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[401 Kill]

Iconoclaste wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Remember the beginning of the game. A reaper shoots it's beam at the building that Shepard is in. While the beam does not hit Shepard, it blows him across the room and almost knocks him unconscious. That shot was not as close as Harbingers beam was during the beam run.

So, what's the "scientific" explanation behind this, in your view?

Did the "beam" hit the same "materials"? Was the "ground" in both scenes structurally the same? Was the "beam" exactly the same, first of all? Distance? Anything nwe didn't see in the "frame" that could account for differences?

I don't have a "scientific explanation for this view". I was merely pointing out that at that point in the game, the beam blows Shepard back as oposed to later, when Harbinger's beam (which strikes closer to Shepard) has little effect. Edit: Top twice in a row...

Modifié par 401 Kill, 29 septembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Hum, never noticed that there are actually 3 shots from Harbinger before the last that target Shepard, but all purposely miss. The first on the right, then left, then right in front of her. Also you can notice they are closer each time, like Harbinger is testing how close it has to shoot to fry the armor but without killing her.

[MegumiAzusa]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Shepard does not get a direct hit by Harbinger's "beam", it hits the ground and the rock / asphalt is "blown" to bit because of heat (rapid gas expansion inside the materials cracking it open). The explosions on the Geth Dreadnought are caused by impacts from Quarian heavy guns on and through the hull. The energy transferred from impacting masses is different from the energy of a laser-thingy super-heating materials. If the laser-thingy had the same effect as a "mass effect rail gun", it would blow the tanks open, not just "cut" through them. Same thing in space : the Reapers "cut" through hulls with their beams, they are not using their "mass effect" main gun.

Uhm, tell that to the flying tanks you see on the run...

They are not blown "open", they merely fly up a few meters and fall back, we don't see pieces and chunks flying everywhere. Is this realistic? How are they built? Do they have fuel? Batteries?

Do you know how "armor piercing bullets" work?

So you say the kinetic force of the little explosions on the Geth Dreadnaught is enough to collapse Sheps shields, but the kinetic force which hurls rocks and tanks isn't? Especially if the center of that force isn't even a meter away as opposed to about 2-3 meters on the Geth ship?
So you don't see pieces and chunks here?
http://thundermods.n...Lilith/cnk0.png
http://thundermods.n...Lilith/cnk1.png
http://thundermods.n...Lilith/cnk2.png

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 septembre 2012 - 03:55 .

[Iconoclaste]

401 Kill wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Remember the beginning of the game. A reaper shoots it's beam at the building that Shepard is in. While the beam does not hit Shepard, it blows him across the room and almost knocks him unconscious. That shot was not as close as Harbingers beam was during the beam run.

So, what's the "scientific" explanation behind this, in your view?

Did the "beam" hit the same "materials"? Was the "ground" in both scenes structurally the same? Was the "beam" exactly the same, first of all? Distance? Anything nwe didn't see in the "frame" that could account for differences?

I don't have a "scientific explanation for this view". I was merely pointing out that at that point in the game, the beam blows Shepard back as oposed to later, when Harbinger's beam (which strikes closer to Shepard) has little effect. Edit: Top twice in a row...

You don't really need hard science to see that Shepard is inside a building in the 1st scene, and on a solid road in the 2nd scene. For the same reason a thunderbolt will crack a tree in pieces, it will only make a spot on the ground. Energy is not absorbed by different materials / structures in the same way.

[Iconoclaste]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So you say the kinetic force of the little explosions on the Geth Dreadnaught is enough to collapse Sheps shields, but the kinetic force which hurls rocks and tanks isn't? Especially if the center of that force isn't even a meter away as opposed to about 2-3 meters on the Geth ship?

I'm not saying that, you are. What are the "explosions" you are referring to on the Geth ship, to start with?

[spotlessvoid]

FTL FTW
http://www.space.com...paceflight.html

[MegumiAzusa]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So you say the kinetic force of the little explosions on the Geth Dreadnaught is enough to collapse Sheps shields, but the kinetic force which hurls rocks and tanks isn't? Especially if the center of that force isn't even a meter away as opposed to about 2-3 meters on the Geth ship?

I'm not saying that, you are. What are the "explosions" you are referring to on the Geth ship, to start with?

lulz look at the screens I suggest.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[401 Kill]

Iconoclaste wrote...

You don't really need hard science to see that Shepard is inside a building in the 1st scene, and on a solid road in the 2nd scene. For the same reason a thunderbolt will crack a tree in pieces, it will only make a spot on the ground. Energy is not absorbed by different materials / structures in the same way.

Yes if a tree is struck by lightning, it will crack into pieces, and if it strikes the ground, it will absorb more energy. That doesn't mean that anyone standing near the tree when it is struck will go flying through the air, that is my point.

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

FTL FTW
http://www.space.com...paceflight.html

Ooh! I need to start saving up my money!

[Iconoclaste]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So you say the kinetic force of the little explosions on the Geth Dreadnaught is enough to collapse Sheps shields, but the kinetic force which hurls rocks and tanks isn't? Especially if the center of that force isn't even a meter away as opposed to about 2-3 meters on the Geth ship?

I'm not saying that, you are. What are the "explosions" you are referring to on the Geth ship, to start with?

lulz look at the screens I suggest.

"Kinetic force" is not at play in the Geth ship : it's a passing wave of electro-magnetic energy that depletes the shields, leaving you unprotected to enemy fire. You don't take "damage" from the wave.

[masster blaster]

Well I remember I founded out that Shepard does not get a direct hit by Harbingers beam. It was more like Shepard was flying back when the white light starts to cover the screen. Als o remember Anderson was with Shepard at the beginning of the game, and he was the one that called out Shepard's name to wake him up. My point is that what if the Reapers were about to start the Indoctrination attempt right there, but Anderson was in the way, and Shepard's willpower was to strong.

That is when the boy comes in after words, and that is when The Reapers order Cerberus to target Shepard's old friends, and the Reapers will help find and turn or kill Shepard's friends.

Mordin,Legion,and Thane weakend Shepard's moral, and if you didn't go recruit our old squade's then they die and that just weakens Shepard's will as a whole.

Thus we get to the run to the Conduit beam. Harbinger doesn't want to kill Shepard's friends/LI because that would be the breaking point for Shepard because we would have lost everything. Also notice Harbinger could have killed Shepard anytime, but Harbinger waited for the right moment to strike.

You see after Shepard says good bye to his LI, or friend, Harbinger is bosting in a sense because Shepard's friends are the only ones that can wake him up, and Harbinger couldn't have that. Yet Harbinger realizes that Anderson could still be out there, and he can't have that.

So when Shepard goes into his/her dream/Indoctrination attempt, Shepard creates Anderson in his/her head because Shepard knows that Anderson is still out there, thus brings up the hallway looking like the Collector base because Shepard's other mind is telling him/her " Hey haven't we seen this place already?"

[MegumiAzusa]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

So you say the kinetic force of the little explosions on the Geth Dreadnaught is enough to collapse Sheps shields, but the kinetic force which hurls rocks and tanks isn't? Especially if the center of that force isn't even a meter away as opposed to about 2-3 meters on the Geth ship?

I'm not saying that, you are. What are the "explosions" you are referring to on the Geth ship, to start with?

lulz look at the screens I suggest.

"Kinetic force" is not at play in the Geth ship : it's a passing wave of electro-magnetic energy that depletes the shields, leaving you unprotected to enemy fire. You don't take "damage" from the wave.

Now you're just trolling. And you didn't look at the screens I think.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[Iconoclaste]

401 Kill wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

You don't really need hard science to see that Shepard is inside a building in the 1st scene, and on a solid road in the 2nd scene. For the same reason a thunderbolt will crack a tree in pieces, it will only make a spot on the ground. Energy is not absorbed by different materials / structures in the same way.

Yes if a tree is struck by lightning, it will crack into pieces, and if it strikes the ground, it will absorb more energy. That doesn't mean that anyone standing near the tree when it is struck will go flying through the air, that is my point.

You just need to agree that the tree will be blown to pieces, it should be sufficient to have you understand that if Shepard was of the same relative size towards the tree as he was relatively to the floor in the 1st scene, he would be thrown up as well.

[Iconoclaste]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Now you're just trolling. And you didn't look at the screens I think.

Avoiding argument is not a way to prove your point.

[D.Sharrah]

spotlessvoid wrote...

FTL FTW
http://www.space.com...paceflight.html

Saw this story earlier...very interesting concept.  For those of that don't like to read or don't want to watch the video, the new thought is to create a warp bubble...then rather moving the vehicle, it is to move the "space" around the vehicle...sounds really promising!

[MegumiAzusa]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Now you're just trolling. And you didn't look at the screens I think.

Avoiding argument is not a way to prove your point.

Uhm just look at the screens and you will see I'm not talking about the electro magnetic wave. Which invalidates your argument in the first place.

[Iconoclaste]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Now you're just trolling. And you didn't look at the screens I think.

Avoiding argument is not a way to prove your point.

Uhm just look at the screens and you will see I'm not talking about the electro magnetic wave. Which invalidates your argument in the first place.

State your point clearly, if you are so convinced of it. Why do you keep pointing me elsewhere?

[Samtheman63]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Now you're just trolling. And you didn't look at the screens I think.

Avoiding argument is not a way to prove your point.

you're talking ****, no one has even mentioned the part with the electromagnetic wave

look at the screenshot

[Iconoclaste]

D.Sharrah wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

FTL FTW
http://www.space.com...paceflight.html

Saw this story earlier...very interesting concept.  For those of that don't like to read or don't want to watch the video, the new thought is to create a warp bubble...then rather moving the vehicle, it is to move the "space" around the vehicle...sounds really promising!

I read the article a while ago when it was first posted on this thread. Interesting theory, indeed. The 1st version was unrealistic because of the incredible amounts of energy required to realize it. With the 2nd "improved" version it will be interesting to see where that leads to.

[masster blaster]

Also notice that Shepard is wearing his/her N7 standered armor from the FRIST dream he/she has. Also it been riped to Shredds meaning this is Shepard's willpower, and it's been growing weaker everytime he/she losses some one close to him/her, failing missions, and the dreams he/she has been having about the kid.

[Iconoclaste]

Samtheman63 wrote...

you're talking ****, no one has even mentioned the part with the electromagnetic wave

look at the screenshot

I saw the "screenshot". Problem is, it's only a "screenshot", while an animated sequence would have been more appropriate in order to show what caused the shield to be depleted. In this set of the game, no one will believe such a weak argument based only on a screenshot. It surely is not the best argument to support IT, and by far...

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Also notice that Shepard is wearing his/her N7 standered armor from the FRIST dream he/she has. Also it been riped to Shredds meaning this is Shepard's willpower, and it's been growing weaker everytime he/she losses some one close to him/her, failing missions, and the dreams he/she has been having about the kid.

Uuhhh... That's because Shepard had no other armor in the first dream. You start out with your N7 armor, regardless, what happens.

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also notice that Shepard is wearing his/her N7 standered armor from the FRIST dream he/she has. Also it been riped to Shredds meaning this is Shepard's willpower, and it's been growing weaker everytime he/she losses some one close to him/her, failing missions, and the dreams he/she has been having about the kid.

Uuhhh... That's because Shepard had no other armor in the first dream. You start out with your N7 armor, regardless, what happens.

In any other dream Shep is wearing casual clothes.

[masster blaster]

Estebauns that's my point. Shepard is wearing the same armor from the first dream because it's symbollic. Think about it.The armor represents all of Shepard's willpower. Now when Shepard get's kocked out by Harbingers beam deepening on the armor you have on, it goes back to default armor. Yet this armor represents Shepard's willpower has been ripped apart, and can know be used against him/her.

[estebanus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also notice that Shepard is wearing his/her N7 standered armor from the FRIST dream he/she has. Also it been riped to Shredds meaning this is Shepard's willpower, and it's been growing weaker everytime he/she losses some one close to him/her, failing missions, and the dreams he/she has been having about the kid.

Uuhhh... That's because Shepard had no other armor in the first dream. You start out with your N7 armor, regardless, what happens.

In any other dream Shep is wearing casual clothes.

...You sure? My shepard always wore her armor in the dreams.