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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Goodnight IT people. Oh, it's Halo 3's 5th anniversary! It's even on a tuesday again. Kind of like how ME1's 5th anniversary will be on a tuesday again too. How about that?

Over and out.


Yay Halo 3!

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TOP! Yes! At least once a day. Now Estebanus will probably come here even though I have to leave. :(

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Never fails to amaze me that this thread veers off topic so often, yet doesn't suffer any consequences. This leads me to believe its kept untouched for a reason... an obvious one.

Proof of IT!

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That aim bug is painfully irritating. Just took a peek at your manifest ... an Eagle VII. You have my condolences, sir.


LOL. Thanks. It's almost decent now. Almost.

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I'd love the Eagle VII, I'll trade you my Eagle III! I know you love to hate on guns that aren't the best, but I love the Eagle


If by "aren't the best" you mean "suck ass", then yes. I actually have some standards for rares, URs, and N7s. I expect them to be worth using on gold.

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Massa FX wrote...

Never fails to amaze me that this thread veers off topic so often, yet doesn't suffer any consequences. This leads me to believe its kept untouched for a reason... an obvious one.

Proof of IT!


Their actions in this regard certainly suggest that, along with never denying it. Even saying it's "equally as valid" as the literal interpretation.

From what I heard the forums were filled with theories about the ending right after launch, and most of them were promptly locked for being wrong.

Meanwhile we're at over 5500 pages, and roughly 138,000 posts.

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Some people have argued that the cables during the Starchild scene you see lying on the floor are Reaper cables. Actually, according to the game's files, they are actually Geth cables. My first thought was "your mind perceives our world as something familiar". There were other things from the Decision Chamber that were from Rannoch as well as TIM's office and even the solar panels from Mars.

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Something else I was going to mention, which was probably brought up, but there isn't a reflection on the beam when it shines on the floor. It's my understanding that reflections usually move when you look at them instead of just stay still.

For example, if you were standing in front of a shiny panel and moved around a bit, your reflection would move as well. The light from the beam does not move since it looks like it's reflecting off the shiny floor of the Decision Chamber.

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Rifneno wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

That aim bug is painfully irritating. Just took a peek at your manifest ... an Eagle VII. You have my condolences, sir.


LOL. Thanks. It's almost decent now. Almost.

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd love the Eagle VII, I'll trade you my Eagle III! I know you love to hate on guns that aren't the best, but I love the Eagle


If by "aren't the best" you mean "suck ass", then yes. I actually have some standards for rares, URs, and N7s. I expect them to be worth using on gold.


I use the Eagle on gold. I have it by itself in my Paladin. Actually, I just finished a game (silver, as it was with only randoms) and got over 50 kills with it.

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Massa FX wrote...

Never fails to amaze me that this thread veers off topic so often, yet doesn't suffer any consequences. This leads me to believe its kept untouched for a reason... an obvious one.

Proof of IT!



They know we've been busy little bees so they cut us some slack. Plus the way we own trolls on the regular has to make them laugh

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magnetite wrote...

Some people have argued that the cables during the Starchild scene you see lying on the floor are Reaper cables. Actually, according to the game's files, they are actually Geth cables. My first thought was "your mind perceives our world as something familiar". There were other things from the Decision Chamber that were from Rannoch as well as TIM's office and even the solar panels from Mars.

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Something else I was going to mention, which was probably brought up, but there isn't a reflection on the beam when it shines on the floor. It's my understanding that reflections usually move when you look at them instead of just stay still.

For example, if you were standing in front of a shiny panel and moved around a bit, your reflection would move as well. The light from the beam does not move since it looks like it's reflecting off the shiny floor of the Decision Chamber.

I remember it being posted earlier (sorry don't remember by whom) but they had mentioned that most of the endgame assests were reused from the Geth Dreadnought and such...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

If by "aren't the best" you mean "suck ass", then yes. I actually have some standards for rares, URs, and N7s. I expect them to be worth using on gold.


I use the Eagle on gold. I have it by itself in my Paladin. Actually, I just finished a game (silver, as it was with only randoms) and got over 50 kills with it.


I can get 75 kills with a predator on silver.  Doesn't mean the predator's worthy of being a commendation pack reward alongside the valiant, hurricane, and crusader.

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One more story... + ME4 = I.T.?

Ive never gotten over the fact that the game lets us know at the very end that there is "one" more story. They couldnt possibly be refering to multiple DLC's because that is a given "duh". There is also the way in which he says one more story that seems to me to be a little nudge to something.

It would be cool if at the begining of ME4 to have shep waking up in rubble with a breath. However it could be nothing at all.

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Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

If by "aren't the best" you mean "suck ass", then yes. I actually have some standards for rares, URs, and N7s. I expect them to be worth using on gold.


I use the Eagle on gold. I have it by itself in my Paladin. Actually, I just finished a game (silver, as it was with only randoms) and got over 50 kills with it.


I can get 75 kills with a predator on silver.  Doesn't mean the predator's worthy of being a commendation pack reward alongside the valiant, hurricane, and crusader.


I see what you mean with that. I agree it's not something special enough to get in a super special pack every two weeks, but I do think it's perfectly useable in game. As a completionist, it doesn't bother me as much though, because I'll only be happy once I have everything maxed. Except the Collector Rifle, I'll be happy just to have it, unless it gets released in packs later.

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One more story... + ME4 = I.T.?

Ive never gotten over the fact that the game lets us know at the very end that there is "one" more story. They couldnt possibly be refering to multiple DLC's because that is a given "duh". There is also the way in which he says one more story that seems to me to be a little nudge to something.

It would be cool if at the begining of ME4 to have shep waking up in rubble with a breath. However it could be nothing at all.


Prequel before this cycle? No, because you'd all die no matter what, and can't have helped ours in a meaningful way.

Prequel in this cycle? No, you'd only fight the Turians, and you'd have no biotics, and much crappier weapons and tech. And it was a pretty pointless war too.

Sequel without IT? What would be canon?
-Synthesis? Supposedly there's no more conflict.
-Control? What would you do, command the Reapers to kill random people you don't like?
-Refuse (in the next cycle)? What's the point? There would be none of the races, tech, weapons, anything. Nothing would be related to Mass Effect at all. You could make Halo the next cycle, or Lord Of The Rings, that's about how related to Mass Effect it would be.
-Destroy? The most plausible, but who would you fight? The Reapers are all dead. Besides, Destroy is clearly worse than Control/Synthesis without IT, so why would it be canon?

Also, EA will not publish a game that does not have multiplayer, so it would basically kill ME3 MP, not very long after it came out, and way before most people have unlocked most of the stuff.

The only way they could be making another game is if IT is true, and it's actually a huge ME3 expantion, like ME3.5.

Otherwise, another game is not going to happen.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

One more story... + ME4 = I.T.?

Ive never gotten over the fact that the game lets us know at the very end that there is "one" more story. They couldnt possibly be refering to multiple DLC's because that is a given "duh". There is also the way in which he says one more story that seems to me to be a little nudge to something.

It would be cool if at the begining of ME4 to have shep waking up in rubble with a breath. However it could be nothing at all.


Prequel before this cycle? No, because you'd all die no matter what, and can't have helped ours in a meaningful way.

Prequel in this cycle? No, you'd only fight the Turians, and you'd have no biotics, and much crappier weapons and tech. And it was a pretty pointless war too.

Sequel without IT? What would be canon?
-Synthesis? Supposedly there's no more conflict.
-Control? What would you do, command the Reapers to kill random people you don't like?
-Refuse (in the next cycle)? What's the point? There would be none of the races, tech, weapons, anything. Nothing would be related to Mass Effect at all. You could make Halo the next cycle, or Lord Of The Rings, that's about how related to Mass Effect it would be.
-Destroy? The most plausible, but who would you fight? The Reapers are all dead. Besides, Destroy is clearly worse than Control/Synthesis without IT, so why would it be canon?

Also, EA will not publish a game that does not have multiplayer, so it would basically kill ME3 MP, not very long after it came out, and way before most people have unlocked most of the stuff.

The only way they could be making another game is if IT is true, and it's actually a huge ME3 expantion, like ME3.5.

Otherwise, another game is not going to happen.


Ive heard from PC gamers that the destroy ending is red flaged (meaning that it is saved and carries over the the next game/DLC). I dont know for a fact if this is true but many have said it is. Also what is the deal with this "Legacy Save File"(something also found by PC gamers)?

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 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

One more story... + ME4 = I.T.?

Ive never gotten over the fact that the game lets us know at the very end that there is "one" more story. They couldnt possibly be refering to multiple DLC's because that is a given "duh". There is also the way in which he says one more story that seems to me to be a little nudge to something.

It would be cool if at the begining of ME4 to have shep waking up in rubble with a breath. However it could be nothing at all.


Prequel before this cycle? No, because you'd all die no matter what, and can't have helped ours in a meaningful way.

Prequel in this cycle? No, you'd only fight the Turians, and you'd have no biotics, and much crappier weapons and tech. And it was a pretty pointless war too.

Sequel without IT? What would be canon?
-Synthesis? Supposedly there's no more conflict.
-Control? What would you do, command the Reapers to kill random people you don't like?
-Refuse (in the next cycle)? What's the point? There would be none of the races, tech, weapons, anything. Nothing would be related to Mass Effect at all. You could make Halo the next cycle, or Lord Of The Rings, that's about how related to Mass Effect it would be.
-Destroy? The most plausible, but who would you fight? The Reapers are all dead. Besides, Destroy is clearly worse than Control/Synthesis without IT, so why would it be canon?

Also, EA will not publish a game that does not have multiplayer, so it would basically kill ME3 MP, not very long after it came out, and way before most people have unlocked most of the stuff.

The only way they could be making another game is if IT is true, and it's actually a huge ME3 expantion, like ME3.5.

Otherwise, another game is not going to happen.


Well the Leviathans are still around in Destory and probably want to reclaim their former dominance, but their chances of doing that within any reasonable time is very, very low.

I mean we have technology to block the signals coming from their orbs and from the looks of how easy they made that barrier it is not even new technology but merely a new setting for existing shield technology.

Beyond that we know where at least some of the Leviathans are and once shielded a single Dreadnought could bomb the planet until nothing is left...

The Leviathans are practically forced to play nice for quite a while if they want a chance at retaking their dominance.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

KevShep wrote...

One more story... + ME4 = I.T.?

Ive never gotten over the fact that the game lets us know at the very end that there is "one" more story. They couldnt possibly be refering to multiple DLC's because that is a given "duh". There is also the way in which he says one more story that seems to me to be a little nudge to something.

It would be cool if at the begining of ME4 to have shep waking up in rubble with a breath. However it could be nothing at all.


Prequel before this cycle? No, because you'd all die no matter what, and can't have helped ours in a meaningful way.

Prequel in this cycle? No, you'd only fight the Turians, and you'd have no biotics, and much crappier weapons and tech. And it was a pretty pointless war too.

Sequel without IT? What would be canon?
-Synthesis? Supposedly there's no more conflict.
-Control? What would you do, command the Reapers to kill random people you don't like?
-Refuse (in the next cycle)? What's the point? There would be none of the races, tech, weapons, anything. Nothing would be related to Mass Effect at all. You could make Halo the next cycle, or Lord Of The Rings, that's about how related to Mass Effect it would be.
-Destroy? The most plausible, but who would you fight? The Reapers are all dead. Besides, Destroy is clearly worse than Control/Synthesis without IT, so why would it be canon?

Also, EA will not publish a game that does not have multiplayer, so it would basically kill ME3 MP, not very long after it came out, and way before most people have unlocked most of the stuff.

The only way they could be making another game is if IT is true, and it's actually a huge ME3 expantion, like ME3.5.

Otherwise, another game is not going to happen.


Well the Leviathans are still around in Destory and probably want to reclaim their former dominance, but their chances of doing that within any reasonable time is very, very low.

I mean we have technology to block the signals coming from their orbs and from the looks of how easy they made that barrier it is not even new technology but merely a new setting for existing shield technology.

Beyond that we know where at least some of the Leviathans are and once shielded a single Dreadnought could bomb the planet until nothing is left...

The Leviathans are practically forced to play nice for quite a while if they want a chance at retaking their dominance.


And so much time would have to pass that for that that, just like Refuse, we wouldn't recognize almost anything.

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I believe the Leviathans are too weak to reclaim their former glory. If you read between the lines then you can see how fragile their society was, sure they could bend the stars to their will, but only through others. They would have never ascended to such a state without an unknowing galaxy. Now that Shep and Comp. and presumably the Alliance have firsthand reports and accounts on the Leviathans then the post-Destroy galaxy would be prepared for any such usurpation.

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.



I'm proud to say that I went straight to destroy.
Well, after taking my hands from keyboard+mouse and sitting in front of the screen for some minutes. Just sitting there, "WTF" written all over my face. Not that it is the best, it's just the lesser evil of all three..

Also, Hurricane IV in the pack and the victory one was useless as always. There is a reason why I stick to BF3 for multiplayer right now. ME3 needs something new fast.

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lex0r11 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.



I'm proud to say that I went straight to destroy.
Well, after taking my hands from keyboard+mouse and sitting in front of the screen for some minutes. Just sitting there, "WTF" written all over my face.

Also, Hurricane IV in the pack and the victory one was useless as always. There is a reason why I stick to BF3 for multiplayer right now. ME3 needs something new fast.


Yeah, BF3! Posted Image

I got the Valiant VI. I like the Valiant, but I really want the Crusader Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Yeah, BF3! Posted Image

I got the Valiant VI. I like the Valiant, but I really want the Crusader Posted Image


Yes. Lining up headshots with the Crusader is great.

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lex0r11 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.



I'm proud to say that I went straight to destroy.
Well, after taking my hands from keyboard+mouse and sitting in front of the screen for some minutes. Just sitting there, "WTF" written all over my face. Not that it is the best, it's just the lesser evil of all three..

Also, Hurricane IV in the pack and the victory one was useless as always. There is a reason why I stick to BF3 for multiplayer right now. ME3 needs something new fast.


I picked Destroy as well because I had that goal from the begining. There was no way they were going to survive in "OUR" future.
Destroy should have been blue, synthesis in red and control in green.

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KevShep wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.



I'm proud to say that I went straight to destroy.
Well, after taking my hands from keyboard+mouse and sitting in front of the screen for some minutes. Just sitting there, "WTF" written all over my face. Not that it is the best, it's just the lesser evil of all three..

Also, Hurricane IV in the pack and the victory one was useless as always. There is a reason why I stick to BF3 for multiplayer right now. ME3 needs something new fast.


I picked Destroy as well because I had that goal from the begining. There was no way they were going to survive in "OUR" future.
Destroy should have been blue, synthesis in red and control in green.

Well feel proud :D I'm making up for my past mistakes!
I won't blame my ending choice on lack of sleep, sorrow at realizing the end of my Shep, or just sheer confusion- But I will proudly announce that I BELIEVE! :lol:

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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...


I BELIEVE! :lol:


Your not alone.

However Ive been disappointed before so if IT happends in ME4 then I will squeal like a girl but if not then I will have moved on to the next disappointing series from another game comp.

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When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London Shepard asks "Really?" It could be just courtesy but it could also be a hint for the player that something's off with the old man.

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lex0r11 wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 A Legacy Save is a recording of your choices in your first playthrough.
In my case it would be Synthesis :sick:

In essence, if IT were to be revealed true, then Bioware could release statistics on how many people were "indoctrinated", i.e. they chose an ending other than Destroy.



I'm proud to say that I went straight to destroy.
Well, after taking my hands from keyboard+mouse and sitting in front of the screen for some minutes. Just sitting there, "WTF" written all over my face. Not that it is the best, it's just the lesser evil of all three..

Also, Hurricane IV in the pack and the victory one was useless as always. There is a reason why I stick to BF3 for multiplayer right now. ME3 needs something new fast.


Legion was my saving grace in the ending.

Control was out of the question from the start, I had seen it go wrong too many times. But Synthesis was tempting me, luring me with its promise of everyone living in harmony...and i dident want to sacrifice EDI and the Geth.

But then Legion popped up into my head, his explanation of how the Geth were trying to make a future for themselves, on their own terms...I was not going to betray that right to choose your own future, not for the Geth, not for anybody...

It meant a sacrifice one that hurt me deeply, but i felt destroy was the right choice based upon what we knew from the games.