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[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...


I thought the last one was 'ME3 is the end of Shepard's story'?

It'd be like how RvB episode 100 was the end of the Blood Gulch Chronicles. The show had more seasons, just the focus of the story slightly changed.

Shep could be in ME4, and it could be the story of other people, but with you still controlling Shep.

As long as I have Shepard, that may be okay.

+11111111111 If I'm not playing as Shepard, I'm not playing at all (Remeber, this is only my opinion, if anyone feels different about this that is perfectly fine).

[spotlessvoid]

Anyways, I'm not giving up until Mike, Mac, or Casey says no IT reveal.

[demersel]

Yeh! Byne, that's right - shepard can still be the main character but his story arc ended in ME3 - he has no more presonal transformations to undergo - he is now a constant value! And now the story is not about him, but about other people, annd about saving the galaxy!

There was a anime series called the Big O - it had two seasons - and the last episode of season 1 and the first episode of season two has the main character lose it - he sort of get's trapped inside of his own unconciosness and faces his biggest fears and comes to turmes with himself - and that is the starting point of the second season - cause everything is falling apart, and all the characters aslo has yet to hove such a moment - but the main character is there to lead them through - when everything is crushing and falling - and because of this he's able to resolve everything around him.

[spotlessvoid]

IsaacShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

As long as I have Shepard, that may be okay.

I don't really get this. Shep is essentially YOU. It's hardly even a character. It's an avatar for the player to move in the world and plot. The next PC will feel just as good as Shep since it will be essentially YOU again ;P

lol...I was Shepard but now I'm not? yaaah

[spotlessvoid]

How can Shepard be the player avatar and have no story arc? That's just crazy Dem

[masster blaster]

Hey everyone my thread has been going well, and when I am done, I will bring back all the info we/I needed to build a case. See ya I will be on my thread.

[demersel]

The way a see it guys - the final DLC will either be a reveal with the face off against harbinger (which is unlikely) - or it will be a final piece in the puzzle - that will make the part where shepard wakes up in london obvious to everyone - so that ME4 may start right from that point on. Because really - think about it - if shepard does wake up in rubble in london - we have yet to take earth back, we have yet a war to win, and we have yet to find a way to do so. Yes, you might say that this would make ME3 kind of pointless - but it really doesn;t - this way ME3 is the story about shepard fighting for his own identity and winning, overcaming indoctrination, and being the firts person ever who menaged that - which is no small feat, and really deserves a full game to be adressed - anything less and it would trivialize the achievment.

[401 Kill]

@demersel- That is a great way to look at it. I have never understood how the story arc for Shepard could end, but still maintain Shepard as the main charecter. That comparison with the anime series is actually pretty great. You have actually explained that point quite well. Thank you

[Home run MF]

demersel wrote...

The way a see it guys - the final DLC will either be a reveal with the face off against harbinger (which is unlikely) - or it will be a final piece in the puzzle - that will make the part where shepard wakes up in london obvious to everyone - so that ME4 may start right from that point on. Because really - think about it - if shepard does wake up in rubble in london - we have yet to take earth back, we have yet a war to win, and we have yet to find a way to do so. Yes, you might say that this would make ME3 kind of pointless - but it really doesn;t - this way ME3 is the story about shepard fighting for his own identity and winning, overcaming indoctrination, and being the firts person ever who menaged that - which is no small feat, and really deserves a full game to be adressed - anything less and it would trivialize the achievment.

So ME4 will not be how Shepard defeats the Reapers but how the galaxy does it? I like it.

I always thought a single person should not be the one deciding the future of an entire galaxy

Modifié par Home run MF, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:16 .

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

How can Shepard be the player avatar and have no story arc? That's just crazy Dem

well, he can. He now can be the instrument to resolve all other character's story arcs.   In any other media then a video game it would suck, but in vedeogame it is fine (shepard really have been accused of having no storyarc at all in previous games anyway)  - this why we don't have the terminator movie about john connor winning the war against skynet - by that time john connor is a constant and that is why he is able to lead the resistance to victory - all there is only lot's of fighting left to do - and that is not sutable material for a movie or a book. But for a video game it is great. 

In relation to Mass effect ME4 (or ME3 part 2) - may have more focus on other places and races then on characters - just like ME2 had more focus on character's stories than ME1 which had a more focused central plot - 

we can speculate what it might be like - for example you wake up - and first you have to take earth back. Then there is a whole galaxy to free of the reapers, one planet or system at a time.   It wiil be something like war stories. 

[spotlessvoid]

Dem I'm okay with waiting until ME4 as long as Bioware is okay not getting any money from me until ME4

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...

@demersel- That is a great way to look at it. I have never understood how the story arc for Shepard could end, but still maintain Shepard as the main charecter. That comparison with the anime series is actually pretty great. You have actually explained that point quite well. Thank you

By the way - check out those to episodes - they can be found on the youtube, and they are not long, and really feel very much like mass effect 3 ending  - and you don't need to know anything about the series to get them. 

the show is called "Big O" 
the episodes are called "RD" and "Roger, the Negotiator"

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dem I'm okay with waiting until ME4 as long as Bioware is okay not getting any money from me until ME4

I think they can menage. :innocent:

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

demersel wrote...

The way a see it guys - the final DLC will either be a reveal with the face off against harbinger (which is unlikely) - or it will be a final piece in the puzzle - that will make the part where shepard wakes up in london obvious to everyone - so that ME4 may start right from that point on. Because really - think about it - if shepard does wake up in rubble in london - we have yet to take earth back, we have yet a war to win, and we have yet to find a way to do so. Yes, you might say that this would make ME3 kind of pointless - but it really doesn;t - this way ME3 is the story about shepard fighting for his own identity and winning, overcaming indoctrination, and being the firts person ever who menaged that - which is no small feat, and really deserves a full game to be adressed - anything less and it would trivialize the achievment.

So ME4 will not be how Shepard defeats the Reapers but how the galaxy does it? I like it.

I always thought a single person should not be the one deciding the future of an entire galaxy

I kind of like that too, actually. What else could they even do?

1. They could make a prequel. YAY! Now we can fight with crappy weapons, no biotics, etc.

2. We could play as Anderson. No. I love Anderson, but playing as any already-established character would mean no choices and no gender changing. NO!

3. A prequel from a different cycle. Not happening. No humans wouldn't be popular for a lot of people. Plus, we'd know it would all be for nothing.

4. Sometime during ME1-3. Somewhat likely, but stupid IMO. You would not play as Shepard, but you would play as some other customizable person who can make choices and rally people? No.

5. A sequel. Most likely. But without Shepard, it has the same problems as #4. Plus they'd have to choose a canon ending for ME3.

Really, I'm not sure what they'll do at all with ME4, but as long as I have the characters I love including Shepard, I'm good. Thoughts?

[spotlessvoid]

Your making a false semantic argument. Is Shepard running around doing things, interacting with npcs, resolving conflicts etc? Because those are story arcs. End of story cannot coexist with continuing as Shepard. If Shepard is the player avatar in ME4 then what Mike Gamble said isn't true

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dem I'm okay with waiting until ME4 as long as Bioware is okay not getting any money from me until ME4

I think they can menage. :innocent:

well i'm not the only one dip

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Your making a false semantic argument. Is Shepard running around doing things, interacting with npcs, resolving conflicts etc? Because those are story arcs. End of story cannot coexist with continuing as Shepard. If Shepard is the player avatar in ME4 then what Mike Gamble said isn't true

Many characters in ME universe like squadmates have story arcs - but the completion of their story arc, or their story does not mean that we cannot have that characer anymore as a squadmate.  And shepard's personal story arc started in arrival.    

For example - you end Tali's story arc on Rannoch - and yes - she could die there, but that does not mean that if she doesn't you can't heva her as a squadmate. 
The end of a character's sotry arc means that there is nothing more to this character's personal story, he will undergo no more changes, will get no more traits, and will not show any more sides to himsefl - from this point on - he is just fixed it story, but he can still be part of the grand ongoing story - he just won't change any more.  He will not sudenly become a drug addict, or he will not start some revenge merder spree, he will not lose it under fire, he won't suddenly doubt his abilities etc. from the point his story arc ends - he's just there in the story - in this case - doing the figfhting. )) 

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Your making a false semantic argument. Is Shepard running around doing things, interacting with npcs, resolving conflicts etc? Because those are story arcs. End of story cannot coexist with continuing as Shepard. If Shepard is the player avatar in ME4 then what Mike Gamble said isn't true

Byne has a good point. RvB "finished" after season 5. That story arc was done. But now they're on season 10, with the same characters. There was still the end of an arc at season 5. So if it's the end of Shepard's story, than I see that as the whole "The player will feel what Shepard feels" and "Maybe I'm just a high-tech VI" identity crisis story arc. Which belongs 100% to Shepard. That doesn't mean that's the end of Shepard.

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Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:36 .

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

well i'm not the only one dip

So what?  They already have your money for ME3.  They did say they are making one more ME game. They'll get your money when it's done and ready )

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

well i'm not the only one dip

So what?  They already have your money for ME3.  They did say they are making one more ME game. They'll get your money when it's done and ready )

Did they say they're only doing 1 more specifically?

[spotlessvoid]

I agree Banshee. The only possible ME4 that makes sense is IT + destroy.

Personally, the idea of ME4 only being fight the Leviathan feels like slapping a new coat of paint on the Reapers . It would be okay if Shepard is the character.

Bill Casey says we should just assume we beat the Reapers, but that would Bge absurd if ME4 just prologues that. Either dlc, expansion, or ME4 needs to resolve IT, or they need to explain their endings if we are ALL off the mark.

If they canon one of the literal endings....that would be horrible to ITers and a totalslap in the face to people who pick the non canon ending.

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

well i'm not the only one dip

So what?  They already have your money for ME3.  They did say they are making one more ME game. They'll get your money when it's done and ready )

that is in no way a guarentee

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I agree Banshee. The only possible ME4 that makes sense is IT + destroy.

Personally, the idea of ME4 only being fight the Leviathan feels like slapping a new coat of paint on the Reapers . It would be okay if Shepard is the character.

Bill Casey says we should just assume we beat the Reapers, but that would Bge absurd if ME4 just prologues that. Either dlc, expansion, or ME4 needs to resolve IT, or they need to explain their endings if we are ALL off the mark.

If they canon one of the literal endings....that would be horrible to ITers and a totalslap in the face to people who pick the non canon ending.

Yup. ME4 kind of has to resolve IT, which at this point makes me think it couldn't come soon enough...

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
 So if it's the end of Shepard's story, than I see that as the whole "The player will feel what Shepard feels" and "Maybe I'm just a high-tech VI" identity crisis story arc. Which belongs 100% to Shepard. That doesn't mean that's the end of Shepard.
Edit: 

Exactly. But i would say that it is the end of a story arc that shepard is irreplacable as the man who drives galaxy to victory, and is influenced by indoctrination - which started in ME1 - on eden prime.  I always thought that Saran is the possible future of shepard - and this story arc has ended in ME3 - he's either second saren, or he's just a regular soldier fighting a war against the reapers.

Whether he is an High tech VI and how exactly cerberus brought him back - is really more of the Cerberus's story arc. Which is still needs to be resolved. 

[spotlessvoid]

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc