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[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Night Megumi haha during my last ME playthrough I fell asleep while talking to Vigil

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...
The indoctrination doesn't have to play out in real time. Just like dreams can seem long but occur in seconds. In fact Doomsday found a slowed down reaper horn during TIM scene. So the battle isn't necessarily raging in the background.

TIM is indoctrinated. It's a little more than eyebrow raising. All you're doing is calling it mostly bad writing in the name of coolness factor.

How does Anderson get on the citadel again? Why didn't he help Shepard? How is TIM controlling Anderson? Hand waving to be epic by Bioware? That's bad writing theory

If that scene is real Shepard is passed out. How is he going to activate anything?

That doesn't make sense on so many levels I don't know if I have the energy to explain it. In your scenario the Reapers don't want the crucible firing - just for starters:

Why is Harbinger turned into a total retard that...
1. Doesn't turn off the beam
2. Defends the beam by himself
3. Misses Shepard after bullseyeing everyone
4. Doesn't make sure he's dead
5. Leaves
6. Doesn't defend the beam against Anderson


You're point about starchild trying to trick Shepard into the wrong choice:

If it's a hallucination/indoctrination...
1. Shepard understands the controls even though he is hallucinating and passed out before reaching them?
2. That makes starchild pointless and powerless


I can't take it anymore. Your version makes no sense. It bounces between IT, literal, bad writing, space magic, hand waving, and things you invented

I'm sorry but there's just too much wrong here to explain it all.

But you basically ascribe more power to TIM then the Reapers.

You hand wave all the plot holes away during the beam run, about the crucibles design and options, the TIM scene, the available.decisions...that's saying it's only 95% bad writing.

Oh well  I am sad that you are so unimpressed with my suggestions!  But thanks for the feedback anyway.  I don't agree with everything you've said, but it's really late and I don't want to make a massive personal argument on this thread, so I'll do my best to address as much as I can in a short spell...

- Don't see why the timescale of the dream matters regarding what I've suggested

- Again  not sure what TIM's indoctrination has to do with the point... I guess you could otherwise call it bad writing, I'm just saying they sacrificed a little realism for a more shocking, 'demonic' kind of ending

- I guess Anderson could have made it to the beam, I already admitted this did seem both resences seemed unlikely.  And Anderson can't help Shepard, he is threatened and then dies before the final scene.

- What I meant was, Shep passes out but then comes to, only when she does "wake up", the hallucinations are much much stronger.  The elevator is like a metaphor maybe for her mental state ascending to the point of understanding the Crucible on waking, but also being subjected to the indoctrination.  In short, I think she/he's awake

- Sorry for draining your mental energy, that wan't the intention, I respect what you're saying and do want to understand all this better.  About the Reaper firing, I assume Harbinger was just aiding in wiping out the frontal assault on the Citadel beam.  I don't think it would want to turn the beam off because a fresh batch of dead humans are right there to be beamed.  I think it'd assumed Shepard was dead, and even if not, that there was little threat from a few ground troops boarding the citadel, as opposed to a whole army (perhaps not realising that the true goal was to reach the Catalyst).

Anyway yeah, it's a shame that what I said comes across as a lazy hand wave, I tried my best to keep speculation out of it as much as possible and just relate what I thought while playing.  There's no need for you to explain everything if you think what I said is dumb.  Anyway I'll see if any of the WNT people have any similar thoughts if I can find a thread for that.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

<3 Love you guys, IT, WNT, PZ

Been reading through the Control and Synthesis support threads... 

I can't tell if I want to cry, vomit, or go buy more alcohol  

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Davik Kang, before you go (I do hope you will visit in the future, or atleast stay with us) I want yiou to know that I love your username

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

 

 Huhhuh? Sense a connection?
Man everyone really tucked in early tonight

[spotlessvoid]

Clearly I came off pretty harsh to Davik, didn't really mean to. His theory gave me a head ache though. Still, he was being nice so no need for being so dismissive


Neb- I'd be a lot more comfortable making that link if it actually was cupcakes, or at minimum the icing matched

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

@spotlessvoid I know, it is just slow around here. In fact the only reason I put it up here was because the guy in the picture is a Bioware dev, can't remember his name though

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gosh after about 14 hours of Vigil's theme with the Ilos "heartbeat" and other sounds in the background (it just gives sooo much atmosphere to it) I'm slowly loosing it and should go to bed, night

What did you do on Ilos for 14 hours?

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[Rifneno]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 

 Huhhuh? Sense a connection?
Man everyone really tucked in early tonight

WOW is that reaching.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

All nice and all regarding Ilos and Vigil...

But the problem remains that this cycle only stands a chance because of Vigil and the disc he gave us. Without it we would have been unable to stop Sovereign, the Citadel would have been overwhelmed, the cycle would continue completely as usual.

Instead we defeat Sovereign and but the Galaxy 2.5 years to prepare and deny them easy acess to the Citadel putting their strategy of isolating the systems out of play.

There is no gain from the Reapers point of view which justifies the enormous losses and possible defeat because of that...

One trait of great intelligence is being able to defer gratification in order to achieve greater success. That might be the case with the Reapers. What if all this is part of a grand scheme by them. Shepard thinks he's winning, instead he is being lured into a trap ans with that the whole Galaxy is going to pay for his inability to understand the enemy.

You almost make it sound like the Intelligence somehow predicted every possible outcome of every possible situation and manipulated events accordingly up through all 3 games...and that is a kind of villian I really, really hate <_<

No logical outcome, no logical explanation, hell there is not even a hint of something as grand as that...

The cycle has a chance of ending, the Reapers can be defeated for the first time since the start of the cycle according to everything we know and it was all set in motion because of sacrifice of the Protheans and the things Shepard did.

Sovereigns defeat and the events of the Citadel could ruin everything for the Intelligence and the Reapers...I simply dont beleive there is any foreseeable plan, even for a supercomputer, that is worth that risk.

The AI´s primary programming is the presevation of all life, Sovereign represented an entire species, for the Intelligence to willingly sacrifice Sovereign would be a direct violation of its primary programming from what we are told.

Villains aren't to be loved in stories so if you say you hate the cunning Intelligence, it means the game's done it's job.

Losing something now and gaining more in the future is what deferred gratification is all about. Yes, I assume here that the Intelligence is evil and doesn't value life. But isn't that what everyone think about it already?

It'd be an enormous twist if at the end of the war everything changed because the Intelligence had planned it all along. Of course, it'd have to be obvious for the players that they were tricked into a trap and blindly followed the path the Intelligence drew.

[paxxton]

That makes sense. When Harbinger was created the AI decided that it has to be mobile, not sitting in some remote facility, and uploaded itself into the most powerful Reaper of all.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 *snip*

 Huhhuh? Sense a connection?
Man everyone really tucked in early tonight

WOW is that reaching.

BioWare got cupcakes (which, btw, they donated to charity) and as a way of saying "Thank You!" gave the fans a digital strawberry chocolate cake. 

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 *snip*

 Huhhuh? Sense a connection?
Man everyone really tucked in early tonight

WOW is that reaching.

BioWare got cupcakes (which, btw, they donated to charity) and as a way of saying "Thank You!" gave the fans a digital strawberry chocolate cake. 

That's not where that pic is from.  That's one of the MP devs.  He said he'd "eat his hat" if players could farm/solo/something or other platinum difficulty.  Needless to say it took about 5 minutes after launch before some of the top tier players had just spanked platinum.  Some of the forum held the hat thing against him, so he decided cupcakes were now called hats and uploaded a few pics of him eating cupcakes.

I'm guessing they were chocolate, but they should've been crow flavored.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

 *snip*

 Huhhuh? Sense a connection?
Man everyone really tucked in early tonight

WOW is that reaching.

BioWare got cupcakes (which, btw, they donated to charity) and as a way of saying "Thank You!" gave the fans a digital strawberry chocolate cake. 

That's not where that pic is from.  That's one of the MP devs.  He said he'd "eat his hat" if players could farm/solo/something or other platinum difficulty.  Needless to say it took about 5 minutes after launch before some of the top tier players had just spanked platinum.  Some of the forum held the hat thing against him, so he decided cupcakes were now called hats and uploaded a few pics of him eating cupcakes.

I'm guessing they were chocolate, but they should've been crow flavored.

I guess his stomach ached violently afterwards.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[paxxton]

This thread is moving slowly.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:54 .

[Bill Casey]

paxxton wrote...

BioWare got cupcakes (which, btw, they donated to charity) and as a way of saying "Thank You!" send us this instead hint hint gave the fans a digital strawberry chocolate cake. 

When I see the cake, all I can think about is this

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:54 .

[paxxton]

GlaDOS - the mad cook.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

I still think the Intelligence/'Catalyst' (the real Catalyst is Shepard imo) is just Harbinger. Or rather, it was an AI that became Harbinger once it synthesized with the Leviathan race.

So it both betrayed the Leviathans and is continuing on its programming. Problem is, it also incorporated the Leviathan arrogance and apex predator mindset, leading to it strongly manipulating organics instead of protecting them, and also mandating a form of indoctrination over every Reaper created after itself. (Which is why all Reapers behave as one in goal and in amorality - even though each are a 'nation')

"Protecting organics...while screwing them over for many millenia." Yup, sounds like Leviathan.



EDIT: Long story short, Reapers are still a sad abomination and need to be Destroyed. Their attempts at synthesis over time just create more and more failure, because their creators were failed from the start. AIs are NOT bad, but require guidance and compassion just like any growing mind, but the 'Intelligence' never had that, and sadly, we have to put it down before it wrecks even more trillions of lives.

So let's kill Harbinger.

paxxton wrote...

That makes sense. When Harbinger was created the AI decided that it has to be mobile, not sitting in some remote facility, and uploaded itself into the most powerful Reaper of all.

I completely agree. I've said this before, but one possibility for an ending could be, the Crucible turns out to be a trap, a mass indoctrination device that uses the Mass Relays. After fighting our way onto it, we somehow "reverse" it, so it becomes a mass anti-indoctrination device.

Due to Shepard's success in beating indoctrination, he actually is the Catalyst. Everyone in the galaxy becomes un-indoctrinated, including all of the Reapers. Only Harbinger, the only being not under indoctrination, is left as the enemy. Cue epic finale battle with Harbinger!

Then comes all the little blue babies, houses on Rannoch, and all the other good ending stuff!

I also believe Rio will be important somehow, maybe we built our own Mass Relay, and it would get us to the Citadel, but I kept this version simple.

[Rifneno]

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

[lex0r11]

Rifneno wrote...

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

Ah, let them play a little bit more. Some might go crazy before Omega comes out if they don't have any distraction.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

this coming from the guy that said the catalyst was sovereign who uploaded his mind into the citadel.

[Bill Casey]

Rifneno wrote...

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

Tell that to Bill Clinton...
Boom...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[paxxton]

[SPAM] This proves IT:

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .