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[RavenEyry]

Bill Casey has solved the great mole mystery! Though I doubt it's the first time someones mentioned it, it's just the word doesn't seem to have spread.

[Bill Casey]

I've mentioned it before...

[paxxton]

Mordin is the mole. He even admits it to Shepard.

[paxxton]

Liara is a double-agent!

[masster blaster]

So Liara is the mole. I have thought about that for sometime know, but it could be glyph.

[AresKeith]

Liara couldn't be a mole, because TIM had the Shadow Broker base bugged

[RavenEyry]

Bill Casey put a very good reason the mole could be a random STG bloke on only the last page and you come to the conclusion it's Liara?!?

[masster blaster]

Do you think Kirria could be the mole. He was on Virmire after all, and his trasmition was not clear. Or it could be some random STG member. The postibilitys are endless. Or glyph hacked their system, and told Cerberus about

[Samtheman63]

masster blaster wrote...

Do you think Kirria could be the mole. He was on Virmire after all, and his trasmition was not clear. Or it could be some random STG member. The postibilitys are endless. Or glyph hacked their system, and told Cerberus about

what if hes dead?

[masster blaster]

Raven I was only saying Liara because Paxxton said it. Also I said glyph after words, but hey anything is possible.

[Big_Boss9]

OT: Huge patch inbound for Thursday. Some great fixes (if they indeed work).

http://social.biowar.../index/14311106

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Do you think Kirria could be the mole. He was on Virmire after all, and his trasmition was not clear. Or it could be some random STG member. The postibilitys are endless. Or glyph hacked their system, and told Cerberus about

First you say Liara is the mole, then you try to besmirch Kirrahe?

How dare you, my good sir.

[masster blaster]

Then the other guy that replaces Kirria that you can talk to is. I don't know I am just trying to pin point the mole.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Then the other guy that replaces Kirria that you can talk to is. I don't know I am just trying to pin point the mole.

Why would Kirrahe be the mole? Kirrahe says that no matter what the dalatrass says, you have his support, so he's not likely to betray you.

The other guy is kind of a jerk and doesnt want the krogan brought back so he's a better candidate.

[masster blaster]

Look byne I was just pointing out the people that could be suspects. Though what Bill quoted about Thessia get's you to think, why didn't Liara tell us this, but then you think, wait glyph is the one that does most of the work.

Also Javik " Every war has it traitors."

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Look byne I was just pointing out the people that could be suspects. Though what Bill quoted about Thessia get's you to think, why didn't Liara tell us this, but then you think, wait glyph is the one that does most of the work.

Also Javik " Every war has it traitors."

In all likelihood the mole is probably someone we never even met.

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Look byne I was just pointing out the people that could be suspects. Though what Bill quoted about Thessia get's you to think, why didn't Liara tell us this, but then you think, wait glyph is the one that does most of the work.

Also Javik " Every war has it traitors."

In all likelihood the mole is probably someone we never even met.

Conrad

[Davik Kang]

If Liara was a mole... holy ****, imagine the fan backlash to that!!!!!!!

Also, something I was wondering... have any of you considered that the Citadel scene might be real, but TIM and Anderson are hallucinations? Something I just thought of. Can go into more detail if necessary.

[RavenEyry]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

OT: Huge patch inbound for Thursday. Some great fixes (if they indeed work).

http://social.biowar.../index/14311106

And they still haven't 'fixed' things like the ghost trees and such which were totally oversights and not hints towards any kind of unreality.

[RavenEyry]

Davik Kang wrote...

Also, something I was wondering... have any of you considered that the Citadel scene might be real, but TIM and Anderson are hallucinations? Something I just thought of. Can go into more detail if necessary.

Yes and no. There's so many more things wrong with the citadel than those two.

[smokingotter1]

drayfish wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Icon if you are on here, I have to say thanks. I waited for you to switch to your other side, and it went rather well. And I find it funny that nobody else that was an ITer even thought to ask what I was doing, except you.

Now I just have to go back to the old threads and find the things I need to back up those points. That is why I need Banshee. He archives the post that are very good, and I could really use those.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14305011/1

You were trawling for responses? 

You created a thread with the express intent of misleading people into responding negatively? 

Why didn't you just ask - reasonably - for people to offer honest feedback and critique rather than goading them?  You realise how that makes IT supporters look, right?



Unbelievable.

@drayfish hey nice to see ya!

[smokingotter1]

RavenEyry wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Also, something I was wondering... have any of you considered that the Citadel scene might be real, but TIM and Anderson are hallucinations? Something I just thought of. Can go into more detail if necessary.

Yes and no. There's so many more things wrong with the citadel than those two.

There seems to be IMO transitions between:
1. dream
2. dream with real life concequences in Shepard's brain (think the Geth consensus mission, except instead of being in a virtual world inside the Geth's mind you are now in Shepard's brain)
3. dream-lite with reality seeping in

respectively
1. entering the conduit
2. citadel and confronting TIM/Anderson
3. decision chamber and meeting starkid

The fact that the decision chamber looks like the conduit run leads me to logically conclude that Shepard doesn't actually make it to the citadel..... or the only way to make it is to choose synthesis.

Since the reapers are already indoctrinating Shepard it would make sense that the only way Harbinger would let Shepard anywhere near the "destroy all reapers" device would be if he submitted to the reaper ideology.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:45 .

[Restrider]

spotlessvoid wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Look byne I was just pointing out the people that could be suspects. Though what Bill quoted about Thessia get's you to think, why didn't Liara tell us this, but then you think, wait glyph is the one that does most of the work.

Also Javik " Every war has it traitors."

In all likelihood the mole is probably someone we never even met.

Conrad

Conrad Verner has been assumed to be the Shadow Broker before LotSB was released. Though I never would've thought that he has a doctorate in exotic energy physics.
So, who knows what Conrad's plans really are.

Modifié par Restrider, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:37 .

[Restrider]

liggy002 wrote...


Because the
Catalyst knows that Shepard and his friends want to destroy the
Reapers.  If he only presented Control as an option, then Shepard would
never choose Control.  It would be highly suspect.  It is a very
elaborately designed trap.  Or, quite possibly for some other reason.

HYR 2.0 wrote...

That's
exactly why it's ridiculous. They choose not to make their trap
fool-proof (you know, like an actual trap) and give themself a 100% of
success over some stupid/uncalculated gamble.

This is from an
enemy that used the Citadel as a trap at the start of every cycle even
though they cannot be beaten conventionally - to make the odds even more
lopsided in their favor.


This is also a gaping hole in Indoctrination Theory's explanation of the ending.

Link.
And that, little children, is what happens if you mix up IT Dream with Deception Theory (formerly known as IT Con).

[Davik Kang]

smokingotter1 wrote...
There seems to be IMO transitions between:
1. dream
2. dream with real life concequences in Shepard's brain (think the Geth consensus mission, except instead of being in a virtual world inside the Geth's mind you are now in Shepard's brain)
3. dream-lite with reality seeping in

respectively
1. entering the conduit
2. citadel and confronting TIM/Anderson
3. decision chamber and meeting starkid

Yeah.  My current understanding has everything being real, or almost real, until the Decision Chamber, which I see as a near-total hallucination (but with genuine, corresponding actions - Shepard is not unconscious).

But what I meant was, has anyone in here, IT supporter or otherwise, ever been of the view that the Citadel section is actually happening, but that TIM and Anderson are severe hallucinations that appear to be talking?  Again, it's not exactly what I think, but it would kind of work in that

Anderson represents good conscience
TIM represents bad conscience
Shepard has internal conflict as to whether she really should destroy the Reapers, now that she can.

Good evidence for this is the gunshot wound - Shepard appears to be bleeding from her torso at the end, which is where she shot Anderson - and this could be construed as literally shooting herself, or more a metaphor for the inner turmoil making her even weaker.

Again, not actually what I think, but I wonder if anyone does think this, or has any thoughts?  Doesn't seem totally implausible to me.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:47 .