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[Big_Boss9]

Rifneno wrote...

I was very surprised that the collector base decision didn't end up being a right or wrong one.

Agreed. As an aside, I'm still baffled how anything could be salvaged from the Collector Base if you choose to destroy it, given the giant ****ing sweeping everything-in-its-wake-is-disintegrated explosion in the cutscene, but whatever.

EDIT: Normally don't care about this, but top twice in one night? YOUR POSTS WILL BE BECOME MY LABORATORIES.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[spotlessvoid]

" Why can't Shepard just mention the geth/quarian peace to the kid? AHHHHHhh!!!!!! [/rant]"

Because then the literalist would get it.

[Bill Casey]

Did you recognize what these nanobots are attaching themselves to in this section of the Synthesis ending?





















If you guessed "neurons", the most important cells for transmitting information to the brain, you are correct...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:07 .

[401 Kill]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I was very surprised that the collector base decision didn't end up being a right or wrong one.

Agreed. As an aside, I'm still baffled how anything could be salvaged from the Collector Base if you choose to destroy it, based on the giant ****ing sweeping everything-in-its-wake-is-disintegrated explosion in the cutscene, but whatever.

EDIT: Normally don't care about this, but top twice in one night? YOUR POSTS WILL BE BECOME MY LABORATORIES.

This, the reason you destroy the collector base is to not let TIM get his paws on it. "The end does not justify the means". The facility was an abomination, and destroyed. Yet, I don't see how the 2 ending choices for ME2 end up having the same exact impact for ME3.

[Rifneno]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I was very surprised that the collector base decision didn't end up being a right or wrong one.

Agreed. As an aside, I'm still baffled how anything could be salvaged from the Collector Base if you choose to destroy it, given the giant ****ing sweeping everything-in-its-wake-is-disintegrated explosion in the cutscene, but whatever.

EDIT: Normally don't care about this, but top twice in one night? YOUR POSTS WILL BE BECOME MY LABORATORIES.

I've always considered that a point in favor of the hallucination starting on or before Cronos.  Not just the base itself surviving, but that much of the human Reaper?  The thing that was right next to the reactor when it blew?  THAT was in tact?  And they salvaged its "heart" if you destroyed the base or the "brain" if you didn't?  Allegory much?

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I was very surprised that the collector base decision didn't end up being a right or wrong one.

Maybe we'll explore the consequences of that choice during the Onega DLC.

I have a strong feeling it is actually a right/wrong choice (through IT) and that it will be in Omega, for many reasons.
I also expect there to be a MP announcement on monday, seeing as how Chris said he'll have tuesday's patch notes on monday. I think it would be a perfect time to put in DLC at the same time as a large patch. Furthermore, the Earth DLC trailer only came out the day before it came out, the monday. The most official warning we've had for MP DLC has been the friday before. It would be nothing new.
Since so many people think it's collectors, and there may be collectors in Omega, and because of BW's quietness on that, I doubt it isn't. Think about this: If it is collectors, it would make perfect sense to have Harbinger in MP. If he is in MP, it would make perfect sense for him to be in Omega, especially when you consider his steadily-increasing importance.

I need to go, see you tomorrow and say "Hi" to Estebanus for me!

[Bill Casey]

Handing the Collector Base over to the Illusive Man is the wrong choice, as proven by what he does with it...
The fact that he gets what he needs anyway if you blow it up is beside the point...


You shouldn't just give it to him...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

Did you recognize what these nanobots are attaching themselves to in this section of the Synthesis ending?







If you guessed "neurons", the most important cells for transmitting information to the brain, you are correct...

Never stop man. I mean I put that saw that, but I guess I didn't quite put it together.
I did however write quite a long wall of text about this. Here is the part about overwriting.


One more question among many, and perhaps the most important one: Does synthesis change the way people think; rewrite them? I believe the short answer is yes, based on in-game evidence. Since there are many, many, many, quotes from characters stating they would only accept the reapers if they were dead, I’ll only cite what I thought to be the most important ones.

“Dead reapers are how we win this.” – Hackett

“Because the Reapers are repulsive. They are dedicated to nothing but self-preservation. I am different.” – EDI

“I am here to fight the Reapers. That is my purpose. My only purpose.I am the avatar of vengeance, the last voice of a dead race. I will avenge my people, no matter the cost.” – Javik

I chose these because, as far as I can remember, it is impossible to achieve synthesis with low enough EMS to have squadmates die, therefore Javik must survive. EDI and Hackett also must survive. What do squadmates think of being rewritten?

“If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will be something new in the same body.” – Samara

“That sounds dangerously close to indoctrination, unless there’s something I’m missing.” – Garrus
And perhaps the most applicable, seeing as how synthesis seems to create a utopia:

“If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I’d rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me.” - Jack

My point is, synthesis is a no win scenario. If it does not rewrite people, then Javik, Hackett, logically EDI, and many others would continue to fight the reapers. If they do not, they are rewritten and are therefore dead. As you can see, synthesis now raises more questions, and answers few. Not exactly what I’d call viewing the impacts of our choices.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Rifneno]

What would you guys think if they threw us a curveball? That it was a right/wrong choice... and handing it over was the right choice? For instance if we find something there that helps research a way to resist indoctrination, but TIM was already too far gone to have utilized it himself?

[Big_Boss9]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I was very surprised that the collector base decision didn't end up being a right or wrong one.

Maybe we'll explore the consequences of that choice during the Onega DLC.

I have a strong feeling it is actually a right/wrong choice (through IT) and that it will be in Omega, for many reasons.
I also expect there to be a MP announcement on monday, seeing as how Chris said he'll have tuesday's patch notes on monday. I think it would be a perfect time to put in DLC at the same time as a large patch. Furthermore, the Earth DLC trailer only came out the day before it came out, the monday. The most official warning we've had for MP DLC has been the friday before. It would be nothing new.
Since so many people think it's collectors, and there may be collectors in Omega, and because of BW's quietness on that, I doubt it isn't. Think about this: If it is collectors, it would make perfect sense to have Harbinger in MP. If he is in MP, it would make perfect sense for him to be in Omega, especially when you consider his steadily-increasing importance.

I need to go, see you tomorrow and say "Hi" to Estebanus for me!

I hope you're right, but part of me thinks they fixed the issue with the Adjutants and will be adding them in Omega/MP. And a patch? Finally? GLORIOUS. Now please add those missing MP mods so I have a reason to spend credits again.

[spotlessvoid]

Rifneno wrote...

What would you guys think if they threw us a curveball? That it was a right/wrong choice... and handing it over was the right choice? For instance if we find something there that helps research a way to resist indoctrination, but TIM was already too far gone to have utilized it himself?

How many here would immediately start a new play through?

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What would you guys think if they threw us a curveball? That it was a right/wrong choice... and handing it over was the right choice? For instance if we find something there that helps research a way to resist indoctrination, but TIM was already too far gone to have utilized it himself?

How many here would immediately start a new play through?

Not me.

...  I'd just hack my save with Gibbed's stuff.  God bless that man.

[Whole Particle]

Hey guys, first post in the IT thread.

I've looked into IT a bit, and the theory is still fascinating, IMO. (Still on the fence about whether it's actually going to happen or not.) One thing I have noticed about a few of the "Anti-ITers" is that they assume that IT means Shepard is already indoctrinated, which I don't believe is the case, it's about the indoctrination *attempt* on Shepard. (Just thought I'd help clear that up.)


Also, was there ever an in-depth analysis on that entire "1M1" aspect that written all over the Citadel? I had a partial theory going involving it, but wasn't sure how deeply it's been discussed though, wanted to hear other's thoughts on it first, if there were any.

[Big_Boss9]

Whole Particle wrote...

Hey guys, first post in the IT thread.

I've looked into IT a bit, and the theory is still fascinating, IMO. (Still on the fence about whether it's actually going to happen or not.) One thing I have noticed about a few of the "Anti-ITers" is that they assume that IT means Shepard is already indoctrinated, which I don't believe is the case, it's about the indoctrination *attempt* on Shepard. (Just thought I'd help clear that up.)


Also, was there ever an in-depth analysis on that entire "1M1" aspect that written all over the Citadel? I had a partial theory going involving it, but wasn't sure how deeply it's been discussed though, wanted to hear other's thoughts on it first, if there were any.

Welcome. And yes, it's the attempt that is key, which is why I bang my head against the wall every single time people bring up the Prothean VI's as "evidence" that Shep isn't indoctrinated. Also, re: your sig, that's a funny way to spell Typhoon.

[Whole Particle]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Welcome. And yes, it's the attempt that is key, which is why I bang my head against the wall every single time people bring up the Prothean VI's as "evidence" that Shep isn't indoctrinated. Also, re: your sig, that's a funny way to spell Typhoon.

Thanks. I also like the fact that Chris Priestly mentioned that  IT is still a valid ending interpretation (something along those lines I believe, don't remember the exact quote)

Also, made my sig pre -Typhoon Nerf, and Krysae was one of my favorite weapons, but yeah it could apply to Typhoon too.

Modifié par Whole Particle, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Bill Casey]

Noticed free will pops up a few times in the narrative...



Legion: We do not experience fear as you would, but we have no desire to be exterminated.
Shepard: Even if the Reapers cost the geth free will?
Legion: That is evidently an acceptable trade.


Edi: Do you think I should make modifications?
Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That's the point of free will.


Miranda Lawson: I fought against my father and his need to run every aspect of my life. He wanted total control over me, right down to my bloody DNA. I couldn't stand by and let it happen to my sister. I risked my life to get her away from all that. Yet I didn't give a second thought to destroying your free will when I had the power.
---
Shepard: Miranda, I lost two years of my life. You gave me back the rest of it. You could have changed me in a thousand different ways, but you didn't.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[BleedingUranium]

Bill Casey wrote...

Noticed free will pops up a few times in the narrative...



Legion: We do not experience fear as you would, but we have no desire to be exterminated.
Shepard: Even if the Reapers cost the geth free will?
Legion: That is evidently an acceptable trade.


Edi: Do you think I should make modifications?
Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That's the point of free will.


Miranda Lawson: I fought against my father and his need to run every aspect of my life. He wanted total control over me, right down to my bloody DNA. I couldn't stand by and let it happen to my sister. I risked my life to get her away from all that. Yet I didn't give a second thought to destroying your free will when I had the power.
---
Shepard: Miranda, I lost two years of my life. You gave me back the rest of it. You could have changed me in a thousand different ways, but you didn't.

More anti-synthesis (and control) quotes are always good

[Rifneno]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Hey guys, first post in the IT thread.

I've looked into IT a bit, and the theory is still fascinating, IMO. (Still on the fence about whether it's actually going to happen or not.) One thing I have noticed about a few of the "Anti-ITers" is that they assume that IT means Shepard is already indoctrinated, which I don't believe is the case, it's about the indoctrination *attempt* on Shepard. (Just thought I'd help clear that up.)


Also, was there ever an in-depth analysis on that entire "1M1" aspect that written all over the Citadel? I had a partial theory going involving it, but wasn't sure how deeply it's been discussed though, wanted to hear other's thoughts on it first, if there were any.

Welcome. And yes, it's the attempt that is key, which is why I bang my head against the wall every single time people bring up the Prothean VI's as "evidence" that Shep isn't indoctrinated. Also, re: your sig, that's a funny way to spell Typhoon.

We need a highfive smiley.  The typhoon nerf still makes me weep.  It's usable now that they fixed the recoil bug, but it's not where it should be damagewise.

[Whole Particle]

Rifneno wrote...

We need a highfive smiley. 

While not exactly "high fiving", thought I'd share that I did happen to create a few character smileys a month or so ago, (think it might have just gotten buried in the Fan Creations forum) if you or anyone else were interested in them.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Hey guys, first post in the IT thread.

I've looked into IT a bit, and the theory is still fascinating, IMO. (Still on the fence about whether it's actually going to happen or not.) One thing I have noticed about a few of the "Anti-ITers" is that they assume that IT means Shepard is already indoctrinated, which I don't believe is the case, it's about the indoctrination *attempt* on Shepard. (Just thought I'd help clear that up.)


Also, was there ever an in-depth analysis on that entire "1M1" aspect that written all over the Citadel? I had a partial theory going involving it, but wasn't sure how deeply it's been discussed though, wanted to hear other's thoughts on it first, if there were any.

Welcome. And yes, it's the attempt that is key, which is why I bang my head against the wall every single time people bring up the Prothean VI's as "evidence" that Shep isn't indoctrinated. Also, re: your sig, that's a funny way to spell Typhoon.

We need a highfive smiley.  The typhoon nerf still makes me weep.  It's usable now that they fixed the recoil bug, but it's not where it should be damagewise.

You can still kill an Atlas in a mag  Destroyer spec'd for max damage is a beast!

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

You can still kill an Atlas in a mag  Destroyer spec'd for max damage is a beast!

Stop playing YouTube Effect.  That's the atlas canopy bug and even then it's only possible with very specific setups.

[BleedingUranium]

Whole Particle wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

We need a highfive smiley. 

While not exactly "high fiving", thought I'd share that I did happen to create a few character smileys a month or so ago, (think it might have just gotten buried in the Fan Creations forum) if you or anyone else were interested in them.

Link saved!

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

You can still kill an Atlas in a mag  Destroyer spec'd for max damage is a beast!

Stop playing YouTube Effect.  That's the atlas canopy bug and even then it's only possible with very specific setups.

Dude, I literally just finished a game with it, no YouTube. Actually, I can't recall ever watching any MP gameplay there, for that matter.

[Whole Particle]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

We need a highfive smiley. 

While not exactly "high fiving", thought I'd share that I did happen to create a few character smileys a month or so ago, (think it might have just gotten buried in the Fan Creations forum) if you or anyone else were interested in them.

Link saved!

Cool, glad you liked it

[plfranke]

It's truly amazing some of the threads you see on here. The headcanon with no basis that people can come up with to justify the terrible literal endings is unbelievable. For instance, a while back there was one guy who swore that reaper nanites were what made synthesis possible and did not accept any arguments to the contrary even though he could not even list a definition of Reaper nanites lol. Then there's a new thread about Husks not being sentient, but like animals. It's people like this, that make me doubt the validity of IT. Because, just imagine, if one of these people wrote the ending what we would get. Exactly what we got lol