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[ElSuperGecko]

I think this may have got lost in the shuffle overnight - does anyone have any thoughts on Shepard's "waking up" reactions, and the fact that the reaction following the nightmare sequences is very comparable to Shep's reaction on "waking up" from various hallucination/visions and the survival in the high EMS ending?

I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has picked up on this, and thoughts with how it could tie in to Shepard potentially succumbing to indoctrination throughout the game...

ivenoidea wrote...
That sound when shepard wakes up from the hallucination induced by leviathan reminds me of the odd sound shepard makes while "waking up" on the citadel.

Yep, the similarity is definitely there.  And it's not the only time we see something similar to this, either.  Ever noticed that the gasping intake of breath Shepard takes in the the high EMS Destroy ending is also identical to the gasping intake of breath Shep takes after waking from each of the dream sequences?

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
I thought he only gasps after the first dream? The second dream cuts to the random hologram and the third goes to LI conversation.

Here's the revelvant sequences, and Shepard's reaction upon from waking from every nightmare...

First Dream Sequence: (1:40)

Second Dream sequence: (1:50)

Third Dream sequence: (1:05) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNxOGOrJ6L4&t=1m5s

Shepard Breathes Ending: (5:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWSBbO-Ec8&t=5m40s

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath.  And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending.  And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well.  It's something to be aware of, I think. 

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 28 septembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Lord Luc1fer]

paxxton wrote...

[SPAM] This proves IT:

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[Restrider]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
--snip--

I cannot really add anything to that, but it is really a good piece you've managed to assemble there.
*Acknowledges good work*

[RavenEyry]

Dream 2 is the most interesting because it's vague about whether Shepard was actually asleep.

[paxxton]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

[SPAM] This proves IT:

I'm dying... this was so good paxx..

"We want our phones NOW!"

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dream 2 is the most interesting because it's vague about whether Shepard was actually asleep.

Shepard fell asleep while playing Shenmue II.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 septembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

this coming from the guy that said the catalyst was sovereign who uploaded his mind into the citadel.

Go to hell.

Bill Casey wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Guys, ever heard that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

Tell that to Bill Clinton...
Boom...

Go to hell.

[Rifneno]

God, I can't believe plfranke actually sauntered back here. Pathetic worm. I guess the literalists couldn't stand his tantrums either.

[ElSuperGecko]

RavenEyry wrote...
Dream 2 is the most interesting because it's vague about whether Shepard was actually asleep.

Very true.  It's almost more a case of Shepard slipping out of conciousness or "drifting off" rather than actually being asleep.

Shepard's showing serious signs of fatigue and stress throughout Mass Effect 3 - so much so, your squadmates pick up on it and are worried.  IIRC after every dream sequence, your team mates will ask if you're feeling OK, say that you look tired, or need to take a break etc...

[ivenoidea]

Today i realized that people calling the Catalyst/Starchild a "Deus Ex Machina" are completely right.

Today this phrase means "sudden illogical solution to a problem", but translated properly from latin it means "God made from a machine."

Think about that for a moment.

[Rankincountry]

paxxton wrote...

[SPAM] This proves IT:

Words fail me. I'll attempt to describe my reaction in pictures...

:crying:

[Rifneno]

ivenoidea wrote...

Today i realized that people calling the Catalyst/Starchild a "Deus Ex Machina" are completely right.

Today this phrase means "sudden illogical solution to a problem", but translated properly from latin it means "God made from a machine."

Think about that for a moment.

LOL.  Yeah, I guess that can be a "woah" moment if you didn't know what the literal translation was.

While I'm posting, here's a nice reference they stuck in that I just noticed.  "With your help, we can end this once and for all!" - Shepard to Leviathan.  The ending theme when you talk to Starbrat?  "An End Once and For All".

[Rankincountry]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Dream 2 is the most interesting because it's vague about whether Shepard was actually asleep.

Very true.  It's almost more a case of Shepard slipping out of conciousness or "drifting off" rather than actually being asleep.

Shepard's showing serious signs of fatigue and stress throughout Mass Effect 3 - so much so, your squadmates pick up on it and are worried.  IIRC after every dream sequence, your team mates will ask if you're feeling OK, say that you look tired, or need to take a break etc...

It might also explain the lack of neutral dialogue options to some extent, with the stress and tiredness making Shep less able to see the middle ground in a conflict.

I don't know if it's just me, or if it's because of more detailed facial textures in ME3 compared to the others, but my Shepards (one default male, one home-made female) look to have visibly aged between ME2 and ME3. It's like you see him/her get ground down through the series. That Shep might then falter at the final confrontation makes sense - with Shep weak and exhausted yet so close, it is a risk for Harbinger to wait until the last moment to complete indoctrination, but also his best chance to break his mortal enemy.

Shep's resolve in the Destroy sequence and his seeming recovery as he advances towards the tube also make sense as the point at which mentally he breaks free of Harbinger's hold.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gosh after about 14 hours of Vigil's theme with the Ilos "heartbeat" and other sounds in the background (it just gives sooo much atmosphere to it) I'm slowly loosing it and should go to bed, night

What did you do on Ilos for 14 hours?

No, recorded it.

[Rankincountry]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Gosh after about 14 hours of Vigil's theme with the Ilos "heartbeat" and other sounds in the background (it just gives sooo much atmosphere to it) I'm slowly loosing it and should go to bed, night

What did you do on Ilos for 14 hours?

What happens on Ilos stays on Ilos, dude.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

God, I can't believe plfranke actually sauntered back here. Pathetic worm. I guess the literalists couldn't stand his tantrums either.

Ever wondered why so few people like you?

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[paxxton]

Rankincountry wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Dream 2 is the most interesting because it's vague about whether Shepard was actually asleep.

Very true.  It's almost more a case of Shepard slipping out of conciousness or "drifting off" rather than actually being asleep.

Shepard's showing serious signs of fatigue and stress throughout Mass Effect 3 - so much so, your squadmates pick up on it and are worried.  IIRC after every dream sequence, your team mates will ask if you're feeling OK, say that you look tired, or need to take a break etc...

It might also explain the lack of neutral dialogue options to some extent, with the stress and tiredness making Shep less able to see the middle ground in a conflict.

I don't know if it's just me, or if it's because of more detailed facial textures in ME3 compared to the others, but my Shepards (one default male, one home-made female) look to have visibly aged between ME2 and ME3. It's like you see him/her get ground down through the series. That Shep might then falter at the final confrontation makes sense - with Shep weak and exhausted yet so close, it is a risk for Harbinger to wait until the last moment to complete indoctrination, but also his best chance to break his mortal enemy.

Shep's resolve in the Destroy sequence and his seeming recovery as he advances towards the tube also make sense as the point at which mentally he breaks free of Harbinger's hold.

Exactly what I picked up while playing ME3 for the first time. All the humans who took part in the suicide mission with Shepard look exhausted. They have pale faces and look old.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

God, I can't believe plfranke actually sauntered back here. Pathetic worm. I guess the literalists couldn't stand his tantrums either.

Ever wondered why so few people like you?

Oh hey, you missed the opportunity to mock someone over a disability you know nothing about.  Poor show.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

God, I can't believe plfranke actually sauntered back here. Pathetic worm. I guess the literalists couldn't stand his tantrums either.

Ever wondered why so few people like you?

Oh hey, you missed the opportunity to mock someone over a disability you know nothing about.  Poor show.

disability != personality

[DoomsdayDevice]

ivenoidea wrote...

Today i realized that people calling the Catalyst/Starchild a "Deus Ex Machina" are completely right.

Today this phrase means "sudden illogical solution to a problem", but translated properly from latin it means "God made from a machine."

Think about that for a moment.

Actually no, it literally means "God out of / from the machine", (not "made from") and even more accurately "God out of / from the crane".

In ancient Greek comedies and tragedies, whenever divine intervention was needed in the drama, they used a crane to lower a god onto the stage, as if he came floating down from Olympus itself.

I see your point, but it actually means that the god is coming from the machine, not made of it.

That is why it can also be used to mean a 'fake god'.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

God, I can't believe plfranke actually sauntered back here. Pathetic worm. I guess the literalists couldn't stand his tantrums either.

Ever wondered why so few people like you?

Oh hey, you missed the opportunity to mock someone over a disability you know nothing about.  Poor show.

disability != personality

And yet, I still wouldn't stoop to your depths.  I guess that just makes one more man disgusted by you.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Can't we all just try to get along? =)

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Can't we all just try to get along? =)

<shrug> I avoid Countress Bathory's posts as much as possible.  I avoid reading them if I can.  But I'll take a few jabs when it does at me.

[Rankincountry]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Today i realized that people calling the Catalyst/Starchild a "Deus Ex Machina" are completely right.

Today this phrase means "sudden illogical solution to a problem", but translated properly from latin it means "God made from a machine."

Think about that for a moment.

Actually no, it literally means "God out of / from the machine", (not "made from") and even more accurately "God out of / from the crane".

In ancient Greek comedies and tragedies, whenever divine intervention was needed in the drama, they used a crane to lower a god onto the stage, as if he came floating down from Olympus itself.

I see your point, but it actually means that the god is coming from the machine, not made of it.

That is why it can also be used to mean a 'fake god'.

Ivenoidea's point still stands with the more correct translation - looking at DD's final sentence, more so in fact.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

Countess Bathory

I lol'd.

Seriously though, all this in-fighting does not become thee, oh my brothers.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:45 .