estebanus wrote...

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Does that mean no more Estabanusister in 10 days? Posted Image

Not for the next 6 months, at least!

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^Estebanusister's leaving makes TSA saaaad.

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Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Just want to remind everyone that Casey Huson supports destroy Posted Image

What sane person wouldnt support Destroy?


N7 Destroyer supports destroy.  DEVASTATOR MODE ENGAGED!


MISSILE SYSTEMS ACTIVE!

RRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!

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TSA_383 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
If IT isn't all but proven (not explicitly, but nearly totally implicitly) by mid next year, I'm out, lol.

DLC cycle should end Q1 2013, maybe early Q2 (ie, April). If it's not obvious (as in, more obvious) by then, head on your way :lol:

We can only hope that they release a mind blowing last DLC a year after launch.

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401 Kill wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
If IT isn't all but proven (not explicitly, but nearly totally implicitly) by mid next year, I'm out, lol.

DLC cycle should end Q1 2013, maybe early Q2 (ie, April). If it's not obvious (as in, more obvious) by then, head on your way :lol:

We can only hope that they release a mind blowing last DLC a year after launch.


Seems like a likely time frame to me.

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TSA_383 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Does that mean no more Estabanusister in 10 days? Posted Image

Not for the next 6 months, at least!

Posted Image


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^Estebanusister's leaving makes TSA saaaad.

What are we going to do without Estebanusister!?

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Lol @Tsa, I just imagined you posting a picture of your avatar but instead of the cat smiling, it would be crying! Btw you have one of the best avatars.