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[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Maybe thanks to the Cipher?

I know that's how they explain it in-game, it just seems like a New Powers as the Plot Requires moment.  I mean, I guess it makes sense, but I don't remember them saying anything about that in ME1.

Edit: Woot, top! 

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:52 .

[masster blaster]

Well there are four times in ME where Shepard touches the the beacon.

Eden Prime

Virmire

Some planet in ME2

And Thessia

Now what's funny about this beacone on Thessia is that it has a VI in it, and not visions of anything.

When ever you find a a Prothean artifact, something always happence. You either see things, or you look at the data pads people left, and see what the artifact did/does.

[plfranke]

I'm willing to bet that at some point there's going to be a dlc where we learn more about the creator of Vendetta. There is no reason why they would mention him by name if they didn't plan to go somewhere with it, I feel.

I wonder, if the creator of Vendetta turned out to be indoctrinated, would literalists still deny the indoctrination theory?

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

Well there are four times in ME where Shepard touches the the beacon.

Eden Prime

Virmire

Some planet in ME2

And Thessia

Now what's funny about this beacone on Thessia is that it has a VI in it, and not visions of anything.

When ever you find a a Prothean artifact, something always happence. You either see things, or you look at the data pads people left, and see what the artifact did/does.

You know, you've got a point here.  This is the first Prothean Beacon without some kind of vision.  Weird.  Not sure if it means anything, but...  

[Dwailing]

plfranke wrote...

I'm willing to bet that at some point there's going to be a dlc where we learn more about the creator of Vendetta. There is no reason why they would mention him by name if they didn't plan to go somewhere with it, I feel.

I wonder, if the creator of Vendetta turned out to be indoctrinated, would literalists still deny the indoctrination theory?

Wow, that would be a cool plot twist.  But I get the feeling it wouldn't stop Literalists from denying the IT.  NOTHING, not even CONFIRMATION, would be enough to convince some of them that IT is what BW intended. 

[masster blaster]

Actualy I think what I want to know is how did TIM know Shepard was going to Thessia. I mean sure their are Cerberus agents, but he knew about it before Shepard knew about it. Think about it how long have those scientics have been dead?

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

Wow, that would be a cool plot twist.  But I get the feeling it wouldn't stop Literalists from denying the IT.  NOTHING, not even CONFIRMATION, would be enough to convince some of them that IT is what BW intended. 

Oh I hear you. I can already picture all the cries of "They only did it to please some whiny fanfic writers, it was never planned despie all evidence to the contrary!"

[masster blaster]

Also when people realized TIM was Indoctrinated, how come they didn't ask about TIM wanting to Control the Reapers. Think about this what if TIM's plan to find a way to Control the Reapers was BS.

Think about it. They had to use the Reapers own signals against them because how else could they have done it. Also what if Sanctuary was a breeding ground for the Reapers army's. Think about it The Collector's had human husk along their side, but they were building their forces.

Also when you look at the timing when Horizion was attacked, it was to perfect. Right when Shepard goes to Sanctuary They find out that you can Control the Reapers ground forces, yet if the Reapers show up, then the Controld Reaper forces go crazy.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

Actualy I think what I want to know is how did TIM know Shepard was going to Thessia. I mean sure their are Cerberus agents, but he knew about it before Shepard knew about it. Think about it how long have those scientics have been dead?

Huh, that's... not a bad question.  I mean, I guess I got so used to them being two steps ahead that I didn't notice.  i'd assume that it's the mole that's mentioned during Sur'Kesh.  You know, the mole they mention as existing then COMPLETELY IGNORE.  Yeah, that mole. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:12 .

[masster blaster]

Also I like how almost EVERY LEADER IN THE Galaxy is at the final battle.

Primarc Victous, Wrex, or Wrex's brother, Admiral Tali, Hackett, Anderson, Major Kirrie, Major Coats, Shepard's old squad members, A few Quarian admirals, The Geth Primes,The last Batarien Leader,and more. And if the crucible is a trap, then what if the Reapers shut down the relay net work, so no body can escape, and we have to fight the Reapers right there.

Then that could be where Rio comes in. Maybe they were working on a mass accseloraor canon, and we have to equip it to the Crucible, and the Citadel.

[zioninzion]

This might have sounded cooler in my head or made more sense but...

This line from Kaiden really struck a chord with me  when he says "We're fighting giant machines from outside the galaxy. Should I be afraid of them or in awe of them? Anything so old, so intelligent.."

I think this line really supports IT in a theoretical way not as a "proof". The whole concept of having this Reaper threat in the ME series means that we are facing this very intelligent and indepth nemesis. Hence, the 'simple-not making any sense if literal' ending does not fit the enemy. There has got to be more to it, something more dark, something that demands more from us and a longer battle then space magic.

Every ME game the threat seems to evovle, become bigger and the relation between the Reapers and Shepard/MEU becomes deeper and more complex. I personally believe IT takes this threat and depth of relationship to a new level.

I would very much like to see IT be proven correct and to see the reaper threat evolve as the MEU evovles with the series.

P.S. I have not played Leviathan or other DLC so sorry if I said anything that has proven this wrong.

[drayfish]

masster blaster wrote...

Icon if you are on here, I have to say thanks. I waited for you to switch to your other side, and it went rather well. And I find it funny that nobody else that was an ITer even thought to ask what I was doing, except you.

Now I just have to go back to the old threads and find the things I need to back up those points. That is why I need Banshee. He archives the post that are very good, and I could really use those.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14305011/1

You were trawling for responses? 

You created a thread with the express intent of misleading people into responding negatively? 

Why didn't you just ask - reasonably - for people to offer honest feedback and critique rather than goading them?  You realise how that makes IT supporters look, right?



Unbelievable.

[plfranke]

drayfish wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Icon if you are on here, I have to say thanks. I waited for you to switch to your other side, and it went rather well. And I find it funny that nobody else that was an ITer even thought to ask what I was doing, except you.

Now I just have to go back to the old threads and find the things I need to back up those points. That is why I need Banshee. He archives the post that are very good, and I could really use those.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14305011/1

You were trawling for responses? 

You created a thread with the express intent of misleading people into responding negatively? 

Why didn't you just ask - reasonably - for people to offer honest feedback and critique rather than goading them?  You realise how that makes IT supporters look, right?



Unbelievable.

lol give masster a break, he's been consistently the nicest guy on this thread for a very long time. he's allowed one mess up.

[plfranke]

so I'm examining the rannoch reaper conversation. does anyone find it interesting that tali, no matter what conversation option is picked, always walks in on "we are your salvation"? Another interesting tidbit is the paragon choice in this convo talks about destroy, the middle synthesis, and the renegade control. However, there is only one choice that actually kills the Reaper... Renegade

[RavenEyry]

plfranke wrote...

lol give masster a break, he's been consistently the nicest guy on this thread for a very long time. he's allowed one mess up.

Though I hold no ill will towards him he is rather over zelous and that wasn't the first crazy idea he's had.

[Jusseb]

Looking at this thread, we need Omega fast.

We need new speculation and motivation.

Let's hope they give us an release date asap.

[plfranke]

And one more thing. The Reaper on Rannoch tells you in the renegade option, "You have no choice". The exact opposite of what the Catalyst tells you at the end no matter what your ems score is.

[KyreneZA]

RavenEyry wrote...

The fact that Leng got to vendetta first then left only to arrive again at an inconvenient moment is what makes me so suspicious of vendetta. In fact, cerberus agents beat you to every source of crucible info.

Well if Vendetta and/or the Crucible is known to the Reapers, and Cerberus as a whole is acting as an agency for the Reapers (through TIM's indoctrination), they could very well be pointed to certain sites by the Reapers: getting there before Shepard can.

masster blaster wrote...

Actualy I think what I want to know is how did TIM know Shepard was going to Thessia. I mean sure their are Cerberus agents, but he knew about it before Shepard knew about it. Think about it how long have those scientics have been dead?

Or Leng was just in a holding pattern somewhere on Thessia, having already gotten to Vendetta, then simply waited for Shepard/Normandy to show up in order to try and stop him/her.

Not a convinced fan of IT myself (and some of the hubris in the thread makes my hair stand on end at times), but I do find it fascinating reading at times.

[plfranke]

You know I brought up this point a long time ago in the thread, about the timing being all wrong about the archives and Thessia. If TIM knew all along about the beacon, why did he wait so long, even after the coup to go for it? Was he honestly waiting for Shepard to go and timed it perfectly? Come on now.

[KyreneZA]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Had to laugh at a couple of these...

http://stacieponder.com/page/3/

Plus something that may be relevant to now from the original thread. Remember those bodies in Rio? Well: 




(From Arrival before you confront Kenson)

http://social.biowar...dex/9727423/416

Not Harbinger because of the middle leg, but still interesting

Also, I seem to recall the dead female Krogan during Mordin's loyalty mission having a "3" on her bodybag. I'm not convinced this is any form of foreshadowing...

[paxxton]

Jusseb wrote...

Looking at this thread, we need Omega fast.

We need new speculation and motivation.

Let's hope they give us an release date asap.

We need Choose Wisely Ep.2 this Thursday!

[RavenEyry]

Blimey, it wasn't that good, you don't have to mention it every day.

[TSA_383]

Jusseb wrote...

Looking at this thread, we need Omega fast.

We need new speculation and motivation.

Let's hope they give us an release date asap.

If I had to guess, I'd say later this week for an announcement.

plfranke wrote...

so I'm examining the rannoch reaper conversation. does anyone find it interesting that tali, no matter what conversation option is picked, always walks in on "we are your salvation"? Another interesting tidbit is the paragon choice in this convo talks about destroy, the middle synthesis, and the renegade control. However, there is only one choice that actually kills the Reaper... Renegade

That alone is interesting...

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Blimey, it wasn't that good, you don't have to mention it every day.

Heh. I think it was a bit similar in form to ACAVYOS' video which is a great PLUS. I liked it.

[Bill Casey]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actualy I think what I want to know is how did TIM know Shepard was going to Thessia. I mean sure their are Cerberus agents, but he knew about it before Shepard knew about it. Think about it how long have those scientics have been dead?

Huh, that's... not a bad question.  I mean, I guess I got so used to them being two steps ahead that I didn't notice.  i'd assume that it's the mole that's mentioned during Sur'Kesh.  You know, the mole they mention as existing then COMPLETELY IGNORE.  Yeah, that mole. 

(On Thessia)

Illusive Man: Shepard.

Shepard: How did you find this place?

Illusive Man: The Archives. Or did your Shadow Broker miss that one?

Liara: Show yourself. I promise I won't miss.



Also, the Sur'Kesh mole is in STG.


Salarian 1: There was some outbound comm traffic twenty minutes ago from inside the base.

Salarian 2: And?

Salarian 1: A burst transmission, fully encoded, with no identity signature.

Salarian 2: No signature? That's against protocol.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:35 .