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[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Also, have you seen this?

     NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!





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Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[demersel]

I don't know about you guys, but i see a lot of potential in ME3 story. In my opinion it is just such a great twist of perseption in the ending that you mustn't really focus on the fate of the whole galaxy, saving everyone, and making a glorious sacrifice, rathen that you have to remember that shepard is a human being, and really every man is a battlefield. In ME1 it was about saving galaxy. In ME2 it was about saving the galaxy in the long run,while keeping your crew alive. In me3 it is really about keeping shepard alive. You really fight for yourself (which is really a starting point for any kind of the fight) - and it is done beautifully, to turn your attention away from that fact.
In that way - ME3 is the end of the shepards story  - aftor all he is most likely to die in that beam run, or get indoctrinated, like Agent Cooper in the last episode of Twin Peaks. (and there was supposed to be whole another season, with him being evil, and then breaking free - what if ME4 will be like that?)

In that sense even devs comment about breath scene possibly being shepards last breath - really makes sense - imagine in all the endings shepard dies/get's indoctrinated - and in highh EMS destroy TOO - but in it he at least get a last glimpse of the reality, and understands what has happened. And then he dies. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Two people square off in a duel. They face each other, turn, and march off ten paces. 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9. Lots of speculation for everyone

ME3 in 5 seconds.

God, I hope this isn't the future of storytelling.

[401 Kill]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Destroy the Reapers Shepard

A short vid I threw together, basically a short version of the "there is only one choice" video

Great video, this demonstrates perfectly what the "correct" choice is. Every person Shepard has cared about has been saying "destroy the reapers" While the people who have been telling him to controll them, or "merge with synthetic life" have either shot themselves in the head, or been hostile to Shepard and disrupting the war effort.

[spotlessvoid]

Btw Blade Runner is Deckard a replicant ending is like not knowing what will happen with the Leviathan after the endings.

Mass Effect is like ending with Deckard hanging from the roof.

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Btw Blade Runner is Deckard a replicant ending is like not knowing what will happen with the Leviathan after the endings.

Mass Effect is like ending with Deckard hanging from the roof.

I really have got to watch that movie. I saw it on but it was midnight and I had to go to sleep:crying:.

[lex0r11]

Oh. Hello. *tips hat*

Requesting sitrep.

[spotlessvoid]

Dem-

Then wtf happens to the galaxy? That's HORRIBLE story telling. It's one thing for a short story to be ambiguous but it's unacceptable for an epic.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[estebanus]

[quote]DoomsdayDevice wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...
Also, have you seen this?





[/quote]Oh, dear god. That picture is simply adorable.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then wtf happens to the galaxy? That's HORRIBLE story telling. It's one thing for a short story to be ambiguous but it's unacceptable for an epic.

Happens all the time, I'm afraid.

[plfranke]

So I have something I'd like to talk about. It's not really speculation, just something that's always really bothered me. I am very much against the scene where Illusive Man walks in on you and Anderson. People that like the ending call it just another plot convenience. Even some people that dislike the ending don't have a problem with that scene. What about you guys? I mean I'm all for a plot convenience that lands a character somewhere, where it's not really explained how they got there but it's somewhat reasonable to believe.

But the Illusive Man ended up in a never before seen area of the citadel on a sealed bridge that there was no way he could have possibly gotten to. A plot convenience is something that happens that isn't explained that advances the plot, but it's not something impossible that happens anyway to advance the plot in any given direction. Does This isn't just any "plot convenience" either. It leads to the death of two of the biggest characters in the game. Does this bother anyone else here in the literal interperetation, and does it bother you that it's just handwaved away if brought up?

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
There is no point in IT without a reveal. Doing that would be as stupid as the literal endings. If they don't reveal it, I won't be sure they intended it.

But I don't even care anymore. I don't care how it ends, because there is something much more important in ME than the endings: the characters.
As long as I get some closure with the characters, I'd be happy. I think that applies to a lot of people. Especially LI closure. Where are my blue babies? 

spotlessvoid wrote...

I've said this repeatedly, and it's only my opinion, but Bioware will lose all my respect if they don't take a stand on their endings. Two valid interpretations is bogus. Where's the artistic integrity in a convoluted, unexplained ending that is either horrible writing or totally incomplete. And don'tquote me blade runner because it's unrelated. 2 hour movie vs 200 hr game-gtfo. Also, we know how the damn story ends in blade runner. Anyways, Both interpretations that are so fundamentally different cannot be equally valid. Either one or both is wrong, but saying both means Bioware is full of it. What is THEIR interpretation? Because if they don't have a stance then that means they don't know what the **** they wrote

Uh-oh!  I've spent pretty much the whole day arguing that the ending is awesome, and should never be changed or explained!!  No joke.  I also got effectively banned from the "Do the right thing" thread, for trying to make reasonable counter-arguments.

Better be careful not to get ostracised from here too... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Why would a battery need a battery? Plus, know one know what the hell the crucible is, except that it's a weapon. Not a battery, unless the galaxy's best scientists are just stupid (or indoctrinated). What good is the one about its energy passing undisturbed through a planet's magnetoshpere if it doesn't shoot?

I already said about the battery battery thing - it may just be transferring power from A to B, nothing stopping that from going to C.  And the scientists aren't stupid, but it's constantly mentioned throughout ME3 that no-one's really sure what the Crucible is, except for being some kind of high-energy device.

About the next point, well, someone today made a thread and mentioned something which made me think that maybe the Citadel is the weapon (intentionally or not).  They also made some good suggestions about the tube that you shoot in choosing Destroy.  It doesn't really matter to me cos it doesn't affect my interpretation 

[BansheeOwnage]

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Also, have you seen this?

*snip*



[/quote]Oh, dear god. That picture is simply adorable.
[/quote]
So adorable it actually hurts me to look at it. :/ I'm serious. That's how much I want closure.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[Fingertrip]

Casey Hudson has said it. Mac Walters has said it. I have sadi it. I will say it again. The Extended Cut is the "end of the endings". While there is more DLC coming for both Single & Multiplay and that DLC may have some effect on the endings (such as the new dialog with teh Catalyst from Leviathan), there are no mote endings for Mass Effect 3 planned.

You can continue to hope and you can believe what I say or not. It is true that things do change given enough time (This is not lying, plans do change. Take for example that ME1 will now be coming to the PS3 as an example). That said the team is not currently working on new/more endings and has no plan to start. We are working on ME3 DLC and teh new Mass Effect game, not new endings.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.

From Bioware

Indoctrination Theory debunked for the X amount of time (not big surprise)

RIP, i'll miss it- it was cool, but the ending is fine now!

[lex0r11]

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

So I have something I'd like to talk about. It's not really speculation, just something that's always really bothered me. I am very much against the scene where Illusive Man walks in on you and Anderson. People that like the ending call it just another plot convenience. Even some people that dislike the ending don't have a problem with that scene. What about you guys? I mean I'm all for a plot convenience that lands a character somewhere, where it's not really explained how they got there but it's somewhat reasonable to believe.

But the Illusive Man ended up in a never before seen area of the citadel on a sealed bridge that there was no way he could have possibly gotten to. A plot convenience is something that happens that isn't explained that advances the plot, but it's not something impossible that happens anyway to advance the plot in any given direction. Does This isn't just any "plot convenience" either. It leads to the death of two of the biggest characters in the game. Does this bother anyone else here in the literal interperetation, and does it bother you that it's just handwaved away if brought up?

Doesn't bother me because IT. It would literally, a lot.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...


Dem-

Then wtf happens to the galaxy? That's HORRIBLE story telling. It's one thing for a short story to be ambiguous but it's unacceptable for an epic.

The galaxy fights on. It is the only way to do it. 

[spotlessvoid]

plfranke wrote...

So I have something I'd like to talk about. It's not really speculation, just something that's always really bothered me. I am very much against the scene where Illusive Man walks in on you and Anderson. People that like the ending call it just another plot convenience. Even some people that dislike the ending don't have a problem with that scene. What about you guys? I mean I'm all for a plot convenience that lands a character somewhere, where it's not really explained how they got there but it's somewhat reasonable to believe.

But the Illusive Man ended up in a never before seen area of the citadel on a sealed bridge that there was no way he could have possibly gotten to. A plot convenience is something that happens that isn't explained that advances the plot, but it's not something impossible that happens anyway to advance the plot in any given direction. Does This isn't just any "plot convenience" either. It leads to the death of two of the biggest characters in the game. Does this bother anyone else here in the literal interperetation, and does it bother you that it's just handwaved away if brought up?

it's ridiculous if it's real

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


Dem-

Then wtf happens to the galaxy? That's HORRIBLE story telling. It's one thing for a short story to be ambiguous but it's unacceptable for an epic.

The galaxy fights on. It is the only way to do it. 

and you dont feel that should be part of the story. ok

[Davik Kang]

plfranke wrote...

So I have something I'd like to talk about. It's not really speculation, just something that's always really bothered me. I am very much against the scene where Illusive Man walks in on you and Anderson. People that like the ending call it just another plot convenience. Even some people that dislike the ending don't have a problem with that scene. What about you guys? I mean I'm all for a plot convenience that lands a character somewhere, where it's not really explained how they got there but it's somewhat reasonable to believe.

But the Illusive Man ended up in a never before seen area of the citadel on a sealed bridge that there was no way he could have possibly gotten to. A plot convenience is something that happens that isn't explained that advances the plot, but it's not something impossible that happens anyway to advance the plot in any given direction. Does This isn't just any "plot convenience" either. It leads to the death of two of the biggest characters in the game. Does this bother anyone else here in the literal interperetation, and does it bother you that it's just handwaved away if brought up?

It doesn't completely bother me, because it is a pretty cool dramatic scene, but it does have its problems in theory.  Especially Anderson making it to the crucible too.

It also includes two things that really support IT very strongly -

one, that Anderson and TIM appear there because they represent Shepard's conscience and/or mental dilemma as to how to proceed when dealing with the Reapers... this makes much more sense in terms of the whole thing being a hallucination, with Shepard actually inwardly arguing with herself; and

and subsequently two, that Shepard seems to be bleeding from her torso near the end, from a similar area where she shot Anderson.  This could be understood as showing that she had actually shot herself, while the darker side of her conscience was gaining the upper hand;

oh and a third one, which is that Shepard appears to break free of TIM's physical control as she and Anderson talk him down, which would represent her 'good' conscience regaining the upper hand, ultimately leading to the 'death' of her bad conscience

...all a metaphor for beating indoctrination.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 30 septembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Btw Blade Runner is Deckard a replicant ending is like not knowing what will happen with the Leviathan after the endings.

Mass Effect is like ending with Deckard hanging from the roof.

I think one of the main reasons so many people outright hate IT, is because it means we don't know how the Reapers are defeated.

Aside from that, haters keep bringing up that it's just a stupid 'It was all just a dream!' plot device, which of course, is nonsense, because our interpretation gives a whole new meaning to what happens in the last 15 minutes of the game, not just that 'it didn't happen'.

I feel like the stargazer scene is hinting at stuff though.

"Did all of that really happen?" (Really made me go 'wow', having indoc in mind)
"Well (pause), sure... but some of the details have been lost in time." (Really ominous, not very convincing, strong undertone of there being more to the story)

And then going on to say 'Okay, one more story about the Shepard.'

I don't believe in the reveal, but the stargazer scene keeps giving me hope that we may yet see Shepard return in ME4. I don't want to think it, because I don't want my hopes to get crushed, but I can't helping that's what it does to me.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


Dem-

Then wtf happens to the galaxy? That's HORRIBLE story telling. It's one thing for a short story to be ambiguous but it's unacceptable for an epic.

The galaxy fights on. It is the only way to do it. 

and you dont feel that should be part of the story. ok

I do feel that should be part of the story. But at the same time i feel that it should not be resolved just with some off/sfitch button and some slides at the last moment. For me ME3 feels like a halfway at most on the way to defeating the reapers. And it ends rather abruptly - on a note that reminds you that you are not some higher entity, and not everything is up to you - you just one person in this huge war, an important person, sure, but stil a person - and if you die - you don't get to see it through. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So I have something I'd like to talk about. It's not really speculation, just something that's always really bothered me. I am very much against the scene where Illusive Man walks in on you and Anderson. People that like the ending call it just another plot convenience. Even some people that dislike the ending don't have a problem with that scene. What about you guys? I mean I'm all for a plot convenience that lands a character somewhere, where it's not really explained how they got there but it's somewhat reasonable to believe.

But the Illusive Man ended up in a never before seen area of the citadel on a sealed bridge that there was no way he could have possibly gotten to. A plot convenience is something that happens that isn't explained that advances the plot, but it's not something impossible that happens anyway to advance the plot in any given direction. Does This isn't just any "plot convenience" either. It leads to the death of two of the biggest characters in the game. Does this bother anyone else here in the literal interperetation, and does it bother you that it's just handwaved away if brought up?

Doesn't bother me because IT. It would literally, a lot.

It only slightly bothered me the first time. The path to the room was very linear, and I couldn't help but notice how I hadn't seen him earlier. I mean, it's just so freaking obvious there's only one entrance to that room.

[spotlessvoid]

Lol at Masster Blasters "please troll me" thread. God bless him

[spotlessvoid]

TIM hiding behind something makes more sense then Anderson being there.

How does Anderson run past Shepard to the beam to get on the citadel. Since Harbinger left, who stops Anderson's team from going up to the citadel? Or is Anderson all alone on the beam run? Because that makes NO sense....