Big_Boss9 wrote...
It was sarcasm, given their ineptitude and general cluelessness on how to maintain a healthy and active multiplayer community. But please, take pride in the comparison if you wish.
NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
C'mon guys it is OK. No hate, much love!
I'm one of those lucky ones. I think maybe it is because our NFL refs are back, too.
Davik Kang wrote...
Anyway, I hope some of you can give your thoughts on exactly how you see the reality of the ending, and where your interpretations differ from mine.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
My theory is as follows:
In the first part after the beam run (when Shep is on the Citadel up to and including TIM/Anderson conversation), it is a dream. Everything we see is made entirely from Shepard's memories, which is why we see many reused assets and places that are reminiscent of places Shepard has visited.
Also, in dreams, time goes much slower than in reality, which is why that Reaperish sound effect that you hear in the TIM confrontation is actually a Reaper horn when you play it at double speed. (Check my signature) It is actually Harbinger that you hear in the background, while you're unconscious.
The second part, when Shep reaches the decision chamber and the child says "Wake up", is when Shep comes to, still in London. (S)he's still looking at the beam, only his/her perception is being altered. This is why the decision chamber looks so much like the London beam surroundings.
When Shep picks destroy, (s)he starts shooting at something in London. The explosion causes him/her to be thrown back and be covered in debris, hence why (s)he ends up in the rubble in the breath scene.
Whether Shep still needs to fnish the Reapers, or (s)he just hit a critical part of the beam conduit, which caused it to overload and send a huge discharge towards the citadel that ends up setting off the Crucible (which is simply a huge synthetics-killing device), remains a question.
In this (admittedly, a little weak) scenario, everything plays out exactly as in the destroy ending, and it is Anderson who went up to the Citadel to open the arms and let the Crucible dock. Because Hackett says "Holy ****, (s)he did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." Why Anderson? Because his name is on the memorial in the destroy ending, and because it would mirror what happens in the dream.
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .
Agreed.Rifneno wrote...
We're 6 months after release. Most of the players have long since left for new games because of repetitive gameplay, terrible unlock system, and no bug fixes. But yeah, they're totally going to completely revitalize MP by adding tons of new enemies and modes and all that. The fact that they haven't fixed the vanguard bug, SMG ULM bug, ect. after half a year isn't because they don't give a ****, they just want to make it seem that way when they surprise us with a massive redesign that no one is paying for.
Seems legit.
Team Fortress 2 is still pretty much constantly in the top 3 most-played games on steam. Certainly it has a lot more active players than ME3 MP.demersel wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
We're 6 months after release. Most of the players have long since left for new games because of repetitive gameplay, terrible unlock system, and no bug fixes. But yeah, they're totally going to completely revitalize MP by adding tons of new enemies and modes and all that. The fact that they haven't fixed the vanguard bug, SMG ULM bug, ect. after half a year isn't because they don't give a ****, they just want to make it seem that way when they surprise us with a massive redesign that no one is paying for.
Seems legit.
TeamFortress2 dev team really took a lot of clues from you clearly. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
Anyway, I hope some of you can give your thoughts on exactly how you see the reality of the ending, and where your interpretations differ from mine.
I posted this yesterday in response to you, maybe you missed it:DoomsdayDevice wrote...
My theory is as follows:
In
the first part after the beam run (when Shep is on the Citadel up to
and including TIM/Anderson conversation), it is a dream. Everything we
see is made entirely from Shepard's memories, which is why we see many
reused assets and places that are reminiscent of places Shepard has
visited.
Also, in dreams, time goes much slower than in reality,
which is why that Reaperish sound effect that you hear in the
TIM confrontation is actually a Reaper horn when you play it at double
speed. (Check my signature) It is actually Harbinger that you hear in the background, while you're unconscious.
The
second part, when Shep reaches the decision chamber and the child says
"Wake up", is when Shep comes to, still in London. (S)he's still
looking at the beam, only his/her perception is being altered. This is
why the decision chamber looks so much like the London beam
surroundings.
When
Shep picks destroy, (s)he starts shooting at something in London. The
explosion causes him/her to be thrown back and be covered in debris,
hence why (s)he ends up in the rubble in the breath scene.
Whether
Shep still needs to fnish the Reapers, or (s)he just hit a critical
part of the beam conduit, which caused it to overload and send a huge
discharge towards the citadel that ends up setting off the Crucible
(which is simply a huge synthetics-killing device), remains a question.
In
this (admittedly, a little weak) scenario, everything plays out exactly
as in the destroy ending, and it is Anderson who went up to the Citadel
to open the arms and let the Crucible dock. Because Hackett says "Holy
****, (s)he did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." Why
Anderson? Because his name is on the memorial in the destroy ending, and
because it would mirror what happens in the dream.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
Anyway, I hope some of you can give your thoughts on exactly how you see the reality of the ending, and where your interpretations differ from mine.
I posted this yesterday in response to you, maybe you missed it:DoomsdayDevice wrote...
My theory is as follows:
In the first part after the beam run (when Shep is on the Citadel up to and including TIM/Anderson conversation), it is a dream. Everything we see is made entirely from Shepard's memories, which is why we see many reused assets and places that are reminiscent of places Shepard has visited.
Also, in dreams, time goes much slower than in reality, which is why that Reaperish sound effect that you hear in the TIM confrontation is actually a Reaper horn when you play it at double speed. (Check my signature) It is actually Harbinger that you hear in the background, while you're unconscious.
The second part, when Shep reaches the decision chamber and the child says "Wake up", is when Shep comes to, still in London. (S)he's still looking at the beam, only his/her perception is being altered. This is why the decision chamber looks so much like the London beam surroundings.
When Shep picks destroy, (s)he starts shooting at something in London. The explosion causes him/her to be thrown back and be covered in debris, hence why (s)he ends up in the rubble in the breath scene.
Whether Shep still needs to fnish the Reapers, or (s)he just hit a critical part of the beam conduit, which caused it to overload and send a huge discharge towards the citadel that ends up setting off the Crucible (which is simply a huge synthetics-killing device), remains a question.
In this (admittedly, a little weak) scenario, everything plays out exactly as in the destroy ending, and it is Anderson who went up to the Citadel to open the arms and let the Crucible dock. Because Hackett says "Holy ****, (s)he did it. Someone made it to the Citadel." Why Anderson? Because his name is on the memorial in the destroy ending, and because it would mirror what happens in the dream.
There is that. Now we can go back to complaining about the regular refs blowing calls.NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
So no hugs honey badger?
I'm just in a good mood, work does that to me
Ah yeah I did see you posted that for me above too, thanks. I didn't acknowledge before401 Kill wrote...
You should also check out the WNT (Waking Nightmare Theory)
but I did see it! I'll have a look to see if I can get this stuff looked at on a WNT thread instead.
Davik Kang wrote...
Ah yeah sorry, I did see this yesterday, in fact your post was what prompted me to explain my more literal interpretation above. Sorry I didn't reply directly, I forgot exactly where I'd seen your post when I logged in today.
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:32 .
NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
See demersel that does not look updated to me at all, they are all promo pics, I will post some comparison pics in a minute
I see no graphical diffrence between the three.demersel wrote...
Here's some screenshots -
*snip*
Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:32 .
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .
Big_Boss9 wrote...
There is that. Now we can go back to complaining about the regular refs blowing calls.NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
So no hugs honey badger?
I'm just in a good mood, work does that to me
Haha right! <_<
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Demersel, you do realize they can just port a game to PS3, right? No need to rebuild the engine.
You really think they're giving the PS3 version the new engine, and ignore the other platforms? No chance in hell, IMO.
NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
Unrepresentative as the scene itself has completely different lighting settings and the scene itself is quite dull.demersel wrote...
compare with these:
http://www.bioware.c..._02_745x440.jpg
Beta screenshot and unrepresentative, on this screen it nearly looks like they went for outlines as everything has a stark contrast.demersel wrote...
http://www.bioware.c..._30_745x440.jpg
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
Ah yeah sorry, I did see this yesterday, in fact your post was what prompted me to explain my more literal interpretation above. Sorry I didn't reply directly, I forgot exactly where I'd seen your post when I logged in today.
It's funny... when I just finished the game, my theory was almost the same as yours. I thought it was just the child that was in your head. But the breath scene has concrete rubble and what really looks like a Mako in it:
Aside from that, we can hear wind. It's clearly London, IMO, and I just can't rhyme it with Shep actually being on the citadel.
So yeah, I'm a big fan of the idea that Shep is walking around in London but seeing different things.
Modifié par Davik Kang, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .
Davik Kang wrote...
I've read some more about various people's interpretation of the ending so I wanted to give my own so far...
Btw let me make it clear from the beginning that I think Indoctrination is blatantly intended as a possible explanation of the final scenes, even if you decide in the end that you aren't indoctrinated or are above indoctrination, and choose Synthesis or Control anyway.
I think that a lot of the events after the Harbinger blast are actually real. There seem to be too many problems if you consider the whole thing to be a hallucination. In particular, that you could then interpret that Shepard is still unconscious and the battle is still going on after the ending, which a really don't think is meant to be the case.
Davik Kang wrote...
So, I think that, semi-consciously, Shepard does indeed struggle past some ground into the beam, and does find herself (/himself) on some obscure part of the Citadel. I also think that, implausible as it may seem, Anderson and TIM find themselves on the vessel too. Shepard's appalling physical (and possibly mental) condition contributes to the dream-like quality of the occurrences here. The fact that TIM can manipulate Shepard on the Citadel into shooting Anderson, amongst other things, is rather eyebrow-raising, but I think that basically, these implausible elements contribute to a more epic finale. Implausible yes, but not totally ridiculous.
Davik Kang wrote...
Thus the final conversation with Anderson is genuine, which it does appear to be.
Davik Kang wrote...
Then, as Shepard realises she is bleeding severely, and the Alliance radios in asking her to do something to make the crucible work, she struggles forward, but collapses with the controls just out of reach.
I think the true hallucination and indoctrination attempt start here, with previous suspicious imagery being a result of Shepard's weakened condition and semi-conscious state.
Davik Kang wrote...
As for the next scene, I think that, just as Vigil made himself understood to the ME1 characters on Ilos, I think that the Crucible has been designed such that it can be understood by a sentient being, so that it can be manipulated and activated at the right time. Here, Shepard is guided to this understanding, but simultaneously confronted by the Catalyst, on awaking. I think the Catalyst, appearing as a ghost AI of the boy plaguing her dreams, is a reaper intelligence on board the Citadel, itself being some kind of dormant Reaper. Thus, in her drained and hallucinatory state, Shepard sees this image of the Catalyst explaining the possible solutions to its galactic problem, while simultaneously coming to understand how to operate the Crucible. I think that the perception of the Catalyst actually presenting these choices is a fallacy, and a desperate last-ditch attempt by the Reapers/Catalyst to indoctrinate Shepard into believing that Control or Synthesis are better options. But he cannot avoid Shepard understanding each of the choices and how to do them, because these choices are becoming understood simply because the sentient being (Shepard) made it to the controls (before passing out and then awaking, in the hallucinatory state).
Davik Kang wrote...
Main problem with this theory is how Shepard appears to be back on Earth after surviving, and all I can say is, we're still speculating as to exactly where Shepard wakes up. But it certainly seems peaceful, and not in the middle of a heated battle.
Anyway, I hope some of you can give your thoughts on exactly how you see the reality of the ending, and where your interpretations differ from mine.
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