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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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RavenEyry wrote...

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I know The Sims chucks out expansions every couple of months, but they seem to be an exception.

And now EA are witholding them in an attempt to tempt fans over to origin. I'm going to ignore the devil again I think.


Always a wise decision. By the way, great signature.

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Watching Doctor Who, second season - so much like mass effect. )))

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demersel wrote...

Watching Doctor Who, second season - so much like mass effect. )))


It is isn't it? I could have sworn the Doctor said something about sending a signal through Dark Space in last Saturday's episode.

And I've always thought that the new theme for Matt Smith's Doctor that plays during the show (not the main theme that plays over the credits) sounds almost exactly like the suicide mission music.

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Right now i'm watching the Impossible planet + the satan's pit duo episodes - from season two - that is SO much like the Leviathan DLC. ))))))

Up to frames, rock drawings - everything!

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Do you think we will meet Feron in the Omega DLC? Afaik he was operating in the Terminus Systems during ME3.

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You know, we just might. )

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Restrider wrote...

Do you think we will meet Feron in the Omega DLC? Afaik he was operating in the Terminus Systems during ME3.


Good point.

Could actually be nice if the DLC opened with Liara informing you that Feron has found a way into Omega or similar critical information that leads to us needing and beeing able to go to Omega (and off course informing Aria about it) Would be a nice tie in to how Cerberus destroyed the Shadow Brokers ship (even if Liara got payback at the same time) by then have Liara and by extension her network as Shadowbroker expose a way into Omega which iswithout doubt a critical Cerberus facility (or worse).

Also sending a message to Aria how you got a way into Omega could be a nice way to get her on the Ship for the DLC possibly as a temporary squad mate. Imagine Aria pulling up alongside the Normandy in some private ship and marching on board like she owns the place. Would be a lovely way to include her without ruining any of the golden rules of Omega if you ask me.

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estebanus

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Feron? Who's that?

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Liaras drell friend in LotSB

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Was just thinking about the upcoming mass effect dlc whilst making the kids tea as you do. I was thinking that the postulated 9 weeks seems pretty short, almost like they don't want people to lose interest. So now begins a rambling supposition.

1. The Omega dlc will introduce some ambiguity to the crucible, not enough to discredit it completely but enough to cause Shepherd uncertanty, that maybe it is a reaper device (maybe ithis info comes from a disreputable source TIM for example) but the complete lack of a plan B drives the crucible plan on.  At the same time we learn more about the reapers and their AI shackles and also that the intelligence is actually on the citadel (more on this later) but without context it is difficult to decipher.

2. The Citadel dlc expands on this again giving ambigous info on the crucible and various characters put theories across but again nothing concete as nobody knows how it works.  One theory could be put across that it is a giant indoctrination device but nobody believes it because why would the Protheans build that.? But remember nobody knows what it do's only that the Protheans "modified" it somehow a la the A team.  What if the Protheans had figured it out and  the modifications turned the the crucible into a bomb, and in a high risk gambit they intended to use it to destroy the citadel because they knew this housed the intelligence and that it is guiding/controlling the reapers.

3. The Rio dlc is where it all goes down.  Get ready for the most convoluted plot ever.  When Shepherd goes into the decision chamber he is now armed with information and can question the AI properly.  As a result of this Shepherd learns that the reapers although AI constructs they are flavoured by the race they are made from.  The AI was created by the Levithans "to protect all life by any means" as the Levithans organic thralls kept getting killed by their synthetic constructs however as the Levithans controoled their thralls is follows that the Levithans were the root cause. 
3a.However the AI realised that the real problem was the Leviathans as they did not understand value life and did not understand synthetic life as they could not control it. So the AI decided that the Leviathans must be made to understand synthetics and decided to reaperise them preserving their essence in repear form as a kind of life whilst removing the greatest threat to all life.
3b.However when the AI reaperised the Levi's it did to good a job and it preserved the malevolence and controll freakery of the Levi's and good all Harbinger wanted to control all life sytnthetic and organic so that it would be the "true pinaccle of existence" and no further evolution would be possible. Harbinger then went on to indoctrinate the AI using his modified Levi control. We assume the AI is hardware but the Levi's controlled organic minds so maybe the AI is organic (possibly the keepers)
3c. The Levi's though built in AI shackles, things it could not do and perhaps the main 1 was that a synthetic could not overide the programming of that AI so that any advanced synthetic race could not itnterfere with the "solution"  Thus Harbingers problem it wants to synthesize and controll the entire galaxy however he cannot do that as he is syntehtic and the AI would not allow that neither would it allow a synthetic creation to do that.  So he designs a device that organics will build and that will interface with the AI on the citadel and will allow him to control/synthesize all life in the galaxy by making it an organic that makes the decision thus overidding the AI shackle and allowing Levi to indoctrinate the entitre galaxy at once using the mass relays as broadcast relays. 

4. Harbinger is the collection of millions of the most advanced species collected as 1 entity so his powers are as per the Levi's but massisvley magnified. These creatures measure the lives in aeons so are incredibly patient, the reason the cycle has continued for so long is that the organics must make it themselves without any outside interference, so say if tthe  reapers paused for 200 years in the middle of the harvest to let them build it maybe the AI would get sus.  Also Harbinger is patient he's got no rush and he's not going tos die or anything plus he gets more reaper buddies to push around.

5. Also in the DLC's it may be revealed that ESA was building a copy of the Klendagon gun in Rio to help against the reaper threat and so when Shep wakes up from the mental battle with Harbinger tehy all go to Rio to get the gun and destroy the the crucible which has been modified into a bomb to destroy the citadel/AI by the protheans which will foil Harbingers plan once and for all and maybe the feedback of destroying the AI will leave Hrabinger vulnerable as when Sovereign was controlling Saren.

6. Final DLC will be the final fight against the reapers and the hunt for Harbinger to end his threat forever........

Disuss fellow ITers, do I need more in my life or phsciatric help.  Sorry its not formatted to well or easy to follow but this was all going through my head whilst making tea for 2 children so had to get it down fast (basically so I could read through it myself!) 

Anyway I burnt the kids tea so have had to make it twice!Posted Image

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V-rcingetorix

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@dazbotchip

Impressive; very impressive.

Having the original Reaper being fouled by the mindset of the original species is very clever. This raises the question: why did the proto-Reaper on the Collector Base have a human appearance at all? I mean, it had arms, legs, teeth, eyesockets (two too many, but hey, the originals look like a combination of leaf-hoppers and squid).

The problem with your theory is that questioning the Crucible would force BioWare to change the ending, or at least make significant alterations. Either would cost large sums of cash, unless there's a cheap way?

What I'd really like is a Reunion DLC that could explain a lot of this. The whole "one breath" thing, the forced immolation for Synthesis that violates every organic/synthetic in the galaxy....

I can't believe that the ultimate goal for the Catalyst Child is to have one (singular, individual, non-plural) individual with tech upgrades jump off a cliff...couldn't the Collectors just taken somebody, pumped him/her up with meds, made the tech modifications and tossed him/her over the edge?

If the answer is "Reapers couldn't build the Crucible," then a conventional victory was SOOOO possible. Millions of years of civilizations, and they can't build a crucible? Easily beaten morons.

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Harbinger having AI shackles? Possible, but it's kind of tangental to the story as it currently exists, and would mean a major antagonist focus twist. Personally, I'd prefer Harbinger as the Big Bad, instead of Casper the Kidly Ghost...

Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 24 septembre 2012 - 08:43 .


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I really do hate the idea of the AI being on the citadel. What was the point of Sovereign in ME1 then? If the AI is so helpless it needed Sovereign to activate the signal, how did it ever manage to overthrow Leviathan and create Harbinger?

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Oh. Hello!

Don't mind me. *starts setting up suspicious equipment in one corner of the thread*

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V-rcingetorix wrote...

@dazbotchip

Impressive; very impressive.

Having the original Reaper being fouled by the mindset of the original species is very clever. This raises the question: why did the proto-Reaper on the Collector Base have a human appearance at all? I mean, it had arms, legs, teeth, eyesockets (two too many, but hey, the originals look like a combination of leaf-hoppers and squid).


Considering the Proto Reaper is nowhere near the 2 km a full size Sovereign class Reaper reaches I think it is safe to conclude that the Proto Reaper is just the core and that an outer cuttlefish shell will be added later, giving it its reaper form but preserving the core in the likeness of the original species.

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Hhhmmm, interesting. I dont think there will be enough dlc's to cover this. I really hope they focus on the crucible in omega though. Throw us a curve ball or two. By the way, when you said you burned the tea..what part of the works are you from? Strange question to ask I know

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

V-rcingetorix wrote...

@dazbotchip

Impressive; very impressive.

Having the original Reaper being fouled by the mindset of the original species is very clever. This raises the question: why did the proto-Reaper on the Collector Base have a human appearance at all? I mean, it had arms, legs, teeth, eyesockets (two too many, but hey, the originals look like a combination of leaf-hoppers and squid).


Considering the Proto Reaper is nowhere near the 2 km a full size Sovereign class Reaper reaches I think it is safe to conclude that the Proto Reaper is just the core and that an outer cuttlefish shell will be added later, giving it its reaper form but preserving the core in the likeness of the original species.


Plausible, plausible, but why go through all the trouble of giving it arms and prehinsile tail? None of the other Reapers have that, just claws and a rudder thingy...

EDIT: so all the other Reapers have little Prothean/alternative ancient people models inside? Brings new meaning to "everyone has a skinny person inside, just waiting to get out."

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lex0r11 wrote...

Oh. Hello!

Don't mind me. *starts setting up suspicious equipment in one corner of the thread*

Is... Is that a surveillance satellite? :P

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or maybe a bomb...

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We have located indoctrination devices planet side.
You have to deactivate them!

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What? This? This.. uhm. Haha. This is.. well. Hunting. Helps me hunting. You all know what my job in here is. It's sanctioned by the IT Council!

Look, there is discussion going on over there.

*makes awkward hand signals to estebanus to not give him away*

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smokingotter1 wrote...

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Yeah!!!
**** the transitive property!!!


















I'm sorry, continue...

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I really do hate the idea of the AI being on the citadel. What was the point of Sovereign in ME1 then? If the AI is so helpless it needed Sovereign to activate the signal, how did it ever manage to overthrow Leviathan and create Harbinger?


What could really boil your noodle is that in the control cinematic we see the citadel arms closing...how can the arms close by themselves? Most ppl state that starkid doesn't have powers beyond raising and lowering the platform shep lands on and controlling the reapers. But if that is true - once shep becomes new shepardlyst how are the arms closing? Did the keepers trigger it? Well the keepers respond to the citadel and the starkid is the citadel...

Mass Effect makes my head hurt sometimes.

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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
~Sigmund Freud

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lex0r11 wrote...

What? This? This.. uhm. Haha. This is.. well. Hunting. Helps me hunting. You all know what my job in here is. It's sanctioned by the IT Council!

Look, there is discussion going on over there.

*makes awkward hand signals to estebanus to not give him away*

...Hunting? What are we hunting? Literalists? I'm in!

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V-rcingetorix wrote...

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
~Sigmund Freud


Or in ME3's endings case:

"sometimes a turd is just a turd"