Bill Casey wrote...
Eternal. Infinite. Immortal.
The poster I was used these words,
but only now do I truly understand them.
And only now do I comprehend the full potential of this thread.
To ensure all ITers have a voice.
I will protect and sustain the theory.
I will be a guardian for IT.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
ivenoidea wrote...
Today i realized that people calling the Catalyst/Starchild a "Deus Ex Machina" are completely right.
Today this phrase means "sudden illogical solution to a problem", but translated properly from latin it means "God made from a machine."
Think about that for a moment.
Actually no, it literally means "God out of / from the machine", (not "made from") and even more accurately "God out of / from the crane".
In ancient Greek comedies and tragedies, whenever divine intervention was needed in the drama, they used a crane to lower a god onto the stage, as if he came floating down from Olympus itself.
I see your point, but it actually means that the god is coming from the machine, not made of it.
That is why it can also be used to mean a 'fake god'.
Davik Kang wrote...
- he is not a new element. Though in the form of a ghost child, he is previously unseen, he represents the collective intelligence of the Reapers, and we already knew about the Reapers - they are nothing new. It's just that this is the closest Shepard's come to being able to communicate with them.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
I'm fairly sure that Ivenoidea knew about the role of a Deus Ex Machina, and was just comparing the Catalyst to the literal translation.
"God out of / from the machine" sums up the Catalyst quite effectively, in my opinion.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
- he is not a new element. Though in the form of a ghost child, he is previously unseen, he represents the collective intelligence of the Reapers, and we already knew about the Reapers - they are nothing new. It's just that this is the closest Shepard's come to being able to communicate with them.
I have to disagree. Before Leviathan was released, this Reaper AI came out of nowhere. The only foreshadowing for it was on Thessia, when the cycles are explained by Vendetta. But there is no mention of an AI whatsoever.
In fact, before the EC, in the original ending, the kid never even says he is an AI, there's no talk about how the Reapers were created. That was all new in the EC.
People literally thought he was some kind of god.
Hence the nickname 'godchild' that some still use.
Modifié par D.Sharrah, 28 septembre 2012 - 11:38 .
Rifneno wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
- he is not a new element. Though in the form of a ghost child, he is previously unseen, he represents the collective intelligence of the Reapers, and we already knew about the Reapers - they are nothing new. It's just that this is the closest Shepard's come to being able to communicate with them.
I have to disagree. Before Leviathan was released, this Reaper AI came out of nowhere. The only foreshadowing for it was on Thessia, when the cycles are explained by Vendetta. But there is no mention of an AI whatsoever.
In fact, before the EC, in the original ending, the kid never even says he is an AI, there's no talk about how the Reapers were created. That was all new in the EC.
People literally thought he was some kind of god.
Hence the nickname 'godchild' that some still use.
That was my initial reaction. "WTF, is the kid supposed to be God?" Why? Because God's the only one who could make synthesis happen. Rewriting the way life works everywhere, changing the fabric of reality, is the province of the divine, not the technological.
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
'Viewing the Reaper with superstitious awe.'
D.Sharrah wrote...
Don't know what possessed me to do it...but I just was looking at one of the "Look I have the magic bullet to kill IT" threads...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
I forgot who originally posted this, but I love it.
spotlessvoid wrote...
Those ant-IT threads are awesome fun!
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Don't forget that 1 datapad pretty much explained that the beam indoctrinates people...Rankincountry wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
The sequence where Leviathan talks with Shepard inside his mind is eerily similar to the desicion room (Shepard on his knees, only happened in arrival and in the desicion chamber).Genetic Destiny wrote...
So, how has Leviathan contributed to IT? I think it strenghthens the thought of Harbinger being the Catalyst. He is the oldest reaper after all.
On a side note, I'm kinda hesitant to trust the Leviathans. They're too powerful, and I'm positive they still have the arrogance you'd expect from a reaper.
Add in the resemblance of the device in London that is producing the conduit beam to Object Rho in Arrival - the parallels between all three scenes has to be a clue.
Modifié par masster blaster, 28 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .
TJBartlemus wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Don't forget that 1 datapad pretty much explained that the beam indoctrinates people...Rankincountry wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
The sequence where Leviathan talks with Shepard inside his mind is eerily similar to the desicion room (Shepard on his knees, only happened in arrival and in the desicion chamber).Genetic Destiny wrote...
So, how has Leviathan contributed to IT? I think it strenghthens the thought of Harbinger being the Catalyst. He is the oldest reaper after all.
On a side note, I'm kinda hesitant to trust the Leviathans. They're too powerful, and I'm positive they still have the arrogance you'd expect from a reaper.
Add in the resemblance of the device in London that is producing the conduit beam to Object Rho in Arrival - the parallels between all three scenes has to be a clue.
+1 point to the WNT!!!
Modifié par Genetic Destiny, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:01 .
masster blaster wrote...
Harbinger:" Struggle if you wish you mind will be MINE."
In Control Shepard is struggling to hold on to the rods, and if you think for a moment Shepard's thoughts, memories will be transported into a new frame work to Control the Reapers. Harbinger has Shepard's mind at the end because Shepard gave Harbinger Shepard's memories and personality's to make Shepard a Reaper, not the one that Controls the Reapers, but a Reaper in general.
Also hey everyone.
D.Sharrah wrote...
Don't know what possessed me to do it...but I just was looking at one of the "Look I have the magic bullet to kill IT" threads...and the only conclusion that I was able to come to -
that Bill Casey rocks!
Edit: Here's the thread: http://social.biowar.../index/14284005. And it looks like some other IT'ers are doing some might butt kicking as well!
Modifié par masster blaster, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:03 .
masster blaster wrote...
Harbinger:" Struggle if you wish you mind will be MINE."
In Control Shepard is struggling to hold on to the rods, and if you think for a moment Shepard's thoughts, memories will be transported into a new frame work to Control the Reapers. Harbinger has Shepard's mind at the end because Shepard gave Harbinger Shepard's memories and personality's to make Shepard a Reaper, not the one that Controls the Reapers, but a Reaper in general.
Also hey everyone.
Bill Casey wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Harbinger:" Struggle if you wish you mind will be MINE."
In Control Shepard is struggling to hold on to the rods, and if you think for a moment Shepard's thoughts, memories will be transported into a new frame work to Control the Reapers. Harbinger has Shepard's mind at the end because Shepard gave Harbinger Shepard's memories and personality's to make Shepard a Reaper, not the one that Controls the Reapers, but a Reaper in general.
Also hey everyone.
Brilliant...
xBl4ck0p5x wrote...
Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.spotlessvoid wrote...
The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made
spotlessvoid wrote...
xBl4ck0p5x wrote...
Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.spotlessvoid wrote...
The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made
From another thread. He totally missed it. Love it
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