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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Samtheman63

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Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video

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Reposting because cats.


War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:

What's interesting is that the one that proves it's not a battery is the one just added in Leviathan.

Asari Engineers

The graceful, soaring spires common to asari architecture look deceptively delicate. But Thessia's palaces, universities, and theaters have stood longer than most civilizations. Asari architectural engineers dispatched to the Crucible are testing the weapon's construction to make sure it can withstand tremendous amounts of pressure. If built improperly, stress could tear the Crucible in half upon activation.

Dr. Brynn Cole

Dr. Brynn Cole is an ex-Cerberus scientist who studied the technology left behind by the Collectors. She eventually cut ties with the Illusive Man, and helped dozens of scientists and their families flee the organization. The doctor has joined the Crucible Project, using the knowledge gained during her employment with Cerberus to help build the weapon.

Dr. Gavin Archer

Gavin Archer was a well-known synthetic intelligence specialist from Terra Nova who disappeared years ago to work with Cerberus. Now that he's parted ways with his former employer, Archer is among the scientists working on the Crucible. His study of VIs and AIs--in particular, the geth--gives him unique insights into parallel processing and inter-system communication that have already improved the weapon's efficiency.

Interferometric Array

Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays' command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible's systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.

Prothean Data Files

These Prothean discs were found years ago on Eden Prime, recovered a few months before the discovery of the Prothean Beacon in 2183. For years the data on the discs was incomprehensible, until the Crucible's blueprints provided the key to understanding the equations. Locked inside the discs were theories on dark matter meant to be used with the Crucible's main power source.

Dark Energy Dissertation
Published years ago by Dr. Conrad Verner, this doctorial dissertation on xenotechnology is a lengthy but intriguing argument that dark energy causes a minute but empirically observable difference in the passage of time. Hotly debated when first published, the paper's theory is supported by recent data. The dissertation illuminates several instructions left by the Protheans on how to build the Crucible. Dr. Verner found additional schematics useful in the creation of the device. After passing the data on to the Alliance, he added Commander Shepard to the dissertation's list of acknowledgements.

Shadow Broker Starship Tech

The Shadow Broker's unnamed vessel served as both a data repository and stealth ship for the enigmatic information trader. The ship ingeniously drew its power from the thunderstorms raging constantly on the planet it orbited, relying on an interlocking system of kinetic barriers, grounding rods and capacitors to avoid being ripped apart. These systems have repurposed for sections of the Crucible that require the safe discharge of tremendous amounts of energy.

Emergency Fuel Pods

The fuel pods scavenged from a field of debris in the Valhallan Threshold were once attached to a fleet of merchant vessels making long, risky journeys into uncharted space. The pods have been repurposed for the Crucible project. When activated, the Crucible's fusion reactors consume entire oceans of helium-3. The fuel pods serve as emergency reservoirs, should the weapon use more power than expected.

Advanced AI Relays

Admiral Xen's research teams salvaged advanced AI relays from the wreckage of the geth's dreadnought flagship. Xen used the valuable technology to write a custom VI that oversees the energy output of the Crucible's fusion reactors and adjusts itself automatically.

Reaper Heart

After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

Jovian Dissertation *Added in Leviathan*

This scientific data draws conclusions about the gas giant Isale's exceptionally powerful magnetic field, which has complex interactions with those of its moons. The mathematics used to model this complexity can provide new insight into the math of the Prothean device. A brief glance at the data hints at some kind of energetic pulse that might pass through the magnetosphere of a planet unimpeded, but any details are best derived by high-energy physicists.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .


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It's not right. It looks pretty; calm and peaceful. But it's not right. It's all just an illusion.

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Having Synthesis and Control support threads is a good thing. I guess some of the people who post in them have been aggressive towards IT in the past?

As for that Seival guy/girl, s/he does seem to be remarkably defensive even when you are not being aggressive. Maybe there's been a lot of antagonism between the two groups in the past?

Trolling the Control and Synthesis threads just turns the forums into a war between factions. Doesn't sound like a good thing, even if for revenge

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I know it isn't, but once in a while we have to show them some back bone. They call us names, tell us we crazy zealots, there was even a time a troll told us to drink posion and die. There are times were we have to go out and tell them that IT is not dead.

People see us as fans that can not expect the endings of ME3, and inorder to support our findings we have to test them. Am I right. If we just talk and talk about IT, but never put our findings against other people, then we can never get out of the Theory titile.

All I am saying is that we have to put all of our info to the test.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video

That's awesome! Very well done! The end picture was cool. I loved how everyone's voices overlapped because there are so many lines telling you to destroy them! Then the breath scene! Nice. In fact, this looks like a video I will try to make, only mine will be much longer. I need to continue my playthrough so I can record!

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Davik Kang wrote...

Having Synthesis and Control support threads is a good thing. I guess some of the people who post in them have been aggressive towards IT in the past?

As for that Seival guy/girl, s/he does seem to be remarkably defensive even when you are not being aggressive. Maybe there's been a lot of antagonism between the two groups in the past?

Trolling the Control and Synthesis threads just turns the forums into a war between factions. Doesn't sound like a good thing, even if for revenge


Thats why I dont ever go into any other threads.

Chris told people who dislike IT to avoid it, and its pretty hard for them to avoid it if we just go into other threads and start trying to push it on people.

If people want to talk about IT, they'll come here. Going out and making them talk about it is kind of an annoying thing to do.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video


I love it! :D

It has our joke from the Control support thread! :o

TIM: Control is the means to survival lol *shoots himself for being indoctrinated*
Saren: A union of flesh and steel lol. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither lol *shoots himself for being indoctrinated*

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masster blaster wrote...

I know it isn't, but once in a while we have to show them some back bone. They call us names, tell us we crazy zealots, there was even a time a troll told us to drink posion and die. There are times were we have to go out and tell them that IT is not dead.

People see us as fans that can not expect the endings of ME3, and inorder to support our findings we have to test them. Am I right. If we just talk and talk about IT, but never put our findings against other people, then we can never get out of the Theory titile.

All I am saying is that we have to put all of our info to the test.

Which reminds me, I should make a thread out of my Great Wall™.

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Samtheman63

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video


I love it! :D

It has our joke from the Control support thread! :o

TIM: Control is the means to survival lol *shoots himself for being indoctrinated*
Saren: A union of flesh and steel lol. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither lol *shoots himself for being indoctrinated*

yep haha


no idea why saren has turned red though lol, silly me

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byne wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Having Synthesis and Control support threads is a good thing. I guess some of the people who post in them have been aggressive towards IT in the past?

As for that Seival guy/girl, s/he does seem to be remarkably defensive even when you are not being aggressive. Maybe there's been a lot of antagonism between the two groups in the past?

Trolling the Control and Synthesis threads just turns the forums into a war between factions. Doesn't sound like a good thing, even if for revenge


Thats why I dont ever go into any other threads.

Chris told people who dislike IT to avoid it, and its pretty hard for them to avoid it if we just go into other threads and start trying to push it on people.

If people want to talk about IT, they'll come here. Going out and making them talk about it is kind of an annoying thing to do.


True. I give the rest of the forum a miss to be honest. This is the only thread where there is consistently good quality debate and chat about the game. It's pointless stooping to the level of the trolls, haters and whiners, so I say just keep up the good work in here. :innocent:

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BansheeOwnage

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Did Estebanus just go offline? I just finished writing something for her. <:'(

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byne wrote...
If people want to talk about IT, they'll come here. Going out and making them talk about it is kind of an annoying thing to do.

Safe.



masster blaster wrote...
I know it isn't, but once in a while we have to show them some back bone. They call us names, tell us we crazy zealots, there was even a time a troll told us to drink posion and die. There are times were we have to go out and tell them that IT is not dead.

People see us as fans that can not expect the endings of ME3, and inorder to support our findings we have to test them. Am I right. If we just talk and talk about IT, but never put our findings against other people, then we can never get out of the Theory titile.

All I am saying is that we have to put all of our info to the test.

Ok so there's a history of animosity.  I think ppl will see IT is not dead just because this has been the most active forum on here in the past week (possibly longer, idk cos I only joined a few days ago)

In theory, the Control and Synthesis threads should be the most productive places for counter-arguments to the IT stuff, because those guys would be looking at the game in depth as well.  

There are so many daily threads on here where someone has a vendetta (usually "Ending = Bad, Change Pls!") and anyone making a point against the OP is set upon and torn to shreds by other posters, with very little attempt at reasoning.  Just making stuff up as to how they want the game to be.  Which is ironic now that I think about it, as they criticise those who look a bit deeper into the game for - making stuff up!  Hmm...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 30 septembre 2012 - 09:47 .


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Davik Kang wrote...

I think ppl will see IT is not dead just because this has been the most active forum on here in the past week (possibly longer, idk cos I only joined a few days ago)

Most active since launch. Posted Image Partly because Bioware has kept encouraging us, for unknown reasons. Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Reposting because cats.


War Assets against the Crucible being a Space Battery:
*snip*

Yup. The crucible is definitely not a battery. It's a freaking weapon. Posted Image

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I think IT Dream is the theory that has been challanged most in this forum, but yet remains unrefuted (though some beg to differ).
As a scientist, I am adept to the concept of verifying theories by trying to find a falsification to it (if that is not possible and the theory is backed up by data/evidence, you can call it robust). Since IT Dream, to my knowledge, hasn't been disproven and is backed up by data/evidence, the theory surpassed the early stages of verification. At this point, you do not argue about that theory unless there is new data. This is like we'd start to question Darwin's Evolutionary Theory without having new data that points into another direction (though I am aware that in some parts of the world this is actually happening).
All I am saying is that there is no need to test IT Dream with others outside this thread, since in the past six months, the pillars of IT Dream have already undergone severe testing. The theory is robust. You are not going to convince those that ignore the hints/evidence collected here. You may be able to point at their logical flaws, but it will not change anything.

On the other hand, I'd like to see DD debating in the Synthesis thread using Saren/Shepard quotes that are not declared as being Saren's quotes.B)

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I think there's a lot of left over animosity from Mark 1 and 2. Mark 1 was incessantly trolled on a daily, even at times hourly basis. ITers generally didn't provoke people and I guess there isn't much benefit of the doubt given to anti-IT people anymore. But there's just nothing to be gained at this point. We should all stop before it bites us in the ass

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Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video


Nice video. From where did you find that last picture?

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Lol what's with this new ruthless aggression from Masster Blaster?

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King but their not. Hell they don't even speculate anymore because all they say is " Just look at the end for Control", and we can't pick at it. How do we support our theory if we can't tell other people about it. How do we show people that IT is not fan fiction.

We showed them that Chris said IT is a vaild interpitation, but they say fan fiction still. No no more staying here on the thread. No more letting them say bad writing and Lazy Bioware. Haven't you realize that people have left because of the trolls on the BSN.

I miss Rosewind,Otter,Either,Balance5050, Earthborn_shepard and so many more. If we don't show people what we have found, then what.

How do you think theorys become true. They go out there and prove it. So what if they call us trolls. We are just trying to get a sold answer like the people that come on this thread, and ask what's the deal with IT.

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Humakt83 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video


Nice video. From where did you find that last picture?

someone on deviant art, i should of probably credited them to be fair

nevermind lol

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Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video


Very, very cool Posted Image

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Restrider wrote...

All I am saying is that there is no need to test IT Dream with others outside this thread, since in the past six months, the pillars of IT Dream have already undergone severe testing. The theory is robust. You are not going to convince those that ignore the hints/evidence collected here. You may be able to point at their logical flaws, but it will not change anything.

On the other hand, I'd like to see DD debating in the Synthesis thread using Saren/Shepard quotes that are not declared as being Saren's quotes.B)

Sometimes we actually convince some people that even if they don't believe IT, that it makes sense. It's rare, but there are some relatively neutral people out there. If at the end of a battle there is just one person convinced, then the fight was worth it.

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I wonder if and how many of those Cerberus scientists are indoctrinated.

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@ Davik Kang: IT is the single most hated topic on the entire BSN. None have been ridiculed as much as we have. People are calling us a religious cult.

Restrider wrote...

On the other hand, I'd like to see DD debating in the Synthesis thread using Saren/Shepard quotes that are not declared as being Saren's quotes.B)


:D

At least I managed to entertain some of you guys, haha.

I've never posted much outside of this thread before yesterday. Things were slow here, and there were so many anti-IT threads popping up that I decided to make a stand for a change.

I don't actually intend to take IT into other threads. It more or less automatically happens when you start debating the ending with literalists.

Most people will stop taking you seriously though when they realize you're an IT supporter, which is sad. It's not worth the effort, really.

All I can hope is to provoke the thoughts of others who might be reading. But I'll stay here now. I've had my fill.

We had a good run though. :lol: