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[MegumiAzusa]

TSA_383 wrote...

Have I missed anything important in 35 pages?

I would selfishly suggest:

or

Harby is shooting Shep 3 times before the last shot. It seems it tests out how close it has to be to fry the armor etc without killing Shep as every shot gets closer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FhYdZadBe4
then there is a strange light in the Geth Dreadnaught and one deck that has a completely different coloring from the rest of the ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVrIArg7w_Q
and finally we have dat architecture.

Also my selfmade favorite for the last days

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 septembre 2012 - 12:43 .

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

- Did that all really happen?
-....weeeell....

There is even an alternate version of this in the game files where it specifically asks: Is that a true story?
or: Is it all true?

Why even ask that question, and create 3 different versions of it to get a good wording, if it's not important?

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 septembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[Humakt83]

Harbinger certainly one-shots everyone else approaching the beam. There's no doubt he wants Shepard alive.

Probably fourth time I've said this.

Modifié par Humakt83, 30 septembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[demersel]

By the way! there is a chasm in that geth dreadnought video - it is almost exaclty similiar to the chasm we have on the citadel - i thought that thing looked familiar - no i can pinpoint it.

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

By the way! there is a chasm in that geth dreadnought video - it is almost exaclty similiar to the chasm we have on the citadel - i thought that thing looked familiar - no i can pinpoint it.

Yes, and I facepalmed myself for stopping the video so soon as a few second later the camera basically zoomed in on that again, but it was 6am so I did want to go to bed soon

[spotlessvoid]

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

[plfranke]

Davik Kang wrote...

plfranke wrote...
the stargazer scene doesn't make sense in any interperetation of the ending.

??

It makes perfect sense in my interpretation.

Though I should point out that that interpretation is currently being deconstructed by spotlessvoid, and possibly (hopefully) various others, over the next couple of days

If I must tear your interperetation apart Davik Kang, I will.

[Davik Kang]

plfranke wrote...
If I must tear your interperetation apart Davik Kang, I will.

Ok good stuff.  There is masses of it though!  If you're already convinced of its falsehood before you've even seen it, I have the sneakiest suspicion that you probably won't have the energy to read through the whole lot.

Not trying to be antagonistic btw, I honestly do hope that you do find the flaws and contradictions etc.  And there's plenty of eyebrow-raising speculation too.

[plfranke]

Davik Kang wrote...

plfranke wrote...
If I must tear your interperetation apart Davik Kang, I will.

Ok good stuff.  There is masses of it though!  If you're already convinced of its falsehood before you've even seen it, I have the sneakiest suspicion that you probably won't have the energy to read through the whole lot.

Not trying to be antagonistic btw, I honestly do hope that you do find the flaws and contradictions etc.  And there's plenty of eyebrow-raising speculation too.

It was actually just a quote from Harbinger, but if you really insist I'll go look at it. Page number?

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[plfranke]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

What are you talking about

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

You sound as if you don't even want a new ending.

[spotlessvoid]

Stargeezer acts like he's never heard of Turians,Asari,Krogan etc. He talks about other worlds and the possible life that could exist there like nobody knows

The path the Reapers created is only bad because it ends in the harvest. No reapers, no harvest....

[estebanus]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

You sound as if you don't even want a new ending.

It's also not essential to the validity of the IT. ME3 doesn't need a new ending for the IT to be true.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he's never heard of Turians,Asari,Krogan etc. He talks about other worlds and the possible life that could exist there like nobody knows

The path the Reapers created is only bad because it ends in the harvest. No reapers, no harvest....

No, he just told a story with all of these. What he is saying is that additionally to the species mentioned countless others exist.

[spotlessvoid]

Also, stargeezer acts like they don't even have computers to store information. What about history books? The details have been lost to time he says. Very long ago he says. What ever you can imagine he says. He's either some senile backwater planet raising his kid Amish style or it's not "real"

[Iconoclaste]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he's never heard of Turians,Asari,Krogan etc. He talks about other worlds and the possible life that could exist there like nobody knows

The path the Reapers created is only bad because it ends in the harvest. No reapers, no harvest....

No.

The whole "Shepard story" is told to the kid by Stargazer, so you can be sure that he mentioned lots of things the player saw, minus "some details that were lost in time".

Stargazer is talking to a child that asks if he will be able to travel to space himself someday, to which any adult would reasonably answer "When you'll reach legal age to drive, kid". I don't see anything else there.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 30 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he's never heard of Turians,Asari,Krogan etc. He talks about other worlds and the possible life that could exist there like nobody knows

The path the Reapers created is only bad because it ends in the harvest. No reapers, no harvest....

No, he just told a story with all of these. What he is saying is that additionally to the species mentioned countless others exist.

Actually, his wording implies that they're unsure of what life exists on other planets. But yes, you're right. I should have said he acts like Turian, Asari, Krogan aren't still out there.

[Iconoclaste]

"Actually his wording implies... "

Come on, for the 3rd time : Stargazer told "The Story" to the kid, what is there more to explain?

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he's never heard of Turians,Asari,Krogan etc. He talks about other worlds and the possible life that could exist there like nobody knows

The path the Reapers created is only bad because it ends in the harvest. No reapers, no harvest....

oh, but no you're just being silly.  He is the one telling the story after all. And the shepard's story is full of asari turians and krogans.   He just toll three games worth of story, and your saying he doesn't have any idea or concept of turians asari and krogan?   I think you'll want ot rethink your statement. ))

[spotlessvoid]

Stargeezer doesn't act like the universe he describes is anything like what exists. It happened long ago but the kid acts like "the stars" are some unknown thing. It's ridiculous to think the kid has not received some education on the galaxy. It's like technology is set back to the 20th century

[spotlessvoid]

Actually, his wording implies that they're unsure of what life exists on other planets AT THIS POINT IN TIME But yes, you're right. I should have said he acts like Turian, Asari,Krogan aren't still out there.

Get it now?

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 30 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

estebanus wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

You sound as if you don't even want a new ending.

It's also not essential to the validity of the IT. ME3 doesn't need a new ending for the IT to be true.

I thought the very purpose of the indoctrination theory and this topic was to get a new ending.  The rest of you can believe what you want, but I'm not going to justify the garbage ending that we were originally given (or the EC, for that matter).

[BansheeOwnage]

Estebanus?

[demersel]

estebanus wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stargeezer acts like he doesn't know about other life forms. Where's the interwebz, what kind of schooling is that kid getting that he has no idea about the other galactic species. Sorry demersel, you're totally wrong in this one

Really? What makes you say that i'm wrong? You don't seem to get the essence of what i was saying.  - they can very well be isolated, humanity can be scattered. And yes one other thing it implies - that there seems to be no relay network. And some event that coused the technology wipeout at some point. Some sort of set to the default.   If you ask me - the destruction of relay network and the citadel is nessary to beat the reapers. The galaxy cannot be free of them ,as long as the civilizations develop along the path desired by the reapers (cause it has only one destination - reapers.)  the final sequences - it could be that shepard reaches into the thoughts of the reapers - and sees what must be done to truly get rid of them. Before EC - the relays got destroyed in every ending. that is the ONE thing that was common and new. And it is certainly not what shapard desired at any point - not even thought of the possibility of that. And that i think is truly the end of reapers - in ME3 ending  shepard got an aswer! Figured the real way ot beat them. 

You sound as if you don't even want a new ending.

It's also not essential to the validity of the IT. ME3 doesn't need a new ending for the IT to be true.

exactly. I don't want a new ending. I want more of the story.  Mass Realys network destroyed, along with the citadel - it is the perfect, and really the only possible ending to mass effect . It is the crucible and godchild part that i don't buy. And really with the EC all the ending are now sunshine and bunnies, + unicorns and rainbows. If anything EC made the endings LESS believable.  In original it felt like the right ending, but through the wrong means - no it all just seem wrong, as if screeming - "You're not there yet!"