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[Big_Boss9]

Fun things to talk about! Sooner than you think, too!!


https://twitter.com/...832512152735744

Hopefully we get some announcements this coming week. Hunger for MP DLC rising to alarming levels. Also, hey MB!

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:37 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made

Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.

From another thread. He totally missed it. Love it

IT is not  an ending it's an expanision, and that's it. The ending will take place after Shepard wakes up, so there.

...Isn't that where the ramifications of Shepard's end choices are revealed? Right after the breath scene? If so, then the IT should provide an ending through this expansion, no?

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made

Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.

From another thread. He totally missed it. Love it

IT is not  an ending it's an expanision, and that's it. The ending will take place after Shepard wakes up, so there.

...Isn't that where the ramifications of Shepard's end choices are revealed? Right after the breath scene? If so, then the IT should provide an ending through this expansion, no?

Well yes, but if you think about it, is Arrival the ending of ME2, or is it after the suicide mission?

Also Banshee mises you.

Modifié par masster blaster, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[BiO]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Fun things to talk about! Sooner than you think, too!!


https://twitter.com/...832512152735744

Hopefully we get some announcements this coming week. Hunger for MP DLC rising to alarming levels. Also, hey MB!

Link doesn't work for me

[masster blaster]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Fun things to talk about! Sooner than you think, too!!


https://twitter.com/...832512152735744

Hopefully we get some announcements this coming week. Hunger for MP DLC rising to alarming levels. Also, hey MB!

Sup, um you link didn't take me to twitter.

[BiO]

Just copy/paste it manually.

And, of course, where there is mention of Omega DLC, there's people wanting to see Collectors. Jeez, can we get a DLC that doesn't invalidate all of ME2? kthxbb

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made

Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.

From another thread. He totally missed it. Love it

IT is not  an ending it's an expanision, and that's it. The ending will take place after Shepard wakes up, so there.

...Isn't that where the ramifications of Shepard's end choices are revealed? Right after the breath scene? If so, then the IT should provide an ending through this expansion, no?

Well yes, but if you think about it, is Arrival the ending of ME2, or is it after the suicide mission?

Also Banshee mises you.

Suicide mission. Arrival can be done before the suicide mission.

Well, Banshee'd better get used to not seeing me for a while. I'll be gone for 6 months.

Modifié par estebanus, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[Big_Boss9]

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Fun things to talk about! Sooner than you think, too!!


https://twitter.com/...832512152735744

Hopefully we get some announcements this coming week. Hunger for MP DLC rising to alarming levels. Also, hey MB!

Sup, um you link didn't take me to twitter.

Fixed.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The point bares repeating thats why! Why would Biowarw make a high resolution slideshow for everyone who didnt get the endings? No way they did all that work just to appease the people who weren't paying attention. It took them months to make it! They had to put aside making DLC to get those slides made

Ah. In that case, I agree. It seems like a BS story move to put all that effort into the endings, then say "LOL, here's the real ending." IT is the worst thing that could happen to the endings, IMO.

From another thread. He totally missed it. Love it

IT is not  an ending it's an expanision, and that's it. The ending will take place after Shepard wakes up, so there.

...Isn't that where the ramifications of Shepard's end choices are revealed? Right after the breath scene? If so, then the IT should provide an ending through this expansion, no?

Well yes, but if you think about it, is Arrival the ending of ME2, or is it after the suicide mission?

Also Banshee mises you.

Suicide mission. Arrival can be done before the suicide mission.

Well, Banshee'd better get used to not seeing me for a while. I'll be gone for 6 months.

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

[masster blaster]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Fun things to talk about! Sooner than you think, too!!


https://twitter.com/...832512152735744

Hopefully we get some announcements this coming week. Hunger for MP DLC rising to alarming levels. Also, hey MB!

Sup, um you link didn't take me to twitter.

Fixed.

Hope it's IT related, maybe Collectors, or Harbinger.

OR both.

Modifié par masster blaster, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

Of course the games had an ending. An open ending, yes, but still an ending. If it didn't have an ending, the entire last part of the story arc would not exist, however it does in both ME1 and 2.

In ME1, the main plot is resolved after Sovereign is beaten, and Shepard prepares for the reapers' arrival. That was the end of the game. It was open ended, but it was the end.
In ME2, the same applies. After Harbinger's collector miions are defeated, Shepard prepares for the reaper invasion. There. Main plot solved, the game's over. It was open-ended, yet it was still an ending.

Just because the series is a trilogy doesn't mean that each part of it doesn't have an ending.

Modifié par estebanus, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:55 .

[Davik Kang]

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If Bioware ever reveals the legend save data, I'm terrified that synthesis is the majority, and what that would say about humanity.

That people are easily manipulated fools?  Lots of psychological studies have already shown that. 

It would be worse than that.  Synthesis could suggest a God Complex.  Making the choice to alter the very nature of life itself across the universe.

However, from a quick persusal of these forums, it does seem like most people chose destroy, even if their reasons for doing so vary wildly.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

Of course the games had an ending. An open ending, yes, but still an ending. If it didn't have an ending, the entire last part of the story arc would not exist, however it does in both ME1 and 2.

In ME1, the main plot is resolved after Sovereign is beaten, and Shepard prepares for the reapers' arrival. That was the end of the game. It was open ended, but it was the end.
In ME2, the same applies. After Harbinger's collector miions are defeated, Shepard prepares for the reaper invasion. There. Main plot solved, the game's over. It was open-ended, yet it was still an ending.

Just because the series is a trilogy doesn't mean that each part of it doesn't have an ending.

And that's were ME3 comes in. Literalist use IT is a worser ending because it's not an ending, more like a bridge gap. Yes The Breath scene is what we call SHepard wakeing up from Indoc from Harbinger, or Leviathan, is an ending in sense, but not yet.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

Of course the games had an ending. An open ending, yes, but still an ending. If it didn't have an ending, the entire last part of the story arc would not exist, however it does in both ME1 and 2.

In ME1, the main plot is resolved after Sovereign is beaten, and Shepard prepares for the reapers' arrival. That was the end of the game. It was open ended, but it was the end.
In ME2, the same applies. After Harbinger's collector miions are defeated, Shepard prepares for the reaper invasion. There. Main plot solved, the game's over. It was open-ended, yet it was still an ending.

Just because the series is a trilogy doesn't mean that each part of it doesn't have an ending.

And that's were ME3 comes in. Literalist use IT is a worser ending because it's not an ending, more like a bridge gap. Yes The Breath scene is what we call SHepard wakeing up from Indoc from Harbinger, or Leviathan, is an ending in sense, but not yet.

That's because this "ending" of yours hasn't been made real in-game, and it probably never will. I'm mostly convinced that BioWare will just leave it ambiguous forever, rather than give their fans that, they promised them.

You shouldn't bother answering this. I won't be here.

Modifié par estebanus, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

Of course the games had an ending. An open ending, yes, but still an ending. If it didn't have an ending, the entire last part of the story arc would not exist, however it does in both ME1 and 2.

In ME1, the main plot is resolved after Sovereign is beaten, and Shepard prepares for the reapers' arrival. That was the end of the game. It was open ended, but it was the end.
In ME2, the same applies. After Harbinger's collector miions are defeated, Shepard prepares for the reaper invasion. There. Main plot solved, the game's over. It was open-ended, yet it was still an ending.

Just because the series is a trilogy doesn't mean that each part of it doesn't have an ending.

And that's were ME3 comes in. Literalist use IT is a worser ending because it's not an ending, more like a bridge gap. Yes The Breath scene is what we call SHepard wakeing up from Indoc from Harbinger, or Leviathan, is an ending in sense, but not yet.

That's because this "ending" of yours hasn't been made real in-game, and it probably never will. I'm mostly convinced that BioWare will just leave it ambiguous forever, rather than give their fans that, they promised them.

You shouldn't bother answering this. I won't be here.

Why is that leaving to your next destination already? Don't you want to say hello to Banshee and talk about PIE.

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah you forget ME1, and ME2 didn't have an ending. It was more like to be continued.

Of course the games had an ending. An open ending, yes, but still an ending. If it didn't have an ending, the entire last part of the story arc would not exist, however it does in both ME1 and 2.

In ME1, the main plot is resolved after Sovereign is beaten, and Shepard prepares for the reapers' arrival. That was the end of the game. It was open ended, but it was the end.
In ME2, the same applies. After Harbinger's collector miions are defeated, Shepard prepares for the reaper invasion. There. Main plot solved, the game's over. It was open-ended, yet it was still an ending.

Just because the series is a trilogy doesn't mean that each part of it doesn't have an ending.

And that's were ME3 comes in. Literalist use IT is a worser ending because it's not an ending, more like a bridge gap. Yes The Breath scene is what we call SHepard wakeing up from Indoc from Harbinger, or Leviathan, is an ending in sense, but not yet.

That's because this "ending" of yours hasn't been made real in-game, and it probably never will. I'm mostly convinced that BioWare will just leave it ambiguous forever, rather than give their fans that, they promised them.

You shouldn't bother answering this. I won't be here.

[TJBartlemus]

 Slow today huh....for those interested or haven't seen the WNT yet you should check it out!!!

[BansheeOwnage]

Estebanus you here? And nice one MassterBlaster! I feel like we're on a roll today. For the first time, I feel like we should get out there and fight!

[TJBartlemus]

Nah we are all in the WNT thread.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Selective snip* Comments in blue. I always like to remember when I'm immersed in a story that the characters are not only speaking to each other but throught the character to the audience.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..." At this part of the game I was open to control a bit. I mean if the reapers were fighting Cerberus on sancturary Cerberus must be on to something. Little disappointed that there was no way to let Miranda's Dad live. I know he was a monster, but given the stakes...(mmm steak) I would have been open to working with him, with him dead I didn't believe there was a chance in hell Cerberus could control anything.

then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think." One thing the writers of Mass Effect hit us on the head over and over again is that the reaper motives are unknowable. This is a warning sign of indoctrination and why you should always be wary of the starchild. If the geth with all their fancy microchips cannot fathom what the reapers mind is like after interfacing with one how is a starchild going to explain in a minute the entire reaper mindset? More likely the mind rationalizes serving the reapers, one way or another.

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting. "This is very true, indoctrination changes the way you think and act in ways you may or may not be able to explain. If the decision chamber is an overlay of reality what exactly is Shepard shooting at? The conduit beam dies when Shepard chooses destroy, could it be possible that if Shepard will not willingly open his mind to indoctrination that the reapers will compel Shepard to sabotage the conduit beam thus making sure no one makes it to the citadel?

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine." [color=rgb(0, 0, 128)">"The writers are also refering to TIM ]It's a miracle TIM [/color]has lasted so long before going full bore indoctrinated.

But then TIM says later[b] " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make." TIM is currently 100% correct, ME3 ends in a cliffhanger with Shepard still in London in a bunch of rubble with Harbinger still around. Not a very good position to be in. Shepard does not have the tools to win the battle against the reapers...yet. *cough* DLC.




You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.


The Grey Nayr
This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.



Read Mass Effect Evolution. You'll understand a lot of why The Illusive Man is the way he is.

The Illusive Man / Jack Harper, got zapped by a Reaper Monolith on Shanxi. He didn't transform into a husk, because his best friend, Ben Hislop, took the blast and he got grazed.

He was, however, altered. His eyes became like a husk's, and he was suddenly highly intelligent and fluent in alien languages(he could speak Asari despite never having heard the language,) and he experienced a couple of fainting spells foretelling the return of the Reapers. And was "guided" to Illium, where events unfolded that caused the rest of the story to play out. Which resulted in TIM convincing Saren to murder his brother Desolas, who was being driven mad by the artifact. And lead TIM to found Cerberus.

So long story short.

1. Cerberus was founded specifically for the purpose of understanding, and stopping the Reapers. When the Illusive Man said "I've dedicated my life to understanding the Reapers" he was referring to this.

2. The Reapers have had their claws in the Illusive Man's mind since the First Contact War, but he's somehow been able to resist it/turn it to his advantage, until the end, when you see on the vid feed at Chronos Station that he had himself implanted with Reaper nanites.

3. He can credit his high intelligence to the Reapers, he was just a bigoted mercenary in the beginning. Which explains how he mysteriously knows that all of his theories are possible, and knows who to assign to it to get results. The same way Sovereign had chosen Dr. Qian to be his toady before Saren(Saren killed Qian, which delayed the invasion of the Citadel because they had to start over from scratch.)

Also nothing in The Illusive Man's comments to Shepard imply that Shepard is being indoctrinated. Taking the intimidate approach where Shepard says "The Reapers have it right? You're indoctrinated!" is more closer to the truth.

Modifié par masster blaster, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanus you here? And nice one MassterBlaster! I feel like we're on a roll today. For the first time, I feel like we should get out there and fight!

He, or she left already sorry. tried to get him, or her to stay a bit longer, and the others have been doing this for hours, while just came here about an hour ago, and what do you mean I am on a roll?

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I had a great idea for a video in which Starbinger answers Shepard's questions with some Avina quotes. I even selected some dialogue bits, it's pretty damn funny. Can't be arsed to do all that though. =P

DO IT       >

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanus you here? And nice one MassterBlaster! I feel like we're on a roll today. For the first time, I feel like we should get out there and fight!

He, or she left already sorry. tried to get him, or her to stay a bit longer, and the others have been doing this for hours, while just came here about an hour ago, and what do you mean I am on a roll?

I said we're on a roll. You had a good point, but I mean we are on a roll.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Estebanus you here? And nice one MassterBlaster! I feel like we're on a roll today. For the first time, I feel like we should get out there and fight!

He, or she left already sorry. tried to get him, or her to stay a bit longer, and the others have been doing this for hours, while just came here about an hour ago, and what do you mean I am on a roll?

I said we're on a roll. You had a good point, but I mean we are on a roll.

Sorry ment my " Good point.":D