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[spotlessvoid]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

How exactly did we defeat the Reapers again?

Because of Shepard, but that's my point! He's the catalyst for everything.

So that gets handwaved in ME4 w/Shep?

So Sheo brcomes the ultimate catalyst. Then what? The Reapers are still out thete in IT

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

@AresKeith it's TevosisHot 

So awesome!

[Home run MF]

Just one thing I wanna point out, if they planned IT it makes sense to deny Shepard in ME4, otherwise they would be invalidating all the other endings.

[spotlessvoid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

" . That just leaves one unresolved aspect of the story arc unresolved... Defeating the reapers."

Yeah thats my point, the story isn't over and if Shepard is the playable character in me4 then by default his story isn't over

Defeating the Reapers isn't Shepard's story, he's simply involved in it.

Well that's really twisting what Mike said to mean something different then how 99.99% of people would understand that. Which would mean it isn't true. Which means I stand by my original post.

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" . That just leaves one unresolved aspect of the story arc unresolved... Defeating the reapers."

Yeah thats my point, the story isn't over and if Shepard is the playable character in me4 then by default his story isn't over

The story arc for defeating the reapers has not been resolved. Shepards personal story arc is resolved. His story arc is resolved when he beats indocrination. He will still be playable, but as a charecter, Shepard will not go under any more changes.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

then.my original post that started this is right so what exactly are you arguing? 

Don't know... That fact that ME3 can be the end of Shepard's story, while ME4 still featuring him as a main character? 

HOW? What is he going to be doing in ME4?

It will be something like this  - you buy and install the ME4 game - run it - it preposes to import a ME3 save file - you do that - and the game starts and you're playing as Shepard.

Why else would they tell us to hold onto our saves?

@Blur you're right. Samara.

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

Just one thing I wanna point out, if they planned IT it makes sense to deny Shepard in ME4, otherwise they would be invalidating all the other endings.

Very true. Saying Shepard would or may be in ME4 would almost confirm IT.

Going to go eat dinner, see you all later. Good luck! Though, to be honest I should go here less until I'm done my video.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

How exactly did we defeat the Reapers again?

Because of Shepard, but that's my point! He's the catalyst for everything.

So that gets handwaved in ME4 w/Shep?

So Sheo brcomes the ultimate catalyst. Then what? The Reapers are still out thete in IT

Breaking indoc is the turn of the tide, from then on, we start winning against the Reapers. ME4 will be about killing every last Reaper in the Milky Way. And it will be because of Shepard.


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Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:55 .

[spotlessvoid]

Home run MF wrote...

Just one thing I wanna point out, if they planned IT it makes sense to deny Shepard in ME4, otherwise they would be invalidating all the other endings.

That they aren't being truthful about either IT or Shepard in Me4 is my whole point.

mass effect central conflict is the Reapers.that's most definitely part of Sheps story. In fact, unlike all the other examples Blur gives, Sheps catalyst arc doesn't exist without that central conflict. Shep isn't fighting to become the catalyst. He's fighting to destroy the Reapers. The catalyst is how he does that.

Reapets still exist = Shepard hasn't accomplished his mission. Story not over

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Just one thing I wanna point out, if they planned IT it makes sense to deny Shepard in ME4, otherwise they would be invalidating all the other endings.

That they aren't being truthful about either IT or Shepard in Me4 is my whole point.

mass effect central conflict is the Reapers.that's most definitely part of Sheps story. In fact, unlike all the other examples Blur gives, Sheps catalyst arc doesn't exist without that central conflict. Shep isn't fighting to become the catalyst. He's fighting to destroy the Reapers. The catalyst is how he does that.

Reapets still exist = Shepard hasn't accomplished his mission. Story not over

It's not about the mission, it's about Shepard's inner struggles.

[spotlessvoid]

I'd say they are one and the same Banshee...just two different fronts

[masster blaster]

So what do you think about my thread guys. Also Banshee sorry for the way they acted.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Just one thing I wanna point out, if they planned IT it makes sense to deny Shepard in ME4, otherwise they would be invalidating all the other endings.

That they aren't being truthful about either IT or Shepard in Me4 is my whole point.

mass effect central conflict is the Reapers.that's most definitely part of Sheps story. In fact, unlike all the other examples Blur gives, Sheps catalyst arc doesn't exist without that central conflict. Shep isn't fighting to become the catalyst. He's fighting to destroy the Reapers. The catalyst is how he does that.

Reapets still exist = Shepard hasn't accomplished his mission. Story not over

No, it's literally the exact same as the Geth/Quarian peace. Shep causes the peace. Shep causes the defeat of the Reapers.

Shepard's the guy that breaches the door and thus allows his team to kill the bad guys inside. Without him, it couldn't happen, but he's not the one that does it.

[D.Sharrah]

Guys/Gals...the last few pages has been all semantics...you are all really saying the same thing - just from different points of view...which is a good thing. It is how this community has developed one of the most thought out theories I have ever been a part of...so let's get back to picking the game apart rather than each other.

[Fingertrip]

No more DLC tied to further expand the ending is CONFIRMED

ME4 CAN NOT BE after the Extended Cut anymore. The story was concludded, and it would be EXTREMELY awkard for anyone who haven't played ME.

Please, it's okay.... just live with the ending. It's beautiful- there's no abominations with synthesis, and control doesn't make him into a slave. :-)

[spotlessvoid]

But the Reapers aren't yet defeated blur. And if you're playing as Shep in ME4 then what, spend the game getting mission reports? If Shep is the avatar in me4 then he's still got some doors to kick down. I disagree that can coincide with "the end of commander Shepards story"

Clearly we disagree and aren't making any progress, so let's call it friendly quits.

[BleedingUranium]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Guys/Gals...the last few pages has been all semantics...you are all really saying the same thing - just from different points of view...which is a good thing. It is how this community has developed one of the most thought out theories I have ever been a part of...so let's get back to picking the game apart rather than each other.

Don't worry, Spotless is awesome. We're just disagreeing about something

[401 Kill]

Fingertrip wrote...

No more DLC tied to further expand the ending is CONFIRMED

ME4 CAN NOT BE after the Extended Cut anymore. The story was concludded, and it would be EXTREMELY awkard for anyone who haven't played ME.

Please, it's okay.... just live with the ending. It's beautiful- there's no abominations with synthesis, and control doesn't make him into a slave. :-)

Please it's okay... we don't need you here, we are busy discussing how ME4 will be implemented. If you are trying to get us to stop your attempt is in vain. Sorry!:innocent:

[spotlessvoid]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Guys/Gals...the last few pages has been all semantics...you are all really saying the same thing - just from different points of view...which is a good thing. It is how this community has developed one of the most thought out theories I have ever been a part of...so let's get back to picking the game apart rather than each other.

Not tearing down. In fact it's because it's Blur and Bansher e that I'm not getting angry. Too much respect for the wonder twins to let it get heated


edit: who the heck is bansher lol

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 01 octobre 2012 - 02:18 .

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Guys/Gals...the last few pages has been all semantics...you are all really saying the same thing - just from different points of view...which is a good thing. It is how this community has developed one of the most thought out theories I have ever been a part of...so let's get back to picking the game apart rather than each other.

Not tearing down. In fact it's because it's Blur and Bansher that I'm not getting angry. Too much respect for the wonder twins to let it get heated

It's just... A friendly debate:D.

[demersel]

Ok! fact searching time! The topic today - the shape of the reapers!

We know for a fact that reapers have very different forms and shapes - Arrival proves it, and the image of the reaper that Kai leng gives the illusive man proves it. Yet we have only seen the basic shape of the repaers - exactly like the sovereign - And we have not yet really have time to see what's harbinger looks like exactly. How come?

What exactly are those reaper destroyer things?
How come everyreaper we meet looks exactly the same, though we know for a fact that they can look vastly different? Hell, the Human-reaper did not look like cattlefish (i kno that it can be just the inside thing with the cattlefish shape-suit around it, but still?)

What if those huge template cattlefish reapers - that we actually get to kill - are not really true reapers - but are instead just husks made of leviathans? And there is only one true reaper made of them and it is harbinger? The other true reapers made out of the dominant spicies in each cycle we have yet to meet and kill, and we really have no idea what they can be like!

[TJBartlemus]

Sup guys...what have I missed in the last 24 hours? Don't really feel like reading through 20 pages.

Ps. Banshee, sent a friend request this morning before work. Got to say that the new Earth maps (haven't played Rio yet) are quite good. Still have yet to try any of the new classes, guns or platinum yet. Sorta sad really. Had to play Bronze just to get my skills back up to speed...

[D.Sharrah]

This conversation did get me thinking about the games a little bit...does anyone think that there is anything more to the "default" choices of ME 2 and ME 3, in terms of their relationship to/impact on IT?

[D.Sharrah]

Just trying to make sure that things stay cool in here...it really is my haven on BSN.

[401 Kill]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sup guys...what have I missed in the last 24 hours? Don't really feel like reading through 20 pages.

Ps. Banshee, sent a friend request this morning before work. Got to say that the new Earth maps (haven't played Rio yet) are quite good. Still have yet to try any of the new classes, guns or platinum yet. Sorta sad really. Had to play Bronze just to get my skills back up to speed...

We just had a massive debate about how Shepard could still be the main charecter even with his story arc ending.