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[BansheeOwnage]

Assume for a moment that IT isn't true. Why did Casey Hudson want speculation? Is is because he wanted people to discuss something that doesn't exist? That would be horrible and cruel to the fans!
Is it at all plausible that the entire studio was okay with that ending at face value? I find that hard to believe...

Thoughts?

I'm on top! 
(Thoughts?)

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[Davik Kang]

Not entirely related, but if you were to accept the StarKid's reasoning and go with control ot synthesis, you could then argue that the Destroy pickers are themselves indoctrinated, doing what the Alliance Military, the Council, Anderson and Hackett say, without questioning.

Pretty unrelated actually. Still, I don't care, I'm about to fall asleep on the keyboard...

[BansheeOwnage]

FreddyCast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I came to the conclusion in real life that leadership is a subtle form of indoctrination, so it makes sense.

Could it also be that Shepard has developed/is developing the perfect will, the human spirit, to resist successfully indoctrination, thus making all species with indoctrination-like powers obsolete? Those with true leadership skills are the ones with this kind of will. Shepard can't be the only one. He's been hanging around with the best, Garrus, Vega, Wrex, etc. but that's just me.

Javik. You could not indoctrinate Javik. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could ever convince him to let the reapers live at all. Ever. Period.

[Iconoclaste]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I came to the conclusion in real life that leadership is a subtle form of indoctrination, so it makes sense.

I''m meaning an indoctrination ability in a sci-fi sense, like telepathy or mind reading. Biological indoctrination as opposed to using machines though.

Leadership in real life can be viewed as a subtle form of literal indoctrination I suppose.

From google:

Indoctrinate: Teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically: "broadcasting was a vehicle for indoctrinating the masses".

But of course indoctrination is a "real world" phenomenon, it was not "invented" with Mass Effect games! Only difference here is that the Reapers use other means than philosophy and convincing rhetoric to achieve it.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 30 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Assume for a moment that IT isn't true. Why did Casey Hudson want speculation? Is is because he wanted people to discuss something that doesn't exist? That would be horrible and cruel to the fans!
Is it at all plausible that the entire studio was okay with that ending at face value? I find that hard to believe...

Thoughts?

I'm on top! 
(Thoughts?)

Maybe he wanted the fans to come up with a plausible ending, so he can implement it. Or maybe it was simply ment to get people talking about it, thus, increase the popularity of the game.

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...

Not entirely related, but if you were to accept the StarKid's reasoning and go with control ot synthesis, you could then argue that the Destroy pickers are themselves indoctrinated, doing what the Alliance Military, the Council, Anderson and Hackett say, without questioning.

Pretty unrelated actually. Still, I don't care, I'm about to fall asleep on the keyboard...

No, you can't, not in the sense of Reaper Indoctrination. Real life indoctrination, sure. But that doesn't really matter, because I thought about each choice without much concern for orders, and came to the conclusion that destroy is the best choice.

[BansheeOwnage]

Iconoclaste wrote...

But of course indoctrination is a "real world" phenomenon, it was not "invented" with Mass Effect games! Only difference here is that the Reapers use other means than philosophy and convincing rhetoric to achieve it.

Thank you, good sir, for telling us something everyone here knows!

[FreddyCast]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey Freddy how have you been, and are you still making Videos?

Hey master blaster,
I'm done with making ME IT vids, I think I've done enough to support IT. All I can do is just wait for our vindication or our hearts crushed.
Right now I'm going to switch to making my first ever screwed and choped music vid. And I'm by no means an expert on it, so I'm wingin it.

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Assume for a moment that IT isn't true. Why did Casey Hudson want speculation? Is is because he wanted people to discuss something that doesn't exist? That would be horrible and cruel to the fans!
Is it at all plausible that the entire studio was okay with that ending at face value? I find that hard to believe...

Thoughts?

I'm on top! 
(Thoughts?)

2001:Space Odyssey is popular for having such a bizarre and ambiguous ending, even though the makers weren't exactly aiming for ambiguity to began with.  But they embraced it, because the speculation gave the film an added power, an added quality.

So they could have gone with the speculation to make the game more intersting than it otherwise would be.

What I'd be interested to know is whether they themselves have an intended version of events, or whether the entire construction of the closing scenes is purely intended to invite speculation.  But that's another story.

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
No, you can't, not in the sense of Reaper Indoctrination. Real life indoctrination, sure. But that doesn't really matter, because I thought about each choice without much concern for orders, and came to the conclusion that destroy is the best choice.

I know, I didn't mean in the Reaper indoctrination sense.  And I also came to the same conclusion as you under the same circumstances as you.  Was just a passing thought.  Not relevant to the OP or current discussion at all.

[His Name was HYR!!]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Assume for a moment that IT isn't true. Why did Casey Hudson want speculation? Is is because he wanted people to discuss something that doesn't exist? That would be horrible and cruel to the fans!

Plenty of non-IT speculation material exists.

[Iconoclaste]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

But of course indoctrination is a "real world" phenomenon, it was not "invented" with Mass Effect games! Only difference here is that the Reapers use other means than philosophy and convincing rhetoric to achieve it.

Thank you, good sir, for telling us something everyone here knows!

You realize that indoctrination is at work, right here on this thread?

Who are the "Reapers", and what are they trying to obtain?

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Assume for a moment that IT isn't true. Why did Casey Hudson want speculation? Is is because he wanted people to discuss something that doesn't exist? That would be horrible and cruel to the fans!
Is it at all plausible that the entire studio was okay with that ending at face value? I find that hard to believe...

Thoughts?

I'm on top! 
(Thoughts?)

Maybe he wanted the fans to come up with a plausible ending, so he can implement it. Or maybe it was simply ment to get people talking about it, thus, increase the popularity of the game.

That's a pretty funny yet sad theory.
Casey Husdon, having no more time to complete ME3, decides to see what the best fan-made ending is post-launch, and implement it with DLC!
Seriously lol. (Though, I wouldn't mind at all, considering IT is almost the only one.)
And if he thought it would increase the popularity of the game, well... that sure backfired.

It's come to the point where no one even cares who's right or what happens at the end or even if it makes any sense.
What people want is closure. Still, until I see my little blue children, I will not have closure. Period. Closure involves Shepard, and Shepard's squad/LI. Just thinking about that makes me so

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...

What I'd be interested to know is whether they themselves have an intended version of events, or whether the entire construction of the closing scenes is purely intended to invite speculation.  But that's another story.

I'm gonna go with yes. Mac Walters said before ME3's release that they new all the answers to ME (he gave reaper origins as an example), but they didn't want to tell us everything, at least not yet. So I wonder what Casey/Mac's version of the game is.

[masster blaster]

Yes Banshee I see, and I find it funny that Bioware sticks up for us when ever we are being hammared at. If you think I think Bioware likes IT.

Why did Chris create an IT poll if they didn't intenede it. Why not kill IT when it was in it's infant form. Why keep saying we will comfirm, no deni IT, if IT was not what they had in mind. Why did Chris want us to keep speculating. There are lost of therads on here that go off topic, yet he himeslf came here and told use to speculate.

Hell we had an DA Person said we are doing great. There were so many times Bioware could have let us go, and there are so many times we could have just quit, yet we/ they don't. So I will ask you Banshee, and everyone this.

Do you ever wonder why we are here?


Without ME3's endings we would have never gotten to know one another, nor would I have meet all of you.

[MegumiAzusa]

Hmm interesting... more reasons to believe Ilos/Vigil was a ruse:
When talking with Shiala:
Shep: Do you know what the conduit is, or where it is?
Shiala: No, I'm sorry. All I know is that Saren believes the conduit was the key to the Prothean extinction.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm on top! 
(Thoughts?)

All hail BansheeOwnage!

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 septembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Javik. You could not indoctrinate Javik. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could ever convince him to let the reapers live at all. Ever. Period.

That's debatable.  Protheans did have indoctrinated agents. And blind undisputed conviction is sort of indoctrination. - Javik always seemed to me as to extreme in his desire to destroy and eradicate.  Could be a variation of indoctrination. 

[masster blaster]

Well It's good to have you back Freddy, and has anyone seen Rosewind,Fellish,subarts,Hargish,and Otter?

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
That's a pretty funny yet sad theory.
 

That is the point, if IT isn't true it will be so sad that its almost funny. Almost.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 30 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I came to the conclusion in real life that leadership is a subtle form of indoctrination, so it makes sense.

Could it also be that Shepard has developed/is developing the perfect will, the human spirit, to resist successfully indoctrination, thus making all species with indoctrination-like powers obsolete? Those with true leadership skills are the ones with this kind of will. Shepard can't be the only one. He's been hanging around with the best, Garrus, Vega, Wrex, etc. but that's just me.

Javik. You could not indoctrinate Javik. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could ever convince him to let the reapers live at all. Ever. Period.

Wouldn't "the perfect will" just be another form of "evolved-indoctrination"? I'm not sure whether or not you'd need more than pure willpower to resist, look at Fai Dan trying to resist the Throian. Saren, The Illusive Man (paragon dialogue during The Return anyway), even Samara's daughter was only able to snap out of it for a moment. What I mean is; you might need more than pure willpower to resist/override Reaper indoctrination indefinitely.

Rachni are less developed in this sense, from this point of view, only some of their Queens appear able to resist Reaper indoctrination. Humans/Shepard would be on the bottom rung of this evolutionary trait, only able to reactively resist (so far) and not-quite actively send signals.

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

What I'd be interested to know is whether they themselves have an intended version of events, or whether the entire construction of the closing scenes is purely intended to invite speculation.  But that's another story.

I'm gonna go with yes. Mac Walters said before ME3's release that they new all the answers to ME (he gave reaper origins as an example), but they didn't want to tell us everything, at least not yet. So I wonder what Casey/Mac's version of the game is.

I think they'll give us some answers through DLC's/Expansion.

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
So I wonder what Casey/Mac's version of the game is.

96 hours smacktalk with the Guardian

[Davik Kang]

401 Kill wrote...
That is the point, is IT isn't true it will be so sad that its almost funny. Almost.

IT isn't true.  This whole thread is just a hallucination...

Right damn it i'm definitely going to bed now.

[401 Kill]

Davik Kang wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
That is the point, is IT isn't true it will be so sad that its almost funny. Almost.

IT isn't true.  This whole thread is just a hallucination...

Right damn it i'm definitely going to bed now.

Sorry, I really should say: If IT isn't relevant.

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
So I wonder what Casey/Mac's version of the game is.

96 hours smacktalk with the Guardian

Hey! Don't say that! They had enough decency to make the smacktalk with the guardian as short as possible in the original ending, remember?
 It is us the gamers who usked for more catalyst lines among other things we got with the EC.