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[spotlessvoid]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Ok, let's tacle this from another end. 

What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect? 
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect 2?
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass effect 3? 

And i mean things that happen only to Shepard personally. 

Stop the Reapers

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I understand that Banshee

But Dems Tali example then doesn't fit at all. Either Shepard is the player avatar and drives the story, or he isn't. He can't be some bystander mook watching it all happen. It's freaking Shepard. What, he gets demoted?

 I'm Lieutenant Shepard, and this is my - Wait... what?

[spotlessvoid]

And give me a better example than Shep wakes up then other things happen

[byne]

Halfway to the page we got shut down on last time!

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

blog.bioware.com/2012/09/18/from-aaryn-flynn/ there is your link 

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas.

That only says they're making another game, not that they're only making one more game. In fact, that sounds more like they're planning another series. *cough* Halo 4 *cough*

Not that there is anything wrong with that if done correctly. Halo 4 looks awesome for a number of reasons including story aspects.

thats because I heard Mass Effect's Narrative Director joined Halo 4 after he left Bioware after ME2

Wait are you serious?

ATTENTION EVERYONE: Back up requested in sector BSN-14305937

yep, I heard Armando Troisi is now working with Halo 4

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

Halfway to the page we got shut down on last time!

I swear if it's like August 2014 and we're on Mark 14 I'm gonna jump lol

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Exactly the same as the Tali example he gave above. Tali's story arc ends on Rannoch, whether she lives or dies. She continues to exist as a character, but nothing important revolving around Tali happens after that point.

Similarly, Shepard could be the playable character in ME4, even if ME4 isn't "Shepard's Story". Shepard's story ends at the breath scene, having beaten indoctrination.

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Think of it this way:

What is Shepard in the Genophage arc? The catalyst that makes the cure possible. Even though his actions make the cure possible, he isn't directly involved in that arc. It's Wrex and Mordin's story, as well as the Krogan's, and to a lesser extent, the Salarian and Turians. No matter what happens, Wrex, Mordin, and the Krogan's story ends here.

What is Shepard in the Geth/Quarian conflict? The catalyst for peace. Even though his actions make peace possible, he isn't directly involved in that arc. It's Legion and Tali's story, as well as their repective races. No matter what happens, Legion, Tali, and their races' story ends here.

What is Shepard in the war against the Reapers? The catalyst of galactic unity. He convinces them to all put aside their differences, and to embrace them, to fight as one. He did the same on a smaller scale with his crew in ME1 and 2. This story isn't over yet. 

Shepard makes all of these things possible, but they're not about Shepard himself, as a person.

Shepard's personal story is about fighting the Reapers, mostly mentally through indoctrination. This story ends at the breath scene. Shepard's journey is over, even if he's still involved in the overall plot.

The other cycles failed because they couldn't find the Catalyst; the one thing needed to defeat the Reapers. The Crucible may or may not be a trap, and may or may not work; it's irrelevant.

The Crucible is the Red Herring. Shepard is the key to victory; Shepard is the Catalyst.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:12 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Halfway to the page we got shut down on last time!

Thanks Byne, I forgot to mention that. It was me who did it too. Me and Estebanus closed the 2 threads. Who will be next? I feel bad that Estebanusister is leaving...

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I understand that Banshee

But Dems Tali example then doesn't fit at all. Either Shepard is the player avatar and drives the story, or he isn't. He can't be some bystander mook watching it all happen. It's freaking Shepard. What, he gets demoted?

In all of the ME games there are quest that revolve around other people and shepard just comes out of the blue and says - what do you need? Oh you need this chick killed? or you don't know what to do with your child? Here - do this. And I'll kill that crazy mafia chick. - You do all that, but it does not affect you at all - cause those stories are not about you- you just happen to be in them and play a crucial part to them. But they are not about you. 

[Home run MF]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Ok, let's tacle this from another end. 

What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect? 
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass Effect 2?
What is Shepard's personal story in Mass effect 3? 

And i mean things that happen only to Shepard personally. 

Revelation, conviction and redemption  

[spotlessvoid]

Blur...

I think that it's all Shepards story

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok Dem,

Give me an example of how Shepard can be the playable character in ME4 and have no personal story arc

Exactly the same as the Tali example he gave above. Tali's story arc ends on Rannoch, whether she lives or dies. She continues to exist as a character, but nothing important revolving around Tali happens after that point.

Similarly, Shepard could be the playable character in ME4, even if ME4 isn't "Shepard's Story". Shepard's story ends at the breath scene, having beaten indoctrination.

Blur....Shep can't be the player avatar AND have nothing important revolving around him happen. I.m not spending a game providing cover fire or waiting in the engine room lol

Think of it this way:

What is Shepard in the Genophage arc? The catalyst that makes the cure possible. Even though his actions make the cure possible, he isn't directly involved in that arc. It's Wrex and Mordin's story, as well as the Krogan's, and to a lesser extent, the Salarian and Turians. No matter what happens, Wrex, Mordin, and the Krogan's story ends here.

What is Shepard in the Geth/Quarian conflict? The catalyst for peace. Even though his actions make peace possible, he isn't directly involved in that arc. It's Legion and Tali's story, as well as their repective races. No matter what happens, Legion, Tali, and their races' story ends here.

What is Shepard in the war against the Reapers? The catalyst of galactic unity. He convinces them to all put aside their differences, and to embrace them, to fight as one. He did the same on a smaller scale with his crew in ME1 and 2. This story isn't over yet. 

Shepard makes all of these things possible, but they're not about Shepard himself, as a person.

Shepard's personal story is about fighting the Reapers, mostly mentally through indoctrination. This story ends at the breath scene. Shepard's journey is over, even if he's still involved in the overall plot.

The other cycles failed because they couldn't find the Catalyst the one thing needed to defeat the Reapers. The Crucilbe may or may not be a trap, and may or may not work; it's irrelevant.

The Crucible is the Red Herring. Shepard is the key to victory; Shepard is the Catalyst.

Very nice! Also goes back to how so many people thought (still think) that Shepard is the catalyst! It makes perfect sense, right down to a catalyst not being affected by a reaction. Shepard doesn't die!

Edit: HOLY CRAP! YOU FIGURED IT OUT! They couldn't find the catalyst because the catalyst is someone like Shepard! WHOA!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[spotlessvoid]

Ok then Dem by your logic if story arc means meaningful plot impact then how can Shepards story arc be over yet he's still the playable character in me4?

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ok then Dem by your logic if story arc means meaningful plot impact then how can Shepards story arc be over yet he's still the playable character in me4?

Look up ^

Also, by story arc I mean meaningful character development.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:18 .

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Stop the Reapers

No. Stop the reapers is the overall plot. 

In ME1 Shepard Is under consideration for being the firts human spectre. While on his evaluation mission he runs into rogue spectre Saren, who kills Shepard's evaluator, and get's exposed to a prothean beacon which gives him blurry a vision of monstreous race of machines called reapers coming and killing everyone in the galaxy. despite much comlications, shepards gets his spectre status as a result of a political compaign. and since hi kind of forgo his evaluation he's given a task to track Saren down, so he can prove himself worthy of being a spectre. To help him succede in this task, Udina uses his political influence and gives Shepard a command of the Normandy whcih is taken from Anderson. 
Now, having given everything but not actually earning it, shepard really has to go chase against Saren, and he does that - His quest brings him to various planet's on one of which he finds DR Liara Tsoni - an asariu archeologyst who can help him making the vision he got from the beacon clearer. On another planet he pick's out the thing caled cypher. But then on a mission to virmire he has to leave one of his men to die. - this decision affects shepard.

then shepard can chose whether or not he cares about approval of the council (that is about shepard - it has no relevance to the overall plot of stoping the reapers)

Then when finds what exactly is Saren's plan and where to find him - he is stopped, and his ship is taken away, and he is ordered to stand down.  He chooses not to obey this order, with the help of Captain anderson steal the ship, (the crew of which pronounces it's loyalty to their new captain) and follows Saren. That leads to the battle of citadel, after which shepard is accepted by the whole galaxy as hero - I.E. he's proved himself.  

That is shepard's sotry in ME1 No let's continue with ME2

 

[spotlessvoid]

My point blur is that Shep can't be the playable character in me4 and not have some overarching conflict he must battle. His story cannot be over while he's still the primary character in the story...that's not game material

[AresKeith]

Home run MF wrote...

 Revelation, conviction and redemption  

off topic but love your avatar lol

[BansheeOwnage]

Repeat! Requesting reinforcements in sector BSN-14305011! Not sure how much longer I can hold out on my own!

[Home run MF]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Very nice! Also goes back to how so many people thought (still think) that Shepard is the catalyst! It makes perfect sense, right down to a catalyst not being affected by a reaction. Shepard doesn't die!

Edit: HOLY CRAP! YOU FIGURED IT OUT! They couldn't find the catalyst because the catalyst is someone like Shepard! WHOA!

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

My point blur is that Shep can't be the playable character in me4 and not have some overarching conflict he must battle. His story cannot be over while he's still the primary character in the story...that's not game material

Yes, leading everyone to defeat the Reapers. Helping more people with their problems. Those are situations in which Shepard is the catalyst. Shepard is never, and was never going to defeat the Reapers personally, he just makes it possible. Shepard is the catalyst for pretty much everything.

Defeating the Reapers isn't Shepard's story, it's the galaxy's.

[spotlessvoid]

So, to reiterate....If Shepard is the playable character in me4 then there's still more to his story, therefore his story can't be over. If the playable character cant fail in some vital conflict, then that's idiotic and boring. If he can fail then that has a huge impact on his story.

[BansheeOwnage]

AresKeith wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

 Revelation, conviction and redemption  

off topic but love your avatar lol

You should see her Origin name!

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, to reiterate....If Shepard is the playable character in me4 then there's still more to his story, therefore his story can't be over. If the playable character cant fail in some vital conflict, then that's idiotic and boring. If he can fail then that has a huge impact on his story.

1 specific story, in this case Shepard's personal crisis, will be over. Now we can have another story about Shepard!

[spotlessvoid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

My point blur is that Shep can't be the playable character in me4 and not have some overarching conflict he must battle. His story cannot be over while he's still the primary character in the story...that's not game material

Yes, leading everyone to defeat the Reapers. Helping more people with their problems. Those are situations in which Shepard is the catalyst. Shepard is never, and was never going to defeat the Reapers personally, he just makes it possible. Shepard is the catalyst for pretty much everything.

Defeating the Reapers isn't Shepard's story, it's the galaxy's.

yet Shepard is the one who saves the galaxy's ass from annihilation in me1 and 3

[spotlessvoid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, to reiterate....If Shepard is the playable character in me4 then there's still more to his story, therefore his story can't be over. If the playable character cant fail in some vital conflict, then that's idiotic and boring. If he can fail then that has a huge impact on his story.

1 specific story, in this case Shepard's personal crisis, will be over. Now we can have another story about Shepard!

which brings us full circle to me3 not being the end of commander shepards story. it's the end of one chapter in it