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[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

that is in no way a guarentee

So? it is never a guarantee. It is a market, and their job is to make a product and sell it. It is never a guarantee. 

[Home run MF]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I kind of like that too, actually. What else could they even do?

1. They could make a prequel. YAY! Now we can fight with crappy weapons, no biotics, etc.

2. We could play as Anderson. No. I love Anderson, but playing as any already-established character would mean no choices and no gender changing. NO!

3. A prequel from a different cycle. Not happening. No humans wouldn't be popular for a lot of people. Plus, we'd know it would all be for nothing.

4. Sometime during ME1-3. Somewhat likely, but stupid IMO. You would not play as Shepard, but you would play as some other customizable person who can make choices and rally people? No.

5. A sequel. Most likely. But without Shepard, it has the same problems as #4. Plus they'd have to choose a canon ending for ME3.

Really, I'm not sure what they'll do at all with ME4, but as long as I have the characters I love including Shepard, I'm good. Thoughts?

The only prequel I would like would be about the Krogan Rebellions, choose between asari, krogan or turian and fight with every species point of view. Inconvenients: no humans and we already know how it will end, so I don't see it happening.

If only we could get a cool new character with a warm up intro about ME3 ending and carry him/her through ME4 applying Shepard choices...

I agree with all your points Banshee, I don't see a prequel happening and they need to pick a colour if they want to keep the franchise alive.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Did they say they're only doing 1 more specifically?

yes, they actually did. 

[TSA_383]

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If OMEGA DLC is just filler like Leviathan, and there is no reveal....well I think Bioware is going to find a second wave of vitriol when a large chunk of ITers and IT supporters jump ship to bad writing. When the DLC cycle is over and we're left at basically the exact same place we've been since March...yeah it might get a little ugly again. EA needs to put their greed to work and force Bioware to pick what's canon. I hope for Bioware's sake there is a plan because I would really really hate seeing them fall flat on their faces.

I don't believe that Leviathan was filler at all. It offered plenty of reasons as to not take the desicion room seriously. I think Omega will do something similar: offer clues that everything is not what it seems at the ending, and don't take it literally. 

Probably, although to be honest I'm more interested in the rumored Citadel/Guardian DLC...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Isaac-

It certainly wouldn't match the scale or intensity, but I've spoken to many ITers and many on the fence who say they would wash their hands of Bioware if there is no answer, or if literal becomes canon.

I would... If we reach the end of the life of this product and it's still such an unfinished story... well, then I'll jump ship from supporting the franchise, just as the Bioware founders have 

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Did they say they're only doing 1 more specifically?

yes, they actually did. 

Not that I don't trust you, but do you have a link?

[TSA_383]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Did they say they're only doing 1 more specifically?

yes, they actually did. 

Not that I don't trust you, but do you have a link?

Ditto.
Link us!

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I kind of like that too, actually. What else could they even do?

1. They could make a prequel. YAY! Now we can fight with crappy weapons, no biotics, etc.

2. We could play as Anderson. No. I love Anderson, but playing as any already-established character would mean no choices and no gender changing. NO!

3. A prequel from a different cycle. Not happening. No humans wouldn't be popular for a lot of people. Plus, we'd know it would all be for nothing.

4. Sometime during ME1-3. Somewhat likely, but stupid IMO. You would not play as Shepard, but you would play as some other customizable person who can make choices and rally people? No.

5. A sequel. Most likely. But without Shepard, it has the same problems as #4. Plus they'd have to choose a canon ending for ME3.

Really, I'm not sure what they'll do at all with ME4, but as long as I have the characters I love including Shepard, I'm good. Thoughts?

The only prequel I would like would be about the Krogan Rebellions, choose between asari, krogan or turian and fight with every species point of view. Inconvenients: no humans and we already know how it will end, so I don't see it happening.

If only we could get a cool new character with a warm up intro about ME3 ending and carry him/her through ME4 applying Shepard choices...

I agree with all your points Banshee, I don't see a prequel happening and they need to pick a colour if they want to keep the franchise alive.

Thanks. Yeah, they kind of have to answer IT in ME4, which I suppose is good. I just want all the ME3 DLC to be out, so I can see the larger picture.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Easy - shepard wakes up. The reapers are there. And you have to take earth back. Then whet it is done - you have to take the galaxy back.   Everywhere shepard goes he just say - I'm here to save you and kick reaper's but, cause I'm commander shepard and i'm awesome.  It will be like that scene in the avengers with captain america and the city cops. )))

First of all it may not be a cover shooter anymore. It may be  global space RTS. 

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Exactly the same as the Tali example he gave above. Tali's story arc ends on Rannoch, whether she lives or dies. She continues to exist as a character, but nothing important revolving around Tali happens after that point.

Similarly, Shepard could be the playable character in ME4, even if ME4 isn't "Shepard's Story". Shepard's story ends at the breath scene, having beaten indoctrination.

EDIT: It's also like the moment when Neo decides to fight Smith in the first Matrix, beats him, and the other Agents go "Holy Sh*t!". That moment is just like the moment Shepard wakes up. It's the end of the character's The One/Indoctrination story, which is the part of the universe that revolves around them. That character can still exist, even as the main character, but it's not "about them" anymore.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:56 .

[spotlessvoid]

Mass effect game requirements (or otherwise it's call of duty or gears of war):

Customizable player avatar
Emotional investment in said avatar
A conflict of galactic proportions


I think that is only possible with IT+DESTROY

And if I'm not left convinced of IT by the end of Me3 dlc cycle, then I won't be buying me4 until I'm convinced it makes sense and is worth the money. If they plan more then one game, Iwon't buy anything until it's all done and I'm convinced it make sense and is worth it

[byne]

demersel wrote...

First of all it may not be a cover shooter anymore. It may be  global space RTS.

Oh god no...

I hate RTS games.

[demersel]

blog.bioware.com/2012/09/18/from-aaryn-flynn/ there is your link 

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas.

• BRAND NEW GAMES FROM BIOWARE – Both Dragon Age and Mass Effect started as single games but grew into vast universes. But we aren’t stopping there. While Casey continues to oversee the development of our new Mass Effect project, he and his leads are putting together their vision for an all new game set in a fictional universe, built from the bottom-up with all new gaming technology.

Modifié par demersel, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:53 .

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Mass effect game requirements (or otherwise it's call of duty or gears of war):

Customizable player avatar
Emotional investment in said avatar
A conflict of galactic proportions


I think that is only possible with IT+DESTROY

And if I'm not left convinced of IT by the end of Me3 dlc cycle, then I won't be buying me4 until I'm convinced it makes sense and is worth the money. If they plan more then one game, Iwon't buy anything until it's all done and I'm convinced it make sense and is worth it

I agree. For me, IT does doesn't need to be outright confirmed by the end of the DLC cycle, but pretty obvious. More stuff like the Leviathan conversation.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Mass effect game requirements (or otherwise it's call of duty or gears of war):

Customizable player avatar
Emotional investment in said avatar
A conflict of galactic proportions


I think that is only possible with IT+DESTROY

And if I'm not left convinced of IT by the end of Me3 dlc cycle, then I won't be buying me4 until I'm convinced it makes sense and is worth the money. If they plan more then one game, Iwon't buy anything until it's all done and I'm convinced it make sense and is worth it

I have a feeling a lot of people will wait for reviews before buying the next Mass effect!

[MajorKellyRisner]

So currently I have at this moment I have about 12 things I will be looking into, and with things keep being added on, it will be like 100+ things i will have to look into. But either way...I'll try and make it atleast 25 to possibly 50 maybe. E

But from what i have read from Banshee, there are some valid things, but there are a few tiny things that are opinion related and off. just saying

[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Easy - shepard wakes up. The reapers are there. And you have to take earth back. Then whet it is done - you have to take the galaxy back.   Everywhere shepard goes he just say - I'm here to save you and kick reaper's but, cause I'm commander shepard and i'm awesome.  It will be like that scene in the avengers with captain america and the city cops. )))

First of all it may not be a cover shooter anymore. It may be  global space RTS. 

removing the playet from controlling his avatar in combat kills the immersion

and your example is wrong. thats a story, so Mike Gamble sayingme3 is the end of Shrps story is wrong in that example

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

blog.bioware.com/2012/09/18/from-aaryn-flynn/ there is your link 

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas.

That only says they're making another game, not that they're only making one more game. In fact, that sounds more like they're planning another series. *cough* Halo 4 *cough*

Not that there is anything wrong with that if done correctly. Halo 4 looks awesome for a number of reasons including story aspects.

[BansheeOwnage]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

So currently I have at this moment I have about 12 things I will be looking into, and with things keep being added on, it will be like 100+ things i will have to look into. But either way...I'll try and make it atleast 25 to possibly 50 maybe. E

But from what i have read from Banshee, there are some valid things, but there are a few tiny things that are opinion related and off. just saying

Some of those are personal opinions, yes. But most are good arguments in favour of IT. What did you like/dislike?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:55 .

[spotlessvoid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Exactly the same as the Tali example he gave above. Tali's story arc ends on Rannoch, whether she lives or dies. She continues to exist as a character, but nothing important revolving around Tali happens after that point.

Similarly, Shepard could be the playable character in ME4, even if ME4 isn't "Shepard's Story". Shepard's story ends at the breath scene, having beaten indoctrination.

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

blog.bioware.com/2012/09/18/from-aaryn-flynn/ there is your link 

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas.

That only says they're making another game, not that they're only making one more game. In fact, that sounds more like they're planning another series. *cough* Halo 4 *cough*

Not that there is anything wrong with that if done correctly. Halo 4 looks awesome for a number of reasons including story aspects.

thats because I heard Mass Effect's Narrative Director joined Halo 4 after he left Bioware after ME2

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

removing the playet from controlling his avatar in combat kills the immersion

and your example is wrong. thats a story, so Mike Gamble sayingme3 is the end of Shrps story is wrong in that example

I don't get it, you WANT me to be wrong? 

ME3 is the end of shepard's story.  It's just....you know.... that small thing at the end...."Tell me another story about the shepard! - It's getting late, but okay, one more story.." :innocent:

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Exactly the same as the Tali example he gave above. Tali's story arc ends on Rannoch, whether she lives or dies. She continues to exist as a character, but nothing important revolving around Tali happens after that point.

Similarly, Shepard could be the playable character in ME4, even if ME4 isn't "Shepard's Story". Shepard's story ends at the breath scene, having beaten indoctrination.

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Not nothing revolving around him/her, just a different story. Because Shepard's very personal story about identity ended in ME3. There can be anything after that. We know Bioware loves loopholes and, more recently, changing plans.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Ok, let's tacle this from another end. 

What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect? 
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect 2?
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass effect 3? 

And i mean things that happen only to Shepard personally. 

[spotlessvoid]

I understand that Banshee

But Dems Tali example then doesn't fit at all. Either Shepard is the player avatar and drives the story, or he isn't. He can't be some bystander mook watching it all happen. It's freaking Shepard. What, he gets demoted?

[BansheeOwnage]

AresKeith wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

blog.bioware.com/2012/09/18/from-aaryn-flynn/ there is your link 

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas.

That only says they're making another game, not that they're only making one more game. In fact, that sounds more like they're planning another series. *cough* Halo 4 *cough*

Not that there is anything wrong with that if done correctly. Halo 4 looks awesome for a number of reasons including story aspects.

thats because I heard Mass Effect's Narrative Director joined Halo 4 after he left Bioware after ME2

Wait are you serious?

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