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[masster blaster]

Hey Kelly.    i win bansheey.

Modifié par masster blaster, 29 septembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[MajorKellyRisner]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey Kelly.    i win bansheey.

Just here to gather and research the information further...I will stand firm on my view though.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Hows everyones day today? I see were venturing out and crushing poorly made arguments from the naysayers. Good stuff.

[Davik Kang]

Sorry to repost this, but as it's a bit slow in here, what do you IT guys think about this?

Davik Kang wrote...
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Also, the Refuse point brings me to something I wanted to ask you IT guys.  Destroy is the only ending where Shepard can rise, post-battle, in London, but as I understand it, many of you guys think that Shepard is unconscious in London all the way through the end.  So why doesn't he wake up after all of the endings?  

You could say that it's because, if he has become indoctrinated, he is no longer Shepard.  But this doesn't apply to Refuse.  Do you think that by refusing, he gives up on life and dies on the battlefield instead?

[masster blaster]

That's fine Kelly. I recommend you watch the videos all of them. Thenif you want ask Banshee for some info about what we have found. He archives what we have found/come up with.

[Davik Kang]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Hows everyones day today? I see were venturing out and crushing poorly made arguments from the naysayers. Good stuff.

It was too much fun.  I really need to grow up.

[masster blaster]

Nothing really GethPrime, how is the IT site going. Have you almost completed it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Davik Kang wrote...

Sorry to repost this, but as it's a bit slow in here, what do you IT guys think about this?

Davik Kang wrote...
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Also, the Refuse point brings me to something I wanted to ask you IT guys.  Destroy is the only ending where Shepard can rise, post-battle, in London, but as I understand it, many of you guys think that Shepard is unconscious in London all the way through the end.  So why doesn't he wake up after all of the endings?  

You could say that it's because, if he has become indoctrinated, he is no longer Shepard.  But this doesn't apply to Refuse.  Do you think that by refusing, he gives up on life and dies on the battlefield instead?

Because the ending is supposed to be a test. The ultimate illusion. Nobody would be arguing the validity of synthesis or control if Shepard woke up in rubble because Shepard dies in those endings. Waking up means you passed the test. You resisted indoctrination and were not turned by the enemy. It means there is still hope for the galaxy. There is no hope in refuse. Refuse is giving up. Epic speech aside, Shepard gives up and doesnt try to resist.

[spotlessvoid]

TSA_383 wrote...

Have I missed anything important in 35 pages?

We came up with a theory that suggests the ending was a hallucination

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Hey, has that new IT video come out on youtube yet? If it has, can I have a link?

[GethPrimeMKII]

masster blaster wrote...

Nothing really GethPrime, how is the IT site going. Have you almost completed it.

Ill worj on my google doc later. Im more interested in beginning work on my new theory. The Stupid Player Theory.

[masster blaster]

What will it be about Gethprime, and when will it be done?

[Davik Kang]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Because the ending is supposed to be a test. The ultimate illusion. Nobody would be arguing the validity of synthesis or control if Shepard woke up in rubble because Shepard dies in those endings. Waking up means you passed the test. You resisted indoctrination and were not turned by the enemy. It means there is still hope for the galaxy. There is no hope in refuse. Refuse is giving up. Epic speech aside, Shepard gives up and doesnt try to resist.

I see.  So you consider that, if you refuse, you are indoctrinated?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The IT thread is still here? Well... let me know if you guys manage to secure us a "refusal victory" ending.

[BleedingUranium]

Davik Kang wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Because the ending is supposed to be a test. The ultimate illusion. Nobody would be arguing the validity of synthesis or control if Shepard woke up in rubble because Shepard dies in those endings. Waking up means you passed the test. You resisted indoctrination and were not turned by the enemy. It means there is still hope for the galaxy. There is no hope in refuse. Refuse is giving up. Epic speech aside, Shepard gives up and doesnt try to resist.

I see.  So you consider that, if you refuse, you are indoctrinated?

No, you reject the choices, and thus are not indoctrinated. But you give up, and stop fighting, and stay trapped in your own mind, just like in Leviathan.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Davik Kang wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Because the ending is supposed to be a test. The ultimate illusion. Nobody would be arguing the validity of synthesis or control if Shepard woke up in rubble because Shepard dies in those endings. Waking up means you passed the test. You resisted indoctrination and were not turned by the enemy. It means there is still hope for the galaxy. There is no hope in refuse. Refuse is giving up. Epic speech aside, Shepard gives up and doesnt try to resist.

I see.  So you consider that, if you refuse, you are indoctrinated?

Its more like being mentally broken by the process of indoctrination. It explains why Starbinger becomes furious. What good is Shepard if he is too mentally weak to succumb to indoctrination? With destroy, he resists for now, but his mind is intact and still suceptible to future indoctrination attempts. With refuse, Shepard might as well be a husk. He is in no shape mentally to be of use to the Reapers. Hes broken.

[Dark Delta 06]

Just a quick question, and please dont think I'm anti IT, I support IT and like it a lot, and believe it should be both the "real" ending and a doorway to ME4, but I've had this question.

If IT is true then the stargazer scene doesn't make much sense or am I understanding it wrong?

[plfranke]

Dark Delta 06 wrote...

Just a quick question, and please dont think I'm anti IT, I support IT and like it a lot, and believe it should be both the "real" ending and a doorway to ME4, but I've had this question.

If IT is true then the stargazer scene doesn't make much sense or am I understanding it wrong?

the stargazer scene doesn't make sense in any interperetation of the ending.

Also do those "LOL IT THREAD IS STILL HERE?" posts get on anyone else's nerves? Yes it's still here, it's been here on the top page for months and months, and you know damn well it's been here you trolls.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Dark Delta 06 wrote...

Just a quick question, and please dont think I'm anti IT, I support IT and like it a lot, and believe it should be both the "real" ending and a doorway to ME4, but I've had this question.

If IT is true then the stargazer scene doesn't make much sense or am I understanding it wrong?

The stargazer scene never made any sense.  *Kanye shrug*

[spotlessvoid]

Stargazer NEVER makes sense. It seems to be extra-narrative ...as in not "part" of the game

[Davik Kang]

plfranke wrote...
the stargazer scene doesn't make sense in any interperetation of the ending.

??

It makes perfect sense in my interpretation.

Though I should point out that that interpretation is currently being deconstructed by spotlessvoid, and possibly (hopefully) various others, over the next couple of days

[Dark Delta 06]

Well it does make some sense in refusal... By what i've seen on youtube, because i chose destroy
But I agree in any other ending and from a IT point of view it's kind of strange...

[spotlessvoid]

Stargazer implies humans are on another planet in a future without space travel and no aliens. Lol wut?

[Dark Delta 06]

Didn't someone from bioware confirmed the mass relays could be rebuilt? If so space travel could be achieved after some years... Why no aliens?

[demersel]

Stargazer's scene makes perfect sense. It implies that humans are there on a distant planet, raising thier children into a glaxy full of mystery and wonder and discovery - I.E. - NO REAPERS so the galaxy is there for you to do anything you want.

To summ things up - reapers are beaten, shepard plays part in it, and therse is more to the story than already told in ME1 ME2 and ME3.

Makes perfect sense.

Also it tells me personally that in fact reapers have NO WAY OF SURVIVING after events of ME3 - everything is already set in motion. No matter how much time it takes, how many lives will be lost - the reapers are already history. They just don't know it yet.

An interesting thing that EC add is refuse - See, it's like the ending to ME2 where shepard dies - no win scenario there, but in ME3 the things you do before you get hit by the beam - they provide a way to victory. Curiously the survival of your cycle depends on shepard's life (whether he is indoctrinated or not seems to be irrelevant for this - which opens up some itneresting possibilities storywise for ME4).


Also, for some reason, in my head it is old joker who tells the story. But that is really unimportant. (if only the fact that he is known to exxagerate things and treat small details loosely. )

Most impostantly the Stargazer scene tells you straight to your face - that is not the whole story. 
- Did that all really happen?
-....weeeell.... 

Modifié par demersel, 30 septembre 2012 - 12:41 .