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[MegumiAzusa]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Harvesters were first described in The Art of Mass Effect. They were intended to be in the original game as an enemy that could only be killed in the Mako; however, they were excluded due to time and budget constraints. They were later added in Mass Effect 2, but cannot be killed.
Cut animations in the Mass Effect 2 game files show that the Harvesters were intended to be fought on the ground and actually killed.

From the Wiki, which mentions no bioengineering.

About Reapers using them:
During the Reaper invasion of the galaxy, numerous harvesters were corrupted and utilized by the Reapers as airborne troop transports.

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Harvester

Cut Codex entry from ME1 (as they were not present in ME1)

Harvesters are gigantic insects, easily distinguished by their long necks and incredible size. The origin of these creatures is a mystery, though recently they have begun to appear unexpectedly on multiple uncharted worlds in the Attican Traverse.

Some have suggested they have been in hibernation, and like locusts have emerged after a long period of inactivity. Others point out that the bizarre morphology of harvesters runs counter to known laws of adaptive evolution. Their forward-loaded body and undersized wings suggest they were a product of illegal genetic engineering.

Regardless of their origin, harvesters are fast, efficient killers. They attack anything that enters their territory with toxic venom and razor-sharp claws. Despite their ungainly appearance, their exoskeletons can only be penetrated by heavy weapons. Attacking them while in a vehicle is dangerous, attacking them on foot is suicidal.

Still in the game files.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

For people who were asking earlier what, if any, DLC are included in the Mass Effect Trilogy Pack:

On PC, Mass Effect will include Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station on disk. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included which features Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission. For Mass Effect 3, Online Pass will be included granting players access to co-op multiplayer.

On Xbox 360, Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station are not included with Mass Effect, however they are available as stand-alone downloads through Xbox LIVE. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included and Online Pass will be included for Mass Effect 3.

Source: http://masseffect.com/about/trilogy/ 

Haha Lame!
Good thing I already have all those DLC's except the pre-order stuff for ME2

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Harvesters were first described in The Art of Mass Effect. They were intended to be in the original game as an enemy that could only be killed in the Mako; however, they were excluded due to time and budget constraints. They were later added in Mass Effect 2, but cannot be killed.
Cut animations in the Mass Effect 2 game files show that the Harvesters were intended to be fought on the ground and actually killed.

From the Wiki, which mentions no bioengineering.

About Reapers using them:
During the Reaper invasion of the galaxy, numerous harvesters were corrupted and utilized by the Reapers as airborne troop transports.

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Harvester

Cut Codex entry from ME1 (as they were not present in ME1)

Harvesters are gigantic insects, easily distinguished by their long necks and incredible size. The origin of these creatures is a mystery, though recently they have begun to appear unexpectedly on multiple uncharted worlds in the Attican Traverse.

Some have suggested they have been in hibernation, and like locusts have emerged after a long period of inactivity. Others point out that the bizarre morphology of harvesters runs counter to known laws of adaptive evolution. Their forward-loaded body and undersized wings suggest they were a product of illegal genetic engineering.

Regardless of their origin, harvesters are fast, efficient killers. They attack anything that enters their territory with toxic venom and razor-sharp claws. Despite their ungainly appearance, their exoskeletons can only be penetrated by heavy weapons. Attacking them while in a vehicle is dangerous, attacking them on foot is suicidal.

Still in the game files.

Seeing as how it was cut then I can think we can consider this null. The Harvesters work in combination with Klixen in Mass Effect 2, a natural creature. You don't see Geth carrying around Varren with them. 

I believe Bioware had such intentions in Mass Effect but they changed what they wanted to better fit into the storyline. Besides Harvesters seem perfectly natural in the Tuchanka enviroment and that one uncharted world with chlorine gas in ME2.

But can you tell me what game the files are still found in? Because there a lot of unused Codex entries in Mass Effect.

[MegumiAzusa]

Woot the "new" council is much more open to the Crucible, they still deny help but are way less self absorbed. Hint to slow indoctrination of the political leaders going on? That can very well be why the Reapers use a quite different tactic this time.

[Big_Boss9]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

For people who were asking earlier what, if any, DLC are included in the Mass Effect Trilogy Pack:

On PC, Mass Effect will include Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station on disk. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included which features Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission. For Mass Effect 3, Online Pass will be included granting players access to co-op multiplayer.

On Xbox 360, Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station are not included with Mass Effect, however they are available as stand-alone downloads through Xbox LIVE. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included and Online Pass will be included for Mass Effect 3.

Source: http://masseffect.com/about/trilogy/ 

Haha Lame!
Good thing I already have all those DLC's except the pre-order stuff for ME2

Agreed. Not a worthwhile purchase.

[401 Kill]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

For people who were asking earlier what, if any, DLC are included in the Mass Effect Trilogy Pack:

On PC, Mass Effect will include Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station on disk. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included which features Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission. For Mass Effect 3, Online Pass will be included granting players access to co-op multiplayer.

On Xbox 360, Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station are not included with Mass Effect, however they are available as stand-alone downloads through Xbox LIVE. For Mass Effect 2, Cerberus Network will be included and Online Pass will be included for Mass Effect 3.

Source: http://masseffect.com/about/trilogy/ 

Really? No DLC for the 360? Well, I just went from buying it to not buying it. It's just not worth it if you have the games already.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Again it's EA trying to rope in new players before they abandon the series. God dam*** leeches.

Or Bioware trying to get people to play through a new urm playthrough before their last DLC release. God dam*** geniuses.

[401 Kill]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Again it's EA trying to rope in new players before they abandon the series. God dam*** leeches.

Or Bioware trying to get people to play through a new urm playthrough before their last DLC release. God dam*** geniuses.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but it sounds like it is just the same 3 games just packaged together with nothing special (no DLC's included, not even EC?????). They are just repackaging the games, this sounds like a push by EA. Really? Not even the free DLC's for 360?

[Big_Boss9]

401 Kill wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

Again it's EA trying to rope in new players before they abandon the series. God dam*** leeches.

Or Bioware trying to get people to play through a new urm playthrough before their last DLC release. God dam*** geniuses.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but it sounds like it is just the same 3 games just packaged together with nothing special (no DLC's included, not even EC?????). They are just repackaging the games, this sounds like a push by EA. Really? Not even the free DLC's for 360?

Zaeed – The Price of Revenge, The Firewalker Pack, Cerberus Assault Gear, Arc Projector heavy weapon, and Normandy Crash site mission will still come with the 360 version, since they are included with Cerberus Network. But that's nothing special since you get that purchasing a new individual copy of ME2 anyway. The only bonus is the two ME1 DLCs (unless new copies of ME1 include that now? I'm not entirely sure) for PC only.

Edit: Caught it, thanks.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

All in all it makes me really sad... I'm going back to play KotOR for a bit.

[401 Kill]

You only get the two ME1 DLC's with the P.C version. They are "stand alone" purchases that you have to make in order to play them for the 360.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

401 Kill wrote...

You only get the two ME1 DLC's with the P.C version. They are "stand alone" purchases that you have to make in order to play them for the 360.

ME1's Bring Down the Sky has been free for PC for awhile now, the public unlock code they released has expired but you can still get it through  contacting EA support I believe. Pinnacle Station still cost money so far as I know.

[D.Sharrah]

Reading through the last couple of pages...saw the post about the Avian species that was in the bronze age, that go bombarded...any idea on how ancient? The reason I ask, is that Protheans were a very empirical species and Javik does say that some tried to rebel but failed. I know the instinct is to link all the destruction in the galaxy to the Reaper's (and who know maybe they did instigate this in the very least), but the Protheans are just as likely to use orbital bombardment to defeat their enemies (for that matter so are the Turians and Krogans (who tried doing this with asteroids for crying out loud)).

[Rifneno]

Oh God. Pinnacle Station. The only thing nearly as boring as Kaiden.

[401 Kill]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh God. Pinnacle Station. The only thing nearly as boring as Kaiden.

I don't know what you did to me, but ever since you posted that link about that guy raging on the geth in MP, I CANNOT fight them. They are impossible! I should have just stayed away from that thread...and Kaiden is still much better than Ashley. 

Modifié par 401 Kill, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[401 Kill]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Reading through the last couple of pages...saw the post about the Avian species that was in the bronze age, that go bombarded...any idea on how ancient? The reason I ask, is that Protheans were a very empirical species and Javik does say that some tried to rebel but failed. I know the instinct is to link all the destruction in the galaxy to the Reaper's (and who know maybe they did instigate this in the very least), but the Protheans are just as likely to use orbital bombardment to defeat their enemies (for that matter so are the Turians and Krogans (who tried doing this with asteroids for crying out loud)).

True, the Protheans could have possibly done this. But why would they destroy primatives? They didn't destroy the Asari, humans, Quarians, Hanar etc. They even protected the Asari. These species would then be given a choice to join the empire one space worthy ( This is only my opinion regaurding the last sentance).

[demersel]

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

[Rifneno]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh God. Pinnacle Station. The only thing nearly as boring as Kaiden.

I don't know what you did to me, but ever since you posted that link about that guy raging on the geth in MP, I CANNOT fight them. They are impossible! I should have just stayed away from that thread...and Kaiden is still much better than Ashley. 

1. Welcome to my world.
2. E-coli is better than Ashley.

[Davik Kang]

BleedingUranium wrote...
See, you're attempting to fit IT and the game ending all into one. Don't.

If IT is true, there is no ending as of now.

No that's not really what I'm trying to do.  I'm simply trying to understand the ending as I saw it.  I'm not trying to fit IT with anything because I'd never heard of IT when I played the game.  I got presented with StarChild, thought about what he was saying for a while, figured he could be an imaginary figure personifying an attempt at Reaper indoctrination, and chose to Destroy the Reapers.  I'm kind of stunned that IT is called a theory because, even if you didn't see it the first time, it's pretty clear that Bioware had in mind that you ahd to decide if you are being indoctrinated or not.  Those who think Indoctrination was invented by the fans as a retrospective attempt to make sense of the ending... I just don't know what to say.  Bioware had too much respect for a number of their fans it seems.

spotlessvoid wrote...
Davik:

it's 100% totally, completely, undeniably impossible to create something without either knowing what you are making or following the directions of someone who does. Who decided to put the 3 options t there? And if Shepard is interacting with the crucible, what exactly are the Reapers indoctrinating him to do? And if you say the wrong choice then AGAIN..why are there wrong choices even available? And if it's a trap and the Reapers want Shepard to choose, why stop all the previous cycles? Shepard is the right guy because Harbinger can't aim and doesn't know what a double tap is?

Sorry dude, your point went totally over my head.  Not being facetious, I genuinely don't get what your saying.

ivenoidea wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...
I doubt we would have had a third of the debate we're currently having if Bioware had made it an actual gameplay element. 

There would be no debate, no disscussion, no speculation.

Bioware succeeded in what they wanted to do.

And it went right over a lot of people's heads.

 

Thank you.  This whole ending fiasco couldn't have been summed up better.

zioninzion wrote...

Im with you. Especially when he asks Hackett why me and Hackett says because you can pay a man to charge a hill or shoot an enemy but you can't pay him to believe. Shepard in a way is the catalyst to bringing the galaxy together to defeat the reapers but the whole game is full of warnings saying "SHEPARD IS JUST ONE MAN".

Yeah.  Shepard is a lot like the protagonists in KOTOR and especially KOTOR II, who's uniqueness comes not in the force powers or personality you choose for them, but from their ability to make strong connections with other people to follow them.  I.e. these Bioware stories were all about inspirational leaders.

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

It would definitely be more interesting if they included DLC's that help the IT. Overlord and Arrival. Is that why HellishFiend says multiplayer is a simulator? Because of Pinnacle Station? I guess we'll see the details tomorrow when CW Ep. 2 comes out Friday.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

No.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

After the ME3 Demo came out and showcased Multiplayer I always likened it to the Pinnacle Station simulator (which I boought when it came out way back when), but the Operations and feedback from Bioware and in-game just seems to make it real not simulated. Greatest war to ever hit the galaxy? Spent it in the sim....

@401 Kill Haha I saw that same rant about the buffed up Geth and decided to play some MP, made it to Wave 2 on Platinum, completed 1 game of Gold against Geth and wiped on Wave 10 agaisnt more Gold Geth. What he says is true Prime cannons and Rockets are crazy accurate and Pyros can roll!!

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

It would definitely be more interesting if they included DLC's that help the IT. Overlord and Arrival. Is that why HellishFiend says multiplayer is a simulator? Because of Pinnacle Station? I guess we'll see the details tomorrow we CW Ep. 2 comes out Friday.

I don't know why exactly Hellish says that MP is a simulator.  I don't know his reasoning.
I say that MP is a simulator cause it feels so for me.  + there was pinnacle station. (which was exactly this but in SP) + MP only affects SP when you promote.  - It makes to much sense for it to be a simulator. 

Overlord, Arrival, Kasumi, Lair of the Shadow Broker - they are really to much value to included for free. Best quality content.

With ME trilogy pack you're already getting the three games for the price of one.  

Besides - they give firewalker for free - and it is VERY relevant to IT. (it has a climate control divice that looks like a beam of light into the skies for starters... + plus you get a mysterious artifact, and the whole team looking for it was indoctrinated.)  

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

No.

Yes.

[Big_Boss9]

demersel wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

So they repack the three games, just adding Bring down the skies (which is free anyway), and Pinnacle Station (which is NOT free, and almost nobody played it, and paid attention to it)..... Intersting, considering that ME3 multiplayer is a Pinnacle station-like simulator (if not exactly pinnacle station itself)...

It would definitely be more interesting if they included DLC's that help the IT. Overlord and Arrival. Is that why HellishFiend says multiplayer is a simulator? Because of Pinnacle Station? I guess we'll see the details tomorrow we CW Ep. 2 comes out Friday.

I don't know why exactly Hellish says that MP is a simulator.  I don't know his reasoning.
I say that MP is a simulator cause it feels so for me.  + there was pinnacle station. (which was exactly this but in SP) + MP only affects SP when you promote.  - It makes to much sense for it to be a simulator. 

Overlord, Arrival, Kasumi, Lair of the Shadow Broker - they are really to much value to included for free. Best quality content.

With ME trilogy pack you're already getting the three games for the price of one.  

Besides - they give firewalker for free - and it is VERY relevant to IT. (it has a climate control divice that looks like a beam of light into the skies for starters... + plus you get a mysterious artifact, and the whole team looking for it was indoctrinated.)  

Except you can currently purchase all three games individually on sites like Amazon for LESS than $60 total. And Firewalker is included with ME2 as it is.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .