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[ElSuperGecko]

Speaking of Bioware talking - I remember the first month or so after Mass Effect 3 came out, and the devloper's Twitter accounts were saying things like:

"I WISH I could discuss this with you further/really want to talk about it but don't wany to give anything away"

Sometimes I wonder if there's something we're missing, whether it's a particluar interpretation or some hidden clue or whatever - something they're waiting for us (meaning ALL the fans, not just IT'ers) to pick up on, at which point they'll open the doors and start talking.

They've been incredibly tight-lipped so far about not just the endings, but the story in general. I imagine some of them itching to set the record straight.

Wishful thinkng, I guess...

[BleedingUranium]

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

My biggest problems with assuming anything about the decision chamber is real is that 1. How/why/and by whom the crucible was designed 2. If starchild was changed by the crucible, why does he have Harbinger try and kill Shepard? 3. What was the control panel? What the heck is the decision chamber then?

If starchild is causing Shepard to hallucinate and synthesis and control are traps, while destroy is successfully interacting with the control panel-why would starchild present destroy at all?

And why is Shepard in rubble if he just pushed a button on the control panel?

This is why I think IT Con is flawed.
If the Kid had control of the elevator (what I assume) he brought up Shepard to let him make a choice. It is stated that the Kid has the control to activate the different devices, which are part of the Citadel not the Crucible! If the Kid's desire is to lure Shepard into Control and/or Synthesis, why present Destroy? 
A common answer to this question is that the absence of Destroy would alarm Shepard that maybe something is wrong with the whole situation. I think this is perfectly possible.
But in IT Con it is stated that by choosing Destroy, you actually destroy the reapers. That is just dumb.
Why should the reapers risk their very existence just to have the chance to indoctrinate a simple human (though special in some ways)?

If I were the Kid and I would try to lure Shepard into my trap, I would offer him Destroy, but it would only be a dummy/mock-up. If Shepard chooses Control/Synthesis, his mind is mine! If he chooses Destroy, I know that he did not pass my test (from the Kid's POV) and that I cannot indoctrinate him. But Shepard would just shoot a tube of the A/C of Sha'ira's and nothing important would happen (e.g. Shepard would stand there in the chamber like at the Refuse ending and see the cycle continue).

The breath scene is the last nail in the coffin of IT Con. If it takes place on the Citadel, just look up Crucible Energy Emission in my signature. If it takes place on Earth/London, it equals IT Dream.

Yet, you cannot reason with TTG about that.

For IT Con to make sense, there would only be one choice. A large red button, and the kid tells you it will destroy the Reapers, but in fact it will do something else, that's bad for you. Needing to present destroy, and even presenting it at all, can only make sense in standard IT.

[401 Kill]

Restrider wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I want to know more about Keeper 20. It felt like Bioware was planing something with that keeper, but then nothing happened in ME3. That makes me wonder if in the Citadel dlc Keeper 20 will bring up new info we haven't come up with yet.

I'm very sorry, but what is keeper 20? I have heard it mentioned before but I'm not familiar with that aspect of Mass Effect. (Does it have anything to do with the keeper scanning side mission in ME?)

Check this out.
Btw: I'd like to know what happened to the guy trying to get into Afterlife in ME2!

Thank you! That is very... Interesting.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

My biggest problems with assuming anything about the decision chamber is real is that 1. How/why/and by whom the crucible was designed 2. If starchild was changed by the crucible, why does he have Harbinger try and kill Shepard? 3. What was the control panel? What the heck is the decision chamber then?

If starchild is causing Shepard to hallucinate and synthesis and control are traps, while destroy is successfully interacting with the control panel-why would starchild present destroy at all?

And why is Shepard in rubble if he just pushed a button on the control panel?

This is why I think IT Con is flawed.
If the Kid had control of the elevator (what I assume) he brought up Shepard to let him make a choice. It is stated that the Kid has the control to activate the different devices, which are part of the Citadel not the Crucible! If the Kid's desire is to lure Shepard into Control and/or Synthesis, why present Destroy? 
A common answer to this question is that the absence of Destroy would alarm Shepard that maybe something is wrong with the whole situation. I think this is perfectly possible.
But in IT Con it is stated that by choosing Destroy, you actually destroy the reapers. That is just dumb.
Why should the reapers risk their very existence just to have the chance to indoctrinate a simple human (though special in some ways)?

If I were the Kid and I would try to lure Shepard into my trap, I would offer him Destroy, but it would only be a dummy/mock-up. If Shepard chooses Control/Synthesis, his mind is mine! If he chooses Destroy, I know that he did not pass my test (from the Kid's POV) and that I cannot indoctrinate him. But Shepard would just shoot a tube of the A/C of Sha'ira's and nothing important would happen (e.g. Shepard would stand there in the chamber like at the Refuse ending and see the cycle continue).

The breath scene is the last nail in the coffin of IT Con. If it takes place on the Citadel, just look up Crucible Energy Emission in my signature. If it takes place on Earth/London, it equals IT Dream.

Yet, you cannot reason with TTG about that.

I agree. My first interpretation was IT con. Then I realized it just doesn't work.

I think David Kang is going through the same stages, but Twilight God, well... never mind.

Leviathan took all my doubts away.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[masster blaster]

Thanks DD. Ya I wonder if this Keeper holds a missing clue about The Reapers, The Leviathans, and Shepard him/herself. Also another puzzle to IT.

[Restrider]

BleedingUranium wrote...
For IT Con to make sense, there would only be one choice. A large red button, and the kid tells you it will destroy the Reapers, but in fact it will do something else, that's bad for you. Needing to present destroy, and even presenting it at all, can only make sense in standard IT.

You could explain it that Shepard has to genuinely make the choice for Control/Synthesis. I know that this is a concept more related to IT Dream. If he chooses Destroy, he shows that his state of mind is not ready to side with the reapers. But as Destroy would only be a mock-up, the Destroy ending would equate to Refuse since the other choices are worse.
But this is not classic IT Con, you are right. And I am not trying to defend that theory.
Kind of telling that TTG somehow acts if he is the owner of IT Con and the only one that has the right to contribute to it in any way. It is like the evil twin of IT Dream. I suppose that his sometimes arrogant behaviour has had a fair part in the hatred that IT in general causes.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Thanks DD. Ya I wonder if this Keeper holds a missing clue about The Reapers, The Leviathans, and Shepard him/herself. Also another puzzle to IT.

Maybe the Keeper that takes Coats' helmet off is Keeper 20.
Btw, did Keeper 20 kill a krogan in the first video?

[BansheeOwnage]

Head on over to this thread for some lolz!
http://social.biowar...3006/7#14294654
Overwhelm them!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:22 .

[BleedingUranium]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Thanks DD. Ya I wonder if this Keeper holds a missing clue about The Reapers, The Leviathans, and Shepard him/herself. Also another puzzle to IT.

Maybe the Keeper that takes Coats' helmet off is Keeper 20.
Btw, did Keeper 20 kill a krogan in the first video?

That's what it looks like. Maybe the Keepers get violent if people try to get into the deep, unexplored parts of the Citadel?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Keeper 20

masster blaster wrote...

Thanks DD. Ya I wonder if this Keeper holds a missing clue about The Reapers, The Leviathans, and Shepard him/herself. Also another puzzle to IT.

Keeper 20 is awesome. Nobody has any idea what's up with it.

But I was referring to your symbolic interpretation of the ending sequence earlier.

At first glance I thought you were crazy. Then I thought it was actually really cool.

You must have a very associative mind that sometimes lets you come up with outlandish things, and at other times you make these really intriguing connections. It's awesome.

[masster blaster]

I don't know Uranim That would be very interesting if Keeper 20 is the Leader of the Keepers, and if you go into the heart of the Citadel, you will find something Shepard/us the player can not comprhend.

[masster blaster]

Banshee you link doesn't work.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Banshee you link doesn't work.

I know. It was designed to be copy/pasted.  But anyway...
http://social.biowar...3006/7#14294778

[masster blaster]

Thanks DD. Yet I want to know what lies in the Heart of the Citadel. What if that is were we can find the last clue to the endings, and IT all together in the very Keeper tunnels.

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Banshee you link doesn't work.

I know. It was designed to be copy/pasted.  But anyway...
http://social.biowar...3006/7#14294778

That thread makes me want to go on a murderous rampage. "What I stated was fact, the ending was bad writing" How stupid can you be. The lack of the usage of the brain is mind boggling.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Big_Boss9]

Restrider wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I want to know more about Keeper 20. It felt like Bioware was planing something with that keeper, but then nothing happened in ME3. That makes me wonder if in the Citadel dlc Keeper 20 will bring up new info we haven't come up with yet.

I'm very sorry, but what is keeper 20? I have heard it mentioned before but I'm not familiar with that aspect of Mass Effect. (Does it have anything to do with the keeper scanning side mission in ME?)

Check this out.
Btw: I'd like to know what happened to the guy trying to get into Afterlife in ME2!

I thought that was just an easter egg/Bioware making fun of themselves because a Keeper would sometimes bug in ME1 and vanish, rendering the Keeper sidequest impossible to finish. So, they created those amusing scenarios of where it had gone instead. At least, that's what I got out of it, but I suppose anything's possible.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I want to know more about Keeper 20. It felt like Bioware was planing something with that keeper, but then nothing happened in ME3. That makes me wonder if in the Citadel dlc Keeper 20 will bring up new info we haven't come up with yet.

I'm very sorry, but what is keeper 20? I have heard it mentioned before but I'm not familiar with that aspect of Mass Effect. (Does it have anything to do with the keeper scanning side mission in ME?)

Check this out.
Btw: I'd like to know what happened to the guy trying to get into Afterlife in ME2!

I thought that was just an easter egg/Bioware making fun of themselves because a Keeper would sometimes bug in ME1 and vanish, rendering the Keeper sidequest impossible to finish. So, they created those amusing scenarios of where it had gone instead. At least, that's what I got out of it, but I suppose anything's possible.

That would make sense, actually. There are 21 Keepers to scan, so...

[DoomsdayDevice]

Oh boy lol.

I done gone and posted in a Control support thread.

http://social.biowar...44/163#14294892

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Oh boy lol.

I done gone and posted in a Control support thread.

http://social.biowar...44/163#14294892

Owned man. Owned. Too bad it won't do anything. It seems like the IT thread are the Salarians of BSN.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Thanks DD. Yet I want to know what lies in the Heart of the Citadel. What if that is were we can find the last clue to the endings, and IT all together in the very Keeper tunnels.

Expect this to be in the heart of the Citadel and the leader of the Keepers!

[401 Kill]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Oh boy lol.

I done gone and posted in a Control support thread.

http://social.biowar...44/163#14294892

Uh-Oh.

[masster blaster]

So is it just me or have we lately been going from thread to thread telling, and arguing with everyone that IT is not dead, nor did Bioware say it was?

Also to me the only things I get out of it all is.

1. Bioware did not plan IT and that is that.

2. So long as IT is not proven right, then it's fine you can talk about your fan made theory.

3. Your a Zealot

4. It would make the endings even worse.

5. It is stupid and weak.

6. Bad writing.

7. Lazy Bioware.



I mean come on we ITer's WNTer's, and some other people defend Bioware, and ME3. Althoughtthe people that defend Bioware also like Control, and Synthesis. Gage.

[Samtheman63]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Oh boy lol.

I done gone and posted in a Control support thread.

http://social.biowar...44/163#14294892

loooooooooool

[401 Kill]

Samtheman63 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Oh boy lol.

I done gone and posted in a Control support thread.

http://social.biowar...44/163#14294892

loooooooooool

They just got owned, that thread fell silent after those posts... Remember, we are not here to troll.

[Samtheman63]

agreed, i have stopped


for now