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[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

That makes perfect sense!  You know, the Literalists may call us elitist, intellectual snobs, but frankly (And no offence to the more reasonable Literalists like Epyon), I think we do have the intellectual high ground on a regular basis.  And I'm not trying to be arrogant, I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

Yeah, I agree. I don't care if I sound arrogant anymore, I'm not being arrogant. We have more evidence and collective intelligence than the can imagine. They fumble in ignorance; incapable of understanding.

Seriously though, we are the Geth consensus.

I continue holding my rightful place on top of the page.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 27 septembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@Bill Casey- By "pushing synthesis" I mean using the synthesis we see at the end of ME3 in any way that results in the entire galaxy merging DNA between organics and Synthetics to end the war, so the reapers wouldn't have to harvest them. Synthesis is a reaper way, I have no problem with the Reapers themselves advocating Synthesis, because it just adds to the fact that it is a terrible thing. I'm sorry, I can get carried away with bashing Synthesis because I do not like it.

Liara disagrees with your assessment.

Gotta love foreshadowing

On that note, most of the opening paragraph about Foreshadowing from Wikipedia:

"When it is done in a skillful or "honest" way in a mystery, however, many events which foreshadow the truth also work naturally at the darker significance (so much so, that some viewers were led to see the film twice, in disbelief at how effectively they were misled by character interactions which could be interpreted in different ways)."

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 27 septembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[spotlessvoid]

Davik:

it's 100% totally, completely, undeniably impossible to create something without either knowing what you are making or following the directions of someone who does. Who decided to put the 3 options t there? And if Shepard is interacting with the crucible, what exactly are the Reapers indoctrinating him to do? And if you say the wrong choice then AGAIN..why are there wrong choices even available? And if it's a trap and the Reapers want Shepard to choose, why stop all the previous cycles? Shepard is the right guy because Harbinger can't aim and doesn't know what a double tap is?

[paxxton]

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@Bill Casey- By "pushing synthesis" I mean using the synthesis we see at the end of ME3 in any way that results in the entire galaxy merging DNA between organics and Synthetics to end the war, so the reapers wouldn't have to harvest them. Synthesis is a reaper way, I have no problem with the Reapers themselves advocating Synthesis, because it just adds to the fact that it is a terrible thing. I'm sorry, I can get carried away with bashing Synthesis because I do not like it.

Liara disagrees with your assessment.

Wow, Megumi, I haven't seen you in a while. Welcome. You have to wonder how early they planned the endings generally. I know it would have been fairly fleshed-out before ME3, but still, knowing would be interesting indeed.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

I think it's about how PC games are usually 50 dollars rather than 60 (The regular price of console games).

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

I think it's about how PC games are usually 50 dollars rather than 60 (The regular price of console games).

Well, it is 3 games. Though, I want to know how much DLC it includes, and other things like that.

Edit: I'm quoting properly, but it isn't working. Weird.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:05 .

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

I think it's about how PC games are usually 50 dollars rather than 60 (The regular price of console games).

Exactly. They usually cost even less than that. Like $30 or so.

EDIT: Also, I wanted to brag about my post.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:44 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@Bill Casey- By "pushing synthesis" I mean using the synthesis we see at the end of ME3 in any way that results in the entire galaxy merging DNA between organics and Synthetics to end the war, so the reapers wouldn't have to harvest them. Synthesis is a reaper way, I have no problem with the Reapers themselves advocating Synthesis, because it just adds to the fact that it is a terrible thing. I'm sorry, I can get carried away with bashing Synthesis because I do not like it.

Liara disagrees with your assessment.

Wow, Megumi, I haven't seen you in a while. Welcome. You have to wonder how early they planned the endings generally. I know it would have been fairly fleshed-out before ME3, but still, knowing would be interesting indeed.

Then you missed this (actually no one responded as usual)

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



I really thought this was 'wink-wink-nudge-nudge' from Bioware towards us IT-ers, but someone said it was far-fetched.

In any case, I still think it's hilarious.

Also, it is OBVIOUSLY a Mako there in the background.

I don't know how people can be so in denial by maintaining that the breath scene is on the citadel.

Yeah, IT-ers are totally in denial.

It's not a Mako in the background. The things denoted as wheels in this picture are edged from non circular objects.
Exhibit A - geometry
Exhibit B - geometry
Exhibit C - geometry
You can get a good look at the geometry when you view the video at 2-5 fps.
Also the concrete used there is generic. I could claim it's on Tuchanka because that chunk is present much more often there.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:24 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Liara disagrees with your assessment.

Nice!

[Rob Psyence]

@void

The choices are inside Shepard's mind as a means of indoctrination, the two wrong choices would provide more options, one that seems too good to be true and another that would seem viable and the destroy choice is the part of Shepard's psyche that is fighting. What happens in both the control and synthesis endings? He/she gets disintegrated into a husk-like color and the eyes in both become just like Saren's and TIM's...in other words he/she would become indoctrinated. In Destroy, Shepard's eyes are clear and sure.

Why is Shepard being indoctrinated so important to the ;reapers? Because for one Shepard is an inspiration to the resistance...people give Shepard respect and believe in Shepard. It would be like going for the queen in chess or sniping a general off their horse. Also I believe over the series of all the games, Harbinger becomes obsessed with trying to break Shepard, his/her resistance to indoctrination intrigues and in some ways infuriates Harbinger.

Also, if they indoctrination Shepard, then they could make Shepard shut down or pick whatever option they wanted Shepard to choose.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Haven't catched up the last 10 pages but some random ramblings:

Maybe they'll add a victorious opt out later, but I don't think so. They would have to add a 5th option instead that refuses the 3 choices the Catalyst presents but instead takes another action. The speech is nice, but it's just not followed up by something.
Then we have the end scenes, and save games. I can't reproduce a "Normandy crashed and burned" ending yet, still have to wait for my readyness to go down to 50% (it always shows as 100% when I'm offline), but in Opt Out it's just a fact every squad member is marked as dead. Which they are not in the other endings. Also the Shepard alive or dead question: the only hint of Shepard really dieing is when no one is coming out of the Normandy (as the door is still opening I still assume they are alive, I don't even know if the Normandy repair scene that is introduced by the EC happens with that low EMS or only at medium). The audio track is called "...epilogue_shepdead" but the others don't mention Shepard at all, it's either called "...epilogue_end_a" or "_epilogue_edi". This means on low Shep is dead, high Destroy Shep is alive, and for the others it's uncertain.

Then for the Harvesters. I always found their name interesting. Harvester. Or another word for it: Collector. I was already thinking about them as maybe another experiment the Reapers did, we know they were still researching and experimenting on Collectors by the time of ME2, and the Collector General looks vastly different compared to the troops. The Harvester looks still half insectoid (the body is actually even similar to the Collector General's), half worm. They were also referred to as "worm-necks". Then someone wrote about the deleted codex entry of ME1 and I found:

[...] The origin of these creatures is a mystery, though recently they have begun to appear unexpectedly on multiple uncharted worlds in the Attican Traverse.
[...] Others point out that the bizarre morphology of harvesters runs counter to known laws of adaptive evolution. Their forward-loaded body and undersized wings suggest they were a product of illegal genetic engineering.
[...]

Also FFZero reminded me of Javiks small line that Maws were much smaller in his cycle... and we also have EDI referring to Kalros as "worm" (combined with "worm-neck" it maybe could be seen as a hint?). So we have modified insects (Protheans/Collectors) and worms that are much bigger as in the last cycle, and some sort of unnatural insect/worm hybrid. My guess is the Reapers were pretty busy lately.

I think we can reasonably assume Harvesters are collector experiments, since they dabble in genetic engineering. I'm also wondering why they need to make those saves at all, other than to show people what happened if they look into the files. If people need to do that, the endings were too vague. Why did they tell us to hold onto our saves? I have to go now, but feel free to respond.

[Rob Psyence]

*indoctrinated...stupid edit wouldn't work.

[Rob Psyence]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

I think it's about how PC games are usually 50 dollars rather than 60 (The regular price of console games).

Exactly. They usually cost even less than that. Like $30 or so.

But if it's three games in a pack then that means each game seperately would be just 20 dollars...

[Dwailing]

Well, I'm off. I'll see at least SOME of you later.

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
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I think we can reasonably assume Harvesters are collector experiments, since they dabble in genetic engineering. I'm also wondering why they need to make those saves at all, other than to show people what happened if they look into the files. If people need to do that, the endings were too vague. Why did they tell us to hold onto our saves? I have to go now, but feel free to respond.

Actually you can only see these if you either pause or exit the game before you proceed on the ending message pad as this overwrites the autosave with the legend save, and the autosave is created right after your choice.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Then you missed this (actually no one responded as usual)

What? We were talking about this a few pages after, I believe, and Banshee and I talked about the Harvesters, though not on here.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Then you missed this (actually no one responded as usual)

What? We were talking about this a few pages after, I believe, and Banshee and I talked about the Harvesters, though not on here.

Actually you talked about that a few pages before that post. But the connection to the Collectors was never made, also the connection to the maws. Btw compare the ridges (dunno if it's the right word) here and here, also the stuff on the sides of the mouth, modified but still similar.

And you can't really say "I did respond! I talked about that with another someone, just not here" that is not responding.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[paxxton]

Rob Psyence wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shameless repost.

paxxton wrote...

Starchild: Did that all really make sense?
Stargazer: Yes, but it was totally messed up. It all happened before BSN exploded with vitriol.
Starchild: When can I understand it?
Stargazer: One day, my sweet.
Starchild: What will I have to pay for it?
Stargazer: Everything you can spare. The Trilogy has 3 games and every game has a special price of its own.
Starchild: Noooo!!!

$59.99 for the PC version. Outrageous.

Same price as the other 2. What are you trying to say?

I think it's about how PC games are usually 50 dollars rather than 60 (The regular price of console games).

Exactly. They usually cost even less than that. Like $30 or so.

But if it's three games in a pack then that means each game seperately would be just 20 dollars...

Ok, ME1 could go for $6. ME2 for $9. They are awesome games but they are still old ones. + about $24 for ME3 (or even less, like $18, because the market is oversaturated already). That gives $33. If DLC is included for all games, add about $15 for a total of $48.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

Ok, ME1 could go for $6. ME2 for $9. They are awesome games but they are still old ones. + about $24 for ME3 (or even less, like $18, because the market is oversaturated already). That gives $33. If DLC is included for all games, add about $15 for a total of $48.

DLC for all 3 games is much more as they don't go down in pricing.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ok, ME1 could go for $6. ME2 for $9. They are awesome games but they are still old ones. + about $24 for ME3 (or even less, like $18, because the market is oversaturated already). That gives $33. If DLC is included for all games, add about $15 for a total of $48.

DLC for all 3 games is much more as they don't go down in pricing.

They should then...

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Then you missed this (actually no one responded as usual)

What? We were talking about this a few pages after, I believe, and Banshee and I talked about the Harvesters, though not on here.

Actually you talked about that a few pages before that post. But the connection to the Collectors was never made, also the connection to the maws. Btw compare the ridges (dunno if it's the right word) here and here, also the stuff on the sides of the mouth, modified but still similar.

And you can't really say "I did respond! I talked about that with another someone, just not here" that is not responding.

Oh, sorry then, I just remember talking about it and assumed it was because of this, since I did see it. Come to think of it, I think it was quite a few pages back by the time I saw it. I was just trying to make you not feel ignored

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 27 septembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[spotlessvoid]

Rob Psyence wrote...

@void

The choices are inside Shepard's mind as a means of indoctrination, the two wrong choices would provide more options, one that seems too good to be true and another that would seem viable and the destroy choice is the part of Shepard's psyche that is fighting. What happens in both the control and synthesis endings? He/she gets disintegrated into a husk-like color and the eyes in both become just like Saren's and TIM's...in other words he/she would become indoctrinated. In Destroy, Shepard's eyes are clear and sure.

Why is Shepard being indoctrinated so important to the ;reapers? Because for one Shepard is an inspiration to the resistance...people give Shepard respect and believe in Shepard. It would be like going for the queen in chess or sniping a general off their horse. Also I believe over the series of all the games, Harbinger becomes obsessed with trying to break Shepard, his/her resistance to indoctrination intrigues and in some ways infuriates Harbinger.

Also, if they indoctrination Shepard, then they could make Shepard shut down or pick whatever option they wanted Shepard to choose.

ls that what IT suggests, really? That's what this thread is about? Six months here and I had no.idea you people were so crazy.

[Rob Psyence]

I don't know where you buy games but usually old games are around 20 bucks in most places...ME1 is debatable but me2 is about there and me3 would be at least 40 still...