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[RavenEyry]

smokingotter1 wrote...

On the citadel this is the only light that is that color, note the positioning/ It's Harbinger. The tube even leads directly into the light. Tubes represent reaper tech.

I've not seen that before. Thanks!

[Dendio1]

fun to see these gestures were the same way back in me1

[BleedingUranium]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, guys, I dunno if this has been discussed before and it has nothing to do with the endings so might be a bit off topic. But remember how in Mass Effect Inquisition Bailey killed Pallin in gunfire on Udina's command? Well we now know that Pallin was innocent, right?

He was innocent? And Udina was involved? All I know is what Bailey said about it in game, as I haven't read any of the comics.

[Samtheman63]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, guys, I dunno if this has been discussed before and it has nothing to do with the endings so might be a bit off topic. But remember how in Mass Effect Inquisition Bailey killed Pallin in gunfire on Udina's command? Well we now know that Pallin was innocent, right?

He was innocent? And Udina was involved? All I know is what Bailey said about it in game, as I haven't read any of the comics.

Watch it here, im pretty sure he is

[RavenEyry]

In the comic Bailey gets sent by Udina to arrest Pallin and Pallin accuses Udina of setting him up before getting killed. I read that one and it made Udinas betrayal less surprising, though we still don't have all the details.

[smokingotter1]

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

On the citadel this is the only light that is that color, note the positioning/ It's Harbinger. The tube even leads directly into the light. Tubes represent reaper tech.

I've not seen that before. Thanks!

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

Mass Effect borrows heavily from  Christian mythology. Jesus Christ is viewed as a Shepard who guides
Christians. Shepard died and came back to life just like Jesus did. In ME2 Shepard has 12  disciples. Moving on-

I was wondering what the heck the Ilusive Man/Indoctrinated eyes represent. Thinking about religious iconography I came to a conclusion. The reaper indoctrinated eyes are a reference to the holy trinity (and if so indoctrination is similar to that of being a "true believer"). Don't believe me google image search holy trinity, or the son god, and the holy spirit, it's you can even see it represented in a lot of the paintings.







Here is where Bioware turns the story on its head. Its the reapers who view themselves as God like. Indoctrination has the effect of making those under the reapers power view them with "supersititious awe." When TIM was hit with a reaper artifact he gained the "holy trinity" eyes. As the storyline progressed he started to have faith in the reapers, he was getting holy spirt (at least from the reapers point of view).



Here's an interesting take. Shepard's renegade eyes are similar, but the writers choose to make his eyes upside down. What does a upside down Cross represent in Chrisian iconography? The anti-Christ. The twist is the hero is the anti-Christ in this analogy... or the anti-reaper.


Notice Shepard's renegade eyes, the holy trinity symbol is upside down.

Think about it. The reapers are trying to save organics from their sins. The sin is the creation of synthetic life. In order to save them they have to help organics "accend" to reaper form. In order for them to do that they have to have faith in the reapers (indoctrination). The reapers have motivations that they claim are simply "beyond" our comprehension, much like how god works in mysterious ways.

Shepard is trying to undo that. Shepard allied him/herself with one of the seven princes of hell: a beast from the sea Leviathan (as described in Job and Isiah). Shepard carries the mark of the beast (Cerberus). He spreads destructive heresies (at least according to the reapers and indoctrinated agents) that the reapers can be fought if the galaxy unites. Shepard represents Chaos to the Reapers order.  When Shepard chooses the renegade path his synthentic parts that show the upside down trinity burn brighter. Even the destroy choice at the very end of ME3 is renegade. It's not the choice of a true believer.

Shepard is the anti-reaper. Do not believe his heresies.

First time I officially reposted. I'll keep reposts to once a month folks. Since I'm rping might as well repost this.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:12 .

[spotlessvoid]

RavenEyry wrote...

@doomsdaydevice Hacket does the 'chin-holding' pose several times too. I think it's just a generic thoughtful pose.

like the super sweaty forehead swipe?

[Eryri]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The talk of an Awakenings-sized DLC gets me wondering if we'll ever see a Mass Effect: Complete Edition pack? With all three games, and every piece of DLC included in one tidy package...

How many discs would it be? ME = 1, ME2 = 3? ME3 = 3/4, with one sole'y for multiplayer?

...even though I've already bought and downloaded all the DLC, I'd happily buy it.

...not least because I'm running seriously short on hard drive space on my Xbox.

That would be excellent. I'd be really interested in that for PS3. Sadly it's unlikely though, as I think Microsoft still owns the rights to ME1.

[smokingotter1]

Eryri wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The talk of an Awakenings-sized DLC gets me wondering if we'll ever see a Mass Effect: Complete Edition pack? With all three games, and every piece of DLC included in one tidy package...

How many discs would it be? ME = 1, ME2 = 3? ME3 = 3/4, with one sole'y for multiplayer?

...even though I've already bought and downloaded all the DLC, I'd happily buy it.

...not least because I'm running seriously short on hard drive space on my Xbox.

That would be excellent. I'd be really interested in that for PS3. Sadly it's unlikely though, as I think Microsoft still owns the rights to ME1.

Weird saying this...but I wish MS still owned the ME franchise..

[BleedingUranium]

Samtheman63 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hey, guys, I dunno if this has been discussed before and it has nothing to do with the endings so might be a bit off topic. But remember how in Mass Effect Inquisition Bailey killed Pallin in gunfire on Udina's command? Well we now know that Pallin was innocent, right?

He was innocent? And Udina was involved? All I know is what Bailey said about it in game, as I haven't read any of the comics.

Watch it here, im pretty sure he is

RavenEyry wrote...

In the comic Bailey gets sent by Udina to arrest Pallin and Pallin accuses Udina of setting him up before getting killed. I read that one and it made Udinas betrayal less surprising, though we still don't have all the details.

Hmm, very interesting. Well, at least that pretty much confirms that Bailey's not a Cerberus sleeper, as some people were saying after LOTSB. It seems more like Udina's trying to trick him into helping him/Cerberus instead.

Also, him using a Paladin was nice and consistant with the game

[Restrider]

smokingotter1 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

On the citadel this is the only light that is that color, note the positioning/ It's Harbinger. The tube even leads directly into the light. Tubes represent reaper tech.

I've not seen that before. Thanks!

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

--snip--

There is not much to add to this analysis.
Maybe some analogy between Saren, TIM and a few prophets?
Btw: I thing there is a little flaw here. You compare Shepard due to his resurrection and his twelve squadmates in ME 2 with Jesus, yet in this game he is the anti-christ.
I see your point, but the analogy does not work 100 %.

Modifié par Restrider, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[RavenEyry]

@Otter: My favourite bit of religious symbolism is being asked to make a leap of faith by the devil. If you couldn't guess, Jesus decides not to do it because THE FREAKING DEVIL ASKED HIM TOO.

[Rifneno]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The talk of an Awakenings-sized DLC gets me wondering if we'll ever see a Mass Effect: Complete Edition pack? With all three games, and every piece of DLC included in one tidy package...

How many discs would it be? ME = 1, ME2 = 3? ME3 = 3/4, with one sole'y for multiplayer?

...even though I've already bought and downloaded all the DLC, I'd happily buy it.

...not least because I'm running seriously short on hard drive space on my Xbox.

That would be excellent. I'd be really interested in that for PS3. Sadly it's unlikely though, as I think Microsoft still owns the rights to ME1.

Weird saying this...but I wish MS still owned the ME franchise..

If we had an ME-Halo crossover you wouldn't be saying that.

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

@Otter: My favourite bit of religious symbolism is being asked to make a leap of faith by the devil. If you couldn't guess, Jesus decides not to do it because THE FREAKING DEVIL ASKED HIM TOO.

That one's great

[Samtheman63]

RavenEyry wrote...

@Otter: My favourite bit of religious symbolism is being asked to make a leap of faith by the devil. If you couldn't guess, Jesus decides not to do it because THE FREAKING DEVIL ASKED HIM TOO.

HA

[BleedingUranium]

Reposting because it's morning, and added Paxx's EC date.

Holycrapholycrapholycrap! Ideas! Puzzle Theory related breakthroughs! Banshee and I were talking, discussing IT, and I thought of something brilliant. Though these are all known pieces of evidence and such, I never thought of this until now.

The Extended Cut was June 26th, the last Tuesday of the month. (credit to Paxxton for bringing this up)

Leviathan was August 28th, the last Tuesday of the month.

Omega is widely expected to be October 30th, due to several factors. Any later, and it would be on either the release of Halo 4, Black Ops 2, or immediately after their releases, which would be a terrible idea. We also have the Pumpkin in Vancouver, as well as dev comments that they're playing it right now and that it's amazing, so if it's not done now, it's very close.

"DLC 3", which may or may not be the Xen/Keeper DLC, has been announced to be released 1st Quarter 2013.

Since everything's on Tuesdays, EC, Levi, and Omega would be as close as you can get to 2 months apart each, which is 9 weeks. Almost any time in 2013 is longer than 9 weeks from Omega, and that'd be a bit strange.

Oh, wait. Fireworks? Champagne? New Years DLC you say? Well, it just so happens that 9 weeks after Omega is... January 1st! Which just so happens to be? Technically 1st quarter 2013.


Still not sold? Well that's okay, there's more.

Remember Bioware stated they're working on a new Mass Effect game? As well, someone (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) was talking about the possibility of it being a "Mass Effect 3: Part 2", or, at any rate, an expansion big enough to be disc based. While I find this to be a cool idea, there's now more to it.

Extended Cut. 9 weeks later? Leviathan. 9 weeks later? Halloween & Omega. 9 weeks later? New Years/Q1-2013 & "DLC 3". 9 weeks later?

March 5th. One year less a day from the launch of Mass Effect 3.

The next Mass Effect game won't feature Shepard as the playable character?
The game flags our choices at the end?
We should keep our saves?
The Rachni will play a huge role in the final battle with the Reapers?
No ABC endings?
No Reaper off switch?
"If you knew what we were planning you'd hold on to your copies forever"?

[smokingotter1]

Restrider wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

On the citadel this is the only light that is that color, note the positioning/ It's Harbinger. The tube even leads directly into the light. Tubes represent reaper tech.

I've not seen that before. Thanks!

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

--snip--

There is not much to add to this analysis.
Maybe some analogy between Saren, TIM and a few prophets?
Btw: I thing there is a little flaw here. You compare Shepard due to his resurrection and his twelve squadmates in ME 2 with Jesus, yet in this game he is the anti-christ.
I see your point, but the analogy does not work 100 %.

Its not a perfect fit because Bioware decided to inverse some of the roles. Otherwise it would be boring and predictable. The symbolism is still there.

[demersel]

What did i miss? Is CW ep 2 out?

[Eryri]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Remember Bioware stated they're working on a new Mass Effect game? As well, someone (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) was talking about the possibility of it being a "Mass Effect 3: Part 2", or, at any rate, an expansion big enough to be disc based. While I find this to be a cool idea, there's now more to it.

Please God let it be true! (wrote Eryri while genuflecting in front of his monitor).

How common are actual proper expansion packs these days? I floated the idea on another thread and was roundly shot down as apparently "those days are long gone."

I know The Sims chucks out expansions every couple of months, but they seem to be an exception. How long ago was the DA Awakening expansion? That was recent enought to be in the current age of piecemeal DLC right?

[Restrider]

Any opinions on Udina's ideology in ME1 full-renegade ending?
I mean, he had this ideology in ME1, maybe he cooperated with Cerberus before the events of ME3 happened?

[Eryri]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Weird saying this...but I wish MS still owned the ME franchise..

Yeah it's a bit much when you make Microsoft seem like a model of corporate responsibility.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[Rifneno]

Thing is, having secret deadlines for content means... well, having deadlines. Pretty set in stone ones. That's a bad thing. A very bad thing. There's a reason that game companies (or any software for that matter) often woefully miss their first projected release dates. It's hard work that's full of very time consuming and unpredictable snags. When companies stick to release dates put out far ahead of time, you generally wind up wishing they hadn't. BW is certainly smart enough to know this. So I don't see them having this secret schedule unless the DLCs are already done. And the DLCs aren't done. They'd be bat**** crazy to have them done and not release them because it doesn't yet sync up with their Joker-esque master plan involving literal Easter eggs on a MP map.

[MissMaster_2]

TSA_383 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
Protip: Those dream sequence sounds were some of the only in-game sounds that we confirmed contain Infrasound in significant quantities. 

Just seen the video on that...  infrasound was also present whenever Coates was around? 

No wonder I didn't trust the dodgy geezer.

I was going to get the maschine out and do a quick demo of the infrasound in the game, but I've got a cracking migrane and the last hting I need is heavy bass!

Video link??

[MissMaster_2]

RavenEyry wrote...

@doomsdaydevice Hacket does the 'chin-holding' pose several times too. I think it's just a generic thoughtful pose.

This. All of the non crew human men run off of the same rig. That is why they are the same height so they all have the same set poses. 

[RavenEyry]

Eryri wrote...

I know The Sims chucks out expansions every couple of months, but they seem to be an exception.

And now EA are witholding them in an attempt to tempt fans over to origin. I'm going to ignore the devil again I think.